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cork quays

Postby Pug » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:07 am

Owen O' Callaghans proposal for Andersons Quay (former Reliance building and Animals Home by the bus office) is on page 2 of Examiner today, 160,000 sq ft of office with some ground floor retail
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby corkgirl » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:30 am

Wow that O'Callaghan development is sizeable!

any idea what the story is with Howard and this court case re Coventry Airport?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby d_d_dallas » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:10 pm

any scans of the proposal?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby mickeydocs » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:16 pm

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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby cgcsb » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:50 am

there was a pcture in either yesterday's Herald or Yesterday's Indo can't remember which one
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:15 pm

I'm confused as to why this project (Anderson's Quay) is gaining such national publicity (Independent, RTE, etc.). Its a very middle of the road proposal in terms of scale and design.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:32 pm

mickeydocs wrote:Check the rte website: http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0721/ocallaghan.html


I can't figure out the image shown - isn't that Kennedy Quay?

(Very interested in this development - it's likely to fill my front window!)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby cgcsb » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:56 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:I'm confused as to why this project (Anderson's Quay) is gaining such national publicity (Independent, RTE, etc.). Its a very middle of the road proposal in terms of scale and design.


It's atracted national atention because it indicates that there is still some life in the building sector
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby the hawk » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:58 pm

It's no longer "hip" to forcast a crash in the property market, so journalists will now be keen to report on the prospect of any reasonable development, and look upon it as the green shoot of recovery. Likewise, any small to medium sized job creation will assume greater significance by the media than is warrented.The race is on to be the next george lee (albeit in reverse) and predict the next boom. But like george and the stopped clock they will be right someday, but not before many a false dawn. Developers willing to proceed in these dire times should be applauded and treated as national heros, but we must learn from the past and not allow another "merchants quay" to emerge, with the excuse that it is the only show in town. The propsed development, to my eyes at least, looks refreshing.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:51 pm

cgcsb wrote:It's atracted national atention because it indicates that there is still some life in the building sector


There seems to be plenty, in Cork.

Between the Cornmarket St. centre, the Academy St. centre, the new Dunnes Stores, the Elysian, the new 5-star hotel on Parnell Place, new hotel on Fr. Matthew Quay, new office developments at Clarkes Bridge and Fr. Matthew St., plus the ambitious new Atlantic Quarter, Port Quarter and government buildings proposals; and that's just in the city centre alone.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby the hawk » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:24 am

who_me wrote:There seems to be plenty, in Cork.

Between the Cornmarket St. centre, the Academy St. centre, the new Dunnes Stores, the Elysian, the new 5-star hotel on Parnell Place, new hotel on Fr. Matthew Quay, new office developments at Clarkes Bridge and Fr. Matthew St., plus the ambitious new Atlantic Quarter, Port Quarter and government buildings proposals; and that's just in the city centre alone.


Fair comment, but the projects listed above were concieved in the heyday of the property market when interest rates were low and the banks were rolling out the red carpets.I agree that we are fortunate to have the momentum of those projects behind the city,but I hope that encouragement stems from government by way of incentives and support to avoid any further inertia in the docklands,and those who are brave enough to proceed with development are assisted .
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:20 am

the hawk wrote:Fair comment, but the projects listed above were concieved in the heyday of the property market when interest rates were low and the banks were rolling out the red carpets.I agree that we are fortunate to have the momentum of those projects behind the city,but I hope that encouragement stems from government by way of incentives and support to avoid any further inertia in the docklands,and those who are brave enough to proceed with development are assisted .


Well, the Atlantic Quarter, Port Quarter and government building proposals were certainly put forward after the property market went belly up.

The Academy St., Dunnes Stores and - to a lesser extent - the Cornmarket centre hadn't really started when the market crumbled; though the investment was probably such that it made more sense to continue rather than back out at that point.

We are lucky to have some new quality developments coming online at a time when optimism, buyers and credit are drying up!

