gunter wrote:I know that Lubeck example didn't go down too well:rolleyes:, but here's an indisputably top-notch example of how to do this kind of thing from Nurnberg..
vitruvius wrote:The corner of Bank Place is like a portal or a gateway into Rutland, Patrick, O'Connell st.
As such, it is very, very important to the look and feel of Limerick as a Georgian city.
The second intervention takes out the (admittedly altered) five storey structure beside the old Town Hall and also engulfs the adjacent laneway. Again this seems to me to be an unecessarilly aggressive move when more subtle options appear to be available.
vitruvius wrote:It's not beyond the bounds of imagination to conserve these buildings AND to add infill behind.
It'd certainly make for a nice shopping experience (rather) than some glass and marble, air conditioned, security-guard patrolled shopping centre.
gunter wrote:I agree with you there vitruvious, and I had thought that what you describe was the way that shopping centre design was heading. I thought we were moving away from enclosed malls into a new 'sheltered street' future.
The internal 'mall' with the out-sized glazed entrance on the corner of Patrick St./Ellen St. doesn't even run all the way through to Bank Place! The big glass box from the images of Bank Place isn't the northern end of the 'mall' spilling out onto the 'sculpture garden overlooking the river', but instead is just a department store, or 'anchor tennant!
Fairy wrote:I wrote some time ago that the proposed Opera Centre would not start for at least another two years, if ever!. The Limerick Post 'front page' clarifys this, see views from Tony Connolly, Patrick Street, business man and the confirmation he received from City Hall. This is a continuing disgrace. What is going on? I call on on business persons in the detailed region to bin their demands for rates that may be due, and demand City Council knock the lot as Mr Connolly suggested . Yes open the area as a car park, or just board the lot up.. He is correct in saying the buildings are dangerous. So few of us 'LOOK UP', I suggest no-one should walk under No.5 Ellen St, as a serious gale/wind will bring down a beam that is at the moment. being supported by nothing other than a sticking plaster. It will mark my words, surly cause serious injury. In the last months the Fire Brigade have blocked the Street twice, (Ellen St,) four in all, with hatchets trying to gain entry to the boarded up premises (all in the early hours of the morning) this was all due to reported suspected fires being started in the buildings.by ??? who were burning mounds of paper in the buildings. I looked for media info on this, but there was none! How can the developers/Council get away with such apathy? IT IS a continuing disgrace, but then again, there is after all only a handful of us that give a damm about the affect this disgrace is affecting this lovly city. I believe if one had to walk through the old Town Hall one would not believe the distruction caused by Vandals. Mr Connolly thank you for your highlighting your genuine concerns.
shanekeane wrote:What exactly do you want to knock down? All the Georgian buildings on Patrick Street, Rutland Street, and Ellen Street? And are you suggesting that a car park would not be an eyesore?
Tuborg wrote:Cruse's Hotel
dave123 wrote:There is nothing spectacular about that building for the love of god.
The Cannoks building was impressive. There is little arctectural merit in that building other than its wihite. There are no striking features or anything authenitc about it.
Mayor lashes out at An Bord Pleanala over Opera Centre delay
By Anne Sheridan
THE Mayor of Limerick John Gilligan has accused An Bord Pleanala of being "totally out of touch with reality" after it emerged that a decision on the €350m Opera Centre will not be made for at least another four months. Just last week the board had set April 9 as the decision date for the biggest retail development in the Mid-West, and one of the longest running in local history.
But they have now expressed "serious concerns" with the plans, and requested further revised drawings for 15 "historic" buildings along Rutland Street, Michael Street, Ellen Street and Patrick Street.
Mayor of Limerick John Gilligan said it amounts to "economic nonsense" that An Bord Pleanala are taking so long to come to a decision on the development, while investors are waiting to pump millions of euro into the city.
"I find it very disconcerting. The whole legislation has to change. Limerick City Council has to make a decision on a development within eight weeks, and An Bord Pleanala can sit on it for six, eight or twelve months. I think they're totally out of touch with reality and I've just lost faith in them," said the Mayor.
Limerick City Council is expected to lose in the region of €1million in rates over the next three years while dozens of retail units are left vacant.
But the developers have said once the centre is fully operational - which could be three years away if planning is granted - the losses in rates will be recouped in one year.
A spokesperson for An Bord Pleanala confirmed to the Limerick Leader that it now appears that a decision may not be made until June or July.
A further revision of the plans must be submitted by May 4, and if they are not submitted by that date the Bord can dismiss the appeal or determine an outcome without further notice.
Tuborg wrote:The Opera Centre debacle takes yet another comical twist!:rolleyes:
I think its a shocking indictment of the shoddy standards in the planning office at City Hall that the board are now looking for more detailed plans. The city planners of course were only too happy to allow this development go through unaltered, with barely any consideration given to the irreparable damage that would be inflicted upon historic building stock!:rolleyes:
I wouldn't exactly have much sympathy for the loss of rates that the council are suffering, I'd be far more concerned about the battering the city centre's image is taking as a result of the vast swathe of neglected, boarded up buildings!
Of course if the council had their priorities right, they wouldn't have allowed this ridiculous situation to develop where tenants were ordered to vacate their premises years before any development took place!:mad: