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Postby vkid » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:33 am

Hopefully the right decisions are made and they dont make the situation worse...but at least there is some movement on the boundary.
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Postby KeepAnEyeOnBob » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:39 pm

If the decisions are genuinely going to be an improvement, lets hope they are made while there is still time to attend to such matters before everyone is engrossed in more substantial political issues.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby massamann » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:39 am

Have to say, that even when this thread moves onto a different topic, the issue of What Are We To Build on the Boatshed? still gets stuck in my craw.

I just can't get away from the fact that we are handing over the highest profile site in the city to a private office development. Call me a pinko lefty socialist if you like, but to me an ugly public building is still better than an identically ugly private building.

The addition of a cafe or meeting room on the ground floor of an office block just doesn't cut it for me. It was mentioned in the thread before that wouldn't this be a fantastic location for the city library, if it has to leave the Granary. This has the added bonus of not requiring an overly large, overly dominant structure in the middle of the river.

Much as I try to look dispassionately at what is being proposed, I don't feel any excitement about it. And even if the designs were top drawer, Pritzker winning standard, well, short of getting a job for the tenant, I'm never going to get to see the inside of them. And I'm not sure that's what an "iconic structure" should aspire to be...
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Postby SuperCool » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:33 pm

Massamann.

You're entitled to you oppionion obviously, but to claim it's the "highest profile site" in the city is a joke.

Be honest here.
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Postby massamann » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:03 pm

I'd like to believe that my opinion isn't dishonest, it's just DIFFERENT FROM YOURS.

It's a site in the middle of the bridge that is the main crossing point of the Shannon into the city. From this bridge you can see the castle, the cathedral, curraghower falls, and along Sarsfield St into the commercial centre of town. There's a picture in my parents house of this very view. Short of knocking down the castle, I can't think of anywhere in the city that's undeniably higher profile. Although I'm happy to hear which are the alternatives that you think are more visible.

Having said all that, I'd still be in favour of building something here. It's just that my first choice wouldn't be privately owned offices. And it would have to be of a higher standard than this proposal. After all, it's not like we're stuck for either office space or development land. There is no imperative to building here.

And if this site isn't high profile, maybe you should mention that to the developer: it'd save him alot of money and hassle if his development relocated away from the river. But even though we may disagree on his proposal, both he and I seem to think that this site is worth having and therefore worth debating.

So what do you think? Do you think private offices on this site are a good idea?
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Postby Griff » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:12 pm

I think its fair to say the boat club site is the highest profile site in the city - certainly its location means that it can be seen from many different vantage points - along the quays/strands and from many offices and hotels. If the building is an eyesore - and that depends on individual opinion - then its going to be the most visible eyesore in Limerick. From my point of view Sarsfield bridge is possibly the best structure we have in the city and Im very unsure if what is being proposed will be a valuable addition...
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Postby Tuborg » Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:30 pm

An Bord Pleanala have upheld the City Councils decision to grant permission for a tensile roof and other associated works at the Milk Market.

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Milk Market okay by Bord Pleanala (Limerick Leader)

By Anne Sheridan

THE Milk Market is to open six days a week from early next year and will include a 120-sear restaurant and a translucent, tensile roof.
Permission was granted for the development by Limerick City Council last June, but it was appealed to An Bord Pleanala by one market trader and a local body, who opposed the plans.

Mayor of Limerick John Gilligan, a former chairperson of the Market Trustees and supporter of the plans, and said some objections were "politically motivated."

"All of these were dismissed by An Bord Pleanala, but some submissions were made by very genuine people," added the Mayor.

"I'm absolutely delighted it has received planning. This is going to be very big for the city and I look forward to the revamped market. It will give it an entire lease of life and the litmus test will be to see it running up at 6pm at night," said the Mayor.

David O'Mahony, chairman of Limerick Market Trustees, said it has been a long process from concept to design and planning.

"The time in the planning process has actually worked in our favour. The economic environment now is more conducive to realistic tendering," said Mr O'Mahony.

