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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby green_jesus » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:48 pm

goose_25 wrote:oh right thanks, bars/restaurants really wouldn't do the site justice. Such a shame!


Ya Wha! Such a shame???

What would you put there a Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?

I can wait till that place is done. Just imagine yourself on a summers evening outside on the terrace having a beer by the water looking down the quays at the Howard Holdings towers. I can't think of anything better suited for such a place. It will be a huge benefit for tourism and locals alike.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Leesider » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:12 pm

Fanueil Hall in Boston or Darling Harbour in Sydney springs to mind, definitely think it is most suited as a restaurant/bar area.

While we are on the subject it is a shame that up around the Shandon Bells hasn't been done up properly, There is only one restaurant up there, and around that open area beside the Butter Museum and at the back of the Firkin Crane Centre would make for a nice area with a few restaurants to bring a buzz around the place.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:34 am

Bourgeoise wrote:Innovation ?
As the Port of Cork Bonded Warehouses slowly decay the cobblestone yards in this prime double waterfront location in the heart of Cork City are used as a....................car park.


its just how to separate the rowing area from the ferry or can one work alongside the other. It involves someone making a decision. Which is difficult it seems. Cue Bord Pleanala.

the docklands forum people have already been to Bremen and Hamburg to see what they did for the docklands and from a recent trip, my eyes were also opened to Oslo (fabulous newish docklands area called Akker Brygge) and Copenhagen, which has been making use of its waterfront for a while by the looks of it, their Opera House is brilliant looking.

The trip also reinforced what a shambles the public transport is in this country, trains from Norway to Sweden to Denmark, all booked from my house on the net, reserved seats, went on time, train staff had perfect English, made sure all the passengers knew where and when to change, lockers in the station to leave your bags for something like 4 or 5 euro, loads of little shops and restaurants in the train stations and trams everywhere in the cities - amazing

Just reinforces the point that Cork is miles and years behind and far too dependent on Dublin funding. I will summon every ounce of positivity I have and say at least they are doing something about it now though.

And yes, I agree with yourself and the brilliantly named Green Jesus that to sit outside the bonded warehouses, just like loads of other cities in Europe, would be pretty cool.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby goose_25 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:17 am

green_jesus wrote:Ya Wha! Such a shame???

What would you put there a Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?

I can wait till that place is done. Just imagine yourself on a summers evening outside on the terrace having a beer by the water looking down the quays at the Howard Holdings towers. I can't think of anything better suited for such a place. It will be a huge benefit for tourism and locals alike.


How very narrow minded of you to think the only alternative to 'bars/restaurants' is 'Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?' My idea for the site reaches far beyond the drinking and eating habits of Cork's locals and tourists. I was thinking the best use would be a museum, which would take up 75% of the space while the rest be devoted to one off shops/workshops giving opportunities to local artists and crafts men/women to work and sell their products. Generating tourism and revenue, while further enhancing Cork's cultural spirit! Of course there would be a cafe/bar incorporated into the museum to increase its revenue, so you can still have your beer gazing down the quays!! But there would be a further dimension to it.

This way the site would not be lost to a string of bars/restaurants that would eventually become tired and outdated (as they all do) but it would be preserved and given back to the people of Cork.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby green_jesus » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:39 pm

goose_25 wrote:How very narrow minded of you to think the only alternative to 'bars/restaurants' is 'Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?' My idea for the site reaches far beyond the drinking and eating habits of Cork's locals and tourists. I was thinking the best use would be a museum, which would take up 75% of the space while the rest be devoted to one off shops/workshops giving opportunities to local artists and crafts men/women to work and sell their products. Generating tourism and revenue, while further enhancing Cork's cultural spirit! Of course there would be a cafe/bar incorporated into the museum to increase its revenue, so you can still have your beer gazing down the quays!! But there would be a further dimension to it.

This way the site would not be lost to a string of bars/restaurants that would eventually become tired and outdated (as they all do) but it would be preserved and given back to the people of Cork.


