Westie wrote:Why do people like it ?. Just because its been there for 40 odd years. Its a bug bearer I have with Dubliners and I think indicative of many of the problems Dublin faces. Its not that people love LIberty Hall, its that they really just dont like change, they'd prefer to retain an ugly 60.'s eyesore than risk replacing it with something new and innovative. Only in Dublin could people possibly have a cultural affection for two overbearing nondescript chimney stacks which ruin an otherwise stunning bay area. I think this 'Dublin in the rare oul times' attitude shows a lack of self-confidence and is at the root of why we have no iconic 21st century architecture in this city, why the high rise debate is so contentious, why the docklands (the best opportunity we had to go crazy architecturally) look like something from an IKEA flatpack and why planning generally in this city is soooo frustrating.
I feel much better after that vent
Denton wrote:Unless more building would be going up in the surrounding area, its pointless to put something bigger in its place.
Using the theatre as well as liberty hall is the only way to get a good building in there, something to be proad of. The space is too small to stick anything good unless other buildings nearby complemented it.
Whats Tara street station going to look like? Thats the big question. Somethings going ontop of it, so whatever that looks like that will help determin what Liberty hall's future state should be. If anything it should stay similar or simply stay.
One idea could be to use the theatre site to build something along side it that connects too its western face. Completly alter the tower, but keep most of it. Difficult and mad, and could look like frankenstein's monster, but its just an idea.
If irish life was visable in the sky line it would be so bad either, but its squat and brown. A nice design, but it needs a good lick of paint and more plants.
Oh and please, if Tara Street is going up up and away. Please could they take down DOHC. Thats just awful. Even nestled between 4 and 5 story buidlings that concrete legoblock is just awful. And that building behind it is no better.
shanekeane wrote:Liberty hall is a total monstrosity that contributes a huge amount to the rundown feel of Dublin from O'Connell Bridge. Both that and that Heineken building should be torn down, the bridge should be refurbished, and all that revolting signage either side of O'Connell Street should be removed.
The area of liberty hall should be returned to the same scale as the surrounding buildings, perhaps it could be a perfect location for a new Abbey Theatre, perhaps still attached to the old abbey theatre so that it retains an element of authenticity. Siptu should be given a plot of land on the docklands and be told they can build 30 storeys if they want to. This is all common sense and nobody could possibly disagree.
missarchi wrote:being from a far away place O'Connell bridge house stinks and so do some of the departments in it...
while I respect liberty halls position it is dated and questionable...
A few years ago you might say I lost a job to these objectors of tall buildings what strikes me is if you have enough power you seem to be able to do what you want in this city... in some cases its good in some cases its bad...
Rory while I take your point its like saying joepublic can build as high as anyone else in the city and knock down anything they want equal planning... but the planning is not equal and fair... this is what is sad...
the truth is bridge house and liberty hall are not unique buildings worthy now of indefinite preservation and that's why they are looking at knocking it down and starting fresh... it's plain and simple...
buildings must stand the test of time!!!
johnglas wrote:reddy: absolutely - however, some of our younger colleagues have a memory span of three weeks and can't wait for a city of high-rises and glass fronts; so cool, man.
Peter Fitz wrote:Whats not to like? its a simple structure, decent proportions, clean lined & originally fairly light in appearance given its size. Overall I think its a decent representative of its time & deserves to be appropriately refurbished & retained.
Failure to maintain any structure other than solid glass over its lifetime will generally leave it looking like crap.
You needn't worry Westie, i doubt i represent the view of the majority,
shanekeane wrote:it seems to me that nobody but nobody thinks that this building should be left like it is. what about if we returned to it to how it looked in the sixties? im guessing nobody's in favour of that either. i'll tell you why, because it's an ugly building which might be made acceptable by being completely redone in a modern style. the problem is that if it's redone, it's no longer a representative of its time. so we might as well pull it down because it ruins the quays and because the city centre belongs to everybody, not just to fans of short lived architectural styles, and making it a pleasant, aesthetically pleasing place to live in is for the benefit of most people. the very centre of dublin and of ireland is o'connell bridge and i think it says a lot about this country that almost every direction you look in you see a new monstrosity.
Pot Noodle wrote:i think if handled properly it could be Dublin's answer to The gherkin building
tomcosgrave wrote:Hi all - long time reader, first time poster.
Not sure if anyone here has spent any time working in Liberty Hall. I have - and it's a lousy place to work. Most of the floor space is taken up by the lift shafts, and the offices are very cramped. It's not a great place to spend any time in at all. The staff working there had to be moved out because the electricity cabling went awry a couple of years ago, and I believe the basement flooded as well. It's not really fit for purpose any more.
missarchi wrote:i'm betting my money on these options
a) the clearest smoothest most transparent building money can buy and maybe bricks to the quay line
the big question is will the floor plate get bigger... the site is just so tight mabye there are talking with Irish life?
And will there be some green cooper in the mix... and the green stuff;)