He said the market will establish itself as the "must visit location" and will provide a boost to the local economy.

Under the plans the market is to be partially covered, but a petition submitted to An Bord Pleanala maintained that the market should be kept as an open and saved from "becoming a shopping mall."
However, the board found that the "translucent structure" of the tensile roofing should ensure that the open market atmosphere is not lost.

An Bord Pleanala granted planning permission with 10 conditions attached, and have ordered that a proposed structure on Mungret Court shall be omitted.

Trader Marie Hussey, who operates the Green Acres Cheese Shop at the Milk Market, said she felt the application would "have major implications for the quality of the market environment and the economic viability of current traders."

The Thomond Archaeological and Historical Society stated the "whole proposal is unwanted by traders..and is totally unnecessary." The society also stated that they believe the proposed tensile roof is an "intrusive new structure" and would change the character of the market.

The board found that "the development would not seriously injure the amenities of the area or of property in the vicinity, would not conflict with the provisions of the Limerick City Development Plan, would be acceptable in terms of traffic safety and convenience and would be in accordance with the proper planning and sustainable development of the area."

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Postby CologneMike » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:32 pm

€2m facelift for Limerick Milk Market (Irish Times)

KATHRYN HAYES (26.02.2009)

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A computer simulation of the proposed development at Limerick Milk Market

A MAJOR development for one of the country’s oldest market places is set to commence within weeks.

The transformation of Limerick Milk Market, which dates back to 1852, is an extensive project due to be completed by early next year.

This follows the decision by Limerick City Council, and An Bord Pleanála to grant permission for the project to the Limerick Market Trustees, a non-profit group responsible for running markets throughout the city and environs.

David O’Mahony, the chairman of Limerick Market Trustees, said the project will cost in excess of €2 million and would “move quickly to implementation, once the tendering process is complete”.

“Our plan is to build upon the phenomenal success of our open air Saturday Milk Market, transforming it into an even more vibrant, enlarged, week-long market venue, which will be weather-proofed and will attract more shoppers and visitors into the heart of Limerick city,” he said.

“In advancing our plans, we are conscious that we are the guardians of a unique and historic market which dates back to 1852. Our plan will fully protect the integrity of the market and will make it a landmark city attraction.”

The redeveloped market will provide opportunities for more small traders to showcase diverse and local produce, from fresh and fine foods through to horticultural produce, crafts and fashions, continued Mr O’Mahoney.

The transformation plan incorporates a structure covering the Milk Market courtyard, protecting visitors from the elements. A mezzanine floor, to extend from the existing Market House will accommodate a restaurant overlooking the market.

Beneath this will be a number of permanent trading outlets that will typically sell speciality foods and beverages, in keeping with the market’s ethos.

“The dynamic of a market, where the stallholders sell what they produce direct to shoppers, is very special. It creates a buzz, an energy and a business stimulant that is just brilliant, particularly within a city centre. Our plans are to facilitate this ‘buzz’ by providing a more perfect environment for both the stallholders and the shoppers. We will also be promoting the market as a venue for a range of special events, complementary to the market, to add to its overall appeal and to the contribution the market will make to the city,” said Mr O’Mahony.

In the coming weeks the market trustees will be detailing the opportunities the market presents for specialist retailers, producers and event organisers.

The development will form part of the Limerick Market Trustees overall strategy for increasing markets in the city. It is hoped it will complement the Riverside market, which runs on Sundays from April to October on Bedford Row in Limerick city centre.
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Postby lostexpectation » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:54 pm

canyou not split this thread up into parts, boathouse, university etc, its v.hard to follow

those visualisation make the building look tiny.
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Postby Tuborg » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:58 pm

The oral hearing into the proposed extension of the Crescent Shopping Centre got underway this week.