Boring!!! That sounds like the Cobh Heritage centre to me.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:53 pm

i often wondered about Cobhs heritage, one of the main bits is the history of the emigration from there, to show how people left the country in droves and the other is a former prison.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby goose_25 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:39 pm

green_jesus wrote:Boring!!! That sounds like the Cobh Heritage centre to me.


So uncouth!
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby bosco » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:06 pm

green_jesus wrote:Boring!!! That sounds like the Cobh Heritage centre to me.


I think it's a decent idea. As it is, visitors have to out of their way to find the museum in Fitzgerald's park, the opening hours aren't ideal for the wandering tourist, and though I admit I haven't been there since I was a kid, I'd imagine much of the exhibits wouldn't be of the type to engage children or young adults.
Found the opening hours here:
Monday to Friday: 11 a.m. – 1 p.m., 2.15 p.m. – 5 p.m.
Saturday: 11a.m. – 1 p.m., 2.15 p.m. – 4 p.m.
Sunday: 3 p.m. – 5 p.m. (April to September).


Some kind of museum or cultural centre would be ideal on that site, along with a few cafes and restaurants. I could imagine a place where visitors could learn about Cork's history, maritime traditions, the role of the river Lee in the city (and county) throughout the ages etc. Some kind of aquarium (think Boston, Melbourne, Sydney) or maritime museum (think Sydney) (but obsiously on a smaller scale in all cases) would be more engaging for younger people. They could also have a space set aside for civic purposes and even occasional art exhibitions or small performances. I'm picturing a tourist office, visitor centre, city museum, maritime museum, aquarium, civic office, art gallery, exhibition centre, performing arts theatre, cafe terrace, cruise terminal and more, all operating on this site (so as to enable year-round, all-day activity) rathre than... an ugly, out of place car park.

It really is a fantastic site for this kind of venture, with it's location at the merging of the branches of the river, and would be easy to find with or without a map. It would be staring in the face of those arriving by train or by bus, and would also help to draw tourists and locals alike from the existing city centre east to the nascent docklands precinct.

River taxis (flying pigs?) or tourist-oriented small cruise boats could depart from there, and if the DDDA hadn't snapped up the Jeanie Johnston she'd be a great asset to have at the site.

I'd be happy to see the local authority invest public money as long as it was done properly, and preserved the character of the original structure. Is there any way for Joe public to increase awareness of this site and its present condition, to encourage those in power to do something about it and to encourage the people who elect them to let them know it's a major matter of concern to them? Whinging about it on this site isn't going to get anything done.

And to avoid pissing off the admin it might be wise to continue this discussion in the thread about the site here:
http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6058
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby green_jesus » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:50 pm

They are already putting a museum in the Odlums building.

What a waste it would be to turn this site into some romantic time capsule that you might visit once every few years when stuck for something to do when entertaining guests from abroad.

Why not rejoice in this place give it to the people instead of closing it off again.

(ok moving to other thread)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby the hawk » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:47 pm

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0030/sched4.html#sched4 See sections 20 and 21.

if you cannot reach the above the planning and development 2000 can be found at http://www.environ.ie. The section is contained in the fourth schdule.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:01 pm

Steady wrote:There is a boardwalk planned between the Nano Nagle bridge and the first building to the east of it, similar to the one outside the Clarion. It may be that once the boardwalk is in place, the concrete beam will not be visible.


I'm afraid I'm very pessimistic about how this boardwalk is going to work out. I used to live on the other side of the river and crossed the Nano Nagle bridge every day on the way to work. That was one of the few areas in the city where the quayside wall was intact and the original railings were present and in good condition.

Since then:
- They installed a large PVC pipe along the quay wall, including a riser which is well up over even high tide.
- The stone wall began collapsing behind the pipe (I don't know if this was due to the installation of the pipe).
- They've knocked the original railings.
- They've cemented over much of the stone work.
- They've plonked a concrete beam over the stone steps, burying them away from public access.

And now they're going to build a boardwalk which is likely to obscure what's left of the stone work.. I don't really know what the point is in putting a boardwalk that short is, but anyway..