'City will decline if Crescent expands' (Limerick Leader)

John Hogan

LIMERICK City is "leaking" business and trade in the city centre could drop by up to 20 per cent if approval is granted for a major extension to the Crescent Shopping Centre, an oral hearing of An Bord Pleanala was told yesterday.
The hearing – which began yesterday morning – is being held to allow a number of different bodies to voice their opinions on the extension which would host a Marks & Spencer unit as its anchor tenant.

Limerick County Council refused planning permission for the development but the decision was appealed by the applicants, Stapleyside Company Limited, leading to the hearing.

Experts, speaking on behalf of Limerick City Council which has objected to the development, claimed yesterday that the extension would lead to the overall decline of the city centre. However, supporters of the plans said that their proposal satisfies the guidelines set down in the Mid-West Retail Strategy and could easily work in tandem with the development of business in the city.

Acting senior planner with Limerick City Council Kieran Reeves said due to retail decline, 25 per cent of dwellings in the city centre are now vacant, with 50 per cent of the Georgian buildings unoccupied.

"Limerick city centre should be the hub of economic activity in the region but suburban retail development has been growing twice as fast as that of the city," said Mr Reeves. "We have failed to retain the city's place among the retail hierarchy and there is a need to protect that as enshrined in the Mid-West Retail Strategy."

Mr Reeves added that no agreements have yet been signed for the proposed Opera Centre but that potential tenants would be "watching keenly" as proceedings got under way at the hearing in County Hall this week.

Planning consultant John Spain said that, if granted permission, the proposed development – combined with those in Coonagh Cross and Parkway Valley – would have a cumulative impact of at least 20 per cent on the comparison retail trade of the City Centre.

Commercial property specialist Patrick Seymour, speaking on behalf of the City Council, said that Limerick was the only city in the country where retail rents were more expensive in the suburbs – referring specifically to the Crescent Shopping Centre – than the city centre.

Consultant engineer Seamus McGearailt, speaking for the City Council, said there were "serious shortcomings" in the Transport Impact Assessment carried out for Stapleyside. He claimed that the development would compromise the Southern Green Bus Route and undermine the overall transport strategy for the city.

David O'Mahony, of O'Mahony's bookstore, spoke yesterday on behalf of the Limerick City Business Association, saying he had come to "plead for the city".

"I ask you. Walk the main streets of the city, walk the side streets and listen to the silence. Look at the vacant units, some of which haven't even seen tenants," said Mr O'Mahony.

"Nobody in their right minds could say the city is thriving. Customers are telling us that the city is leaking business. There's plenty of evidence of available sites in the city but the level of floor space being granted in the suburbs has demoted the city."

Each of the speakers against the development claimed that it contravened the Mid-West Retail Strategy, but Planning and Environmental consultant Chris McGarry, speaking on behalf of Stapleyside, argued otherwise. Mr McGarry claimed that, due to the large number of amenities in the area, Dooradoyle, had become a town centre and therefore was entitled to prioritise retail development in the area, as dictated in the Regional Strategy.

Jenny Mulholland, speaking on behalf of Marks & Spencer, reiterated that the retail giant gave its full support to the Stapleyside application, saying that the Crescent would best serve the store's needs. She did, however, also state that M&S still desires a second store in the city to complement the proposed one in Dooradoyle.

Mr McGarry added that Stapleyside representatives would continue to give presentations today addressing objectors' concerns, including those regarding the contentious issue of traffic management in the area.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby SuperCool » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:22 pm

massamann wrote:I'd like to believe that my opinion isn't dishonest, it's just DIFFERENT FROM YOURS.

It's a site in the middle of the bridge that is the main crossing point of the Shannon into the city. From this bridge you can see the castle, the cathedral, curraghower falls, and along Sarsfield St into the commercial centre of town. There's a picture in my parents house of this very view. Short of knocking down the castle, I can't think of anywhere in the city that's undeniably higher profile. Although I'm happy to hear which are the alternatives that you think are more visible.

Having said all that, I'd still be in favour of building something here. It's just that my first choice wouldn't be privately owned offices. And it would have to be of a higher standard than this proposal. After all, it's not like we're stuck for either office space or development land. There is no imperative to building here.

And if this site isn't high profile, maybe you should mention that to the developer: it'd save him alot of money and hassle if his development relocated away from the river. But even though we may disagree on his proposal, both he and I seem to think that this site is worth having and therefore worth debating.

So what do you think? Do you think private offices on this site are a good idea?



No massamann, you STATED YOUR OPPINION AS FACT!!!!! (see I can post in capital letters too, aren't I special:rolleyes:).

I think, hmmmmmm St Johns Cathederal, The Court House, Peoples Park, St Mary's Cathederal, the whole of the Crescent with the Georgian buildings, not to mention the small matter of the Castle you just mentioned.

By your logic the old Dunnes building is "the highest profile site" in the city, as it has everything you just mentioned and more, seeing as it's four times the size!

Also, I'll think you'll find that Shannon Bridge has a much larger traffic flow that Sarsfields bridge.
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Re: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?

Postby massamann » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:19 pm

Heya supercool,

Not only can you post in capitals, you can also use multiple exclamation marks - that makes you extra special in my book.

I admit that the buildings that you list - King Johns Castle, the Cathedral, the Crescent - are undeniably important, containing a sizable proportion of Limericks landmark buildings. But as sites (as potential practical locations for proposed new buildings), I don't believe that any of them rank higher than a site in the centre of the river in the centre of town. After all, I'm not aware of any proposals to knock the castle in order to build a block of apartments. And I'm not sure what you were expecting, but I agree that the old Dunnes site comes very close to being as high a profile, except that it is set back from the riverbank by a road rather than being in the centre of the river.

Surprisingly I also agree with your statement that Shannon bridge carries more traffic than Sarsfield bridge, but (to use your phrase) be honest here: is it really more important? Unless you're suggesting that Shannon bridge is more high profile than Sarsfield bridge simply because it gets more traffic? And if we follow that logic, then Shannon Bridge is more important than the castle, the courthouse, the crescent etc that you mentioned.

The site of the boat club can be seen from both Shannon Bridge AND the castle, the courthouse, the treaty stone, etc. which makes it pretty high profile to me. But enough of our petty squabble, I think we can both agree that as a site it is both (a) fairly high profile, and (b) subject to a live planning application. And therefore worth debating.
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Postby Griff » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:37 pm

Seemingly the courthouse is going to be moved to a 'site on Mulgrave St.'... and will be complete by 2011... so says Monday's L Leader. I assume this is the site on Costelloe's yard ?. This would be such a good move IMO - right next to the jail. Also frees up the existing courthouse for use as an Opera house/theater. Obvious really - just like bringing Limerick senior soccer back to the Markets field and ,,ahem..constructing the 'iconic' building planned for the Limerick boat club site on the Dunnes Sarsfield site instead...
ive been drinking too much coffee...
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Postby Tuborg » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:54 pm

A new budget hotel is to open in the vacant block of the parkpoint development off the Dublin road.

Seems a bit of a strange decision in the current climate and also the fact that the hotel market in Limerick is already pretty saturated!


New hotel to open in Limerick (Limerick Leader)

By Nick Rabbitts

LIMERICK city is to get yet another hotel- in another indication that one big chain believes the recession could be coming to an end.
It was confirmed this Thursday afternoon that budget hotel chain Travelodge is to open its second outlet in Limerick on the Dublin Road.

Travelodge Castletroy will open on June 1 as the anchor tenant in the multi-million euro Parkpoint building, opposite the Parkway Shopping Centre.

The hotel will employ 50 people, with many more jobs created in the fit out of the property.

Speaking to the Limerick Leader, Joe Hanrahan of Cracken Properties also revealed that two further tenants have been confirmed, which will bring the total workforce in the complex to beyond the 100 mark.