I do admit, the park looks really well, but they are taking the concept of being sensitive to the location/context, and wiping their bums with it and flushing it down the toilet. :(
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:04 pm

I'd have thought it'd be ideal location if Union Chandlery wanted to relocate across the river. That way it would retain some connection to the sea/sea faring. That, perhaps a small museum... and lots of bars and restaurants and I'd be happy! :)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby carrigdhoun » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:26 am

who_me wrote:Ah, is that going ahead? Presumably with the regulation 1/2 floors knocked off.

It is kind of a pity the mural is gone. I guess they didn't think the building would go ahead so soon!


As far as I'am aware CCC did grant planning permission with a one floor reduction but the developer got this reinstated through a Board Planneala appeal.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:27 am

An image of Origin Enterprises' Kennedy Quay development which is due for decision by CCC on the 24th. In my opinion, it is a missed opportunity of a development. The plans make no effort to conserve the office building to the west of the site and make token, almost insulting, efforts to conserve minute portions of the R&H Hall Silo buildings. The image is from the Bonded Warehouse site.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby mickeydocs » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:49 am

Radioactiveman wrote:An image of Origin Enterprises' Kennedy Quay development which is due for decision by CCC on the 24th. In my opinion, it is a missed opportunity of a development. The plans make no effort to conserve the office building to the west of the site and make token, almost insulting, efforts to conserve minute portions of the R&H Hall Silo buildings. The image is from the Bonded Warehouse site.

<img src="http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1957/chqfc2.jpg">



Very bland, reminds me of the IFSC.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:54 pm

Yet more “copy and paste” architecture, Cork City Council could not give a damm as long as the development levies are suitably large but the design team should be ashamed of themselves for allowing that square featureless monstrosity see the light of day.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby carrigdhoun » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:48 pm

McCarthy Developments seems to have suffered a set back with their Jacobs Island scheme. They applied to increase the heights of the previously permitted Apartment blocks 3 + 4 thus increasing the density from 57 units to 106 units for both. These blocks were to be at the tunnel end of the site, The council however under the new application refused permission for Block 3 and want the new proposed height of Block 4 reduced by one story. This now leaves the developers with less apartment units for this section than originally granted.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:56 pm

Origins planning application for the R&H Hall site has been requested for Further Info

Murrayfordes plans for Kyrls Quay have been given the go ahead conditionally, the application was for a 7 storey hotel with pool and 8 storey building with 80 apts
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:10 pm

Port of Cork, the owners of one of the finest heritage buildings in the Country that is falling into disrepair (Bonded Warehouses, Custom House Quay) the same Port of Cork Company that has its begging bowl out looking for a digout from the taxpayer to relocate downriver to allow for Docklands regeneration, the same company that has sitting and former councillors on its board have objected to Origin Enterprises plans for the R&H Hall site.:o
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby johnny21 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:12 pm

Kyrls quay architects website. A few good renders and other interesting developments.:cool: http://www.jla.ie
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby johnny21 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:42 pm

Atlantic quarter website- great landmark development
http://www.atlanticquarter.com
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:42 pm

johnny21 wrote:Atlantic quarter website- great landmark development
http://www.atlanticquarter.com


Excellent website, fair play to Howard Holdings for their vision.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby rockcastle » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:19 pm

Howard Holdings seem to have put up a new website in the past few weeks with some good info on schemes / CGI's etc...... just in case no one has seen it!!

http://www.howardholdings.com
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:02 pm

Sorry, try this link: Kyrls Quay
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby bosco » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:42 pm

It's been a quiet couple of weeks here. Today I noticed they seem to be making a start on that boardwalk by Sullivans Quay. See attached poor quality images from an old camera phone.

Also nice to see workers powerwashing the national monument, whether that's the ideal way of cleaning the stonework or not.

It seems that the boardwalk (or river platform or whatever) will be very short, from Parliament bridge to Nano Nagle bridge. I wonder would there be any problem with extending it to the South Gate Bridge, and perhaps even all the way along the edge of the brewery site to Lancaster quay? It would do wonders for this neglected part of the river (and this part of the city as a whole).

Also, once this work is completed, the only remaining eyesore on the Grand Parade will be the former Grand Parade hotel and neighbouring sites. Does anyone know what's the current status of the porject(s) proposed for these sites?
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