While Travelodge will open 100 rooms across four floors of the Parkpoint, a restaurant will open on the ground floor, while the National Cancer Screening Services of Ireland will open offices on the top two floors. It is estimated the Parkpoint will be 85 per cent occupied.

This week's announcement represents the second hotel the Travelodge will operate in the city – and apart from Dublin, Limerick will be the only city to have more than one branch of the budget chain.

The first Travelodge opened at the Coonagh roundabout in 2002 – it has 11 branches across Ireland.

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Postby CologneMike » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:58 pm

There is still some life in the commercial market despite the savage mauling of jobs in the city over the last few months! :)
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Postby CologneMike » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:58 pm

I hear that there appears to be very little or no activity across the road from the proposed Travel Lodge Hotel where the Parkway Valley Shopping Center is to be built. Is it been mothballed? Any body got up to date information?

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Postby Tuborg » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:38 pm

CologneMike wrote:I hear that there appears to be very little or no activity across the road from the proposed Travel Lodge Hotel where the Parkway Valley Shopping Center is to be built. Is it been mothballed? Any body got up to date information?

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There hasnt been a stir on that site for the last 6 months. The money has run out, and the banks arent lending so this development is going nowhere fast.

You really would have to question the future of this project. It was conceived in a time when we simply couldnt stop building shopping complexes irrespective it seemed of whether the demand actually existed in the first place. Of course it should also be mentioned that this is another development that was waved through by Limerick County Council.:rolleyes:

A whole host of potential anchor tenants were supposedly being linked with Parkway Valley but in reality it seems that they are having serious difficulty in getting retailers to sign up.

It looks like we could have a serious white elephant on our hands here!
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Postby Tuborg » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:04 am

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Addition of an office block to the previously approved Coonagh Cross Shopping Centre, Ennis Road (An Bord Pleanala reference PL13. 210562 Limerick County Council Ref 03/2050) as follows: Addition of a basement car park for 85 spaces, ground floor office plus 5 floor office building overhead to give a total gross floor area of circa 10,250m2. Plus a surface car parking for 55 spaces with associated lighting, access roads, underground services and landscaping. Total site area of the overall Coonagh Cross development is 16.45ha (40.64 acres).

Coonagh Cross Shopping Centre, Clondrinagh Clonconare, Ennis Road, Limerick.

Im guessing the developers are probably fairly pissed that they can get permission for this but not their retail extension!
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Postby Griff » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:26 pm

I like that Coonagh Cross office proposal - it hides the ugly Tesco SC behind it - it also reminds me a little of the office building at the front of the Raheen ind est - still mostly unoccupied after how many years ?
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Postby Dreamstate » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:46 pm

Griff wrote:I like that Coonagh Cross office proposal - it hides the ugly Tesco SC behind it - it also reminds me a little of the office building at the front of the Raheen ind est - still mostly unoccupied after how many years ?



Have to disagree Griff. I think its very poor
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Postby D-A-V-E » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:07 pm

iv noticed over the past few weeks that there are a few more cranes up by the parkway valley, are things moving on again? i counted around ten at peak construction then it was reduced to about 4 now theres about 7..
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Postby PoxyShamrock » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:15 pm

D-A-V-E wrote:iv noticed over the past few weeks that there are a few more cranes up by the parkway valley, are things moving on again? i counted around ten at peak construction then it was reduced to about 4 now theres about 7..


I don't ever remember 4?
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Postby Griff » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:46 am

There were 8 cranes - now there are 7, the site has been closed since the summer.
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Postby D-A-V-E » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:28 am

has that development off henry st stopped alltogether? it looks like nothing has been done for the past few weeks now! any pics of the refurbishment of the bank on the corner of bedford row and o'connell st?
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Postby PoxyShamrock » Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:01 pm

D-A-V-E wrote:has that development off henry st stopped alltogether? it looks like nothing has been done for the past few weeks now! any pics of the refurbishment of the bank on the corner of bedford row and o'connell st?


Yeah the work at the GPO has stopped.
Real shame.


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