Though, the little evil voice in my head has been praying that a few developments could go "to the wall" without me losing any sleep. Such as the Crosses Green hotel - now business centre. I even thought if the Half Moon St. development didn't go ahead, it opens up some nice views up to Shandon and the North Cathedral. Would make a great park! :p (and no, that wasn't a serious hope!)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Leesider » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:19 am

who_me wrote:Well, the Atlantic Quarter, Port Quarter and government building proposals were certainly put forward after the property market went belly up.




when you say government buildings here are you on about the plans for the tax office or is the government planning on doing decentralisation properly and giving a boost to the docklands!!

To think if decentralisation actually was done properly the docklands of both cork and limerick would get a much needed boost, galway possibly around the train station and waterford along the quays!! Squandered opportunity!!
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby the hawk » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:03 pm

who_me wrote:Well, the Atlantic Quarter, Port Quarter and government building proposals were certainly put forward after the property market went belly up.

The Academy St., Dunnes Stores and - to a lesser extent - the Cornmarket centre hadn't really started when the market crumbled; though the investment was probably such that it made more sense to continue rather than back out at that point.

We are lucky to have some new quality developments coming online at a time when optimism, buyers and credit are drying up!

Though, the little evil voice in my head has been praying that a few developments could go "to the wall" without me losing any sleep. Such as the Crosses Green hotel - now business centre. I even thought if the Half Moon St. development didn't go ahead, it opens up some nice views up to Shandon and the North Cathedral. Would make a great park! :p (and no, that wasn't a serious hope!)


If by "put forward" you mean the date of the planning application then you are correct, but the point i was making was that these projects were concieved in better times. The date of the planning application is the culmination of many months, and in bigger developments many years, of due dillagence and planning preparation.Funding would have been allocated for these developments, though this is not to say that any project will be completed . Encouragement and incentives are needed now to maintain the momentum.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:37 am

Images of the OCP development proposed for Anderson's Quay:

<img src="http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1472/anderson1cx4.jpg">

<img src="http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8782/anderson2fh6.jpg">
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Saucy Jack » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:58 am

Radioactiveman wrote:Images of the OCP development proposed for Anderson's Quay:

<img src="http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1472/anderson1cx4.jpg">

<img src="http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8782/anderson2fh6.jpg">


I thought it was a photo of Dresden around 1989.

How many floors will be chopped off ?

Bland facades beyond belief and anything that makes the bus station look good must be wrong ?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby d_d_dallas » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:50 am

I had braced myself for the worst. This is fine. The only issue really is that is quite a big development and as such goes against the granularity that currently exists in the area, but obviously this is the way this part of the city will be going in years to come.

Where is that office developement designed by Wilson's that got the go ahead a while back? It had a curved quayside facade and was to be located somewhere opposite this site. I know it's referenced somewhere ont his thread...
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby browser » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:03 pm

Where is that office developement designed by Wilson's that got the go ahead a while back? It had a curved quayside facade and was to be located somewhere opposite this site. I know it's referenced somewhere ont his thread...[/QUOTE]


I think you are talking about Paul Kenny's Treasury Building on (I think) Penrose Wharf. Planning for that must be at least 3 years old. Last I heard that was going ahead alright but who knows....
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby d_d_dallas » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:34 pm

bit of digging yields this...
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:40 pm

Personally, I hope they do tweak the design somewhat, it is a bit bland (which seems to be what the city planners want these days). For purely selfish reasons, I wouldn't mind if they lopped a floor or two off it either (live right across the river from it and don't want to be en-shadowed! :p)

I have very mixed feelings about the Treasury building. It has a very nice river-side facade, but the rest of it is very meh... Plus, with the incorporation of the older facades, it's a compromise that falls between two stools.

A nice design, but should be build elsewhere, IMO.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby malec » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:11 pm

d_d_dallas wrote:bit of digging yields this...


This has to be built :)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby goose_25 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:29 pm

Hi all,

As I am new to this site im not too sure if im posting this in the right place???

I have a question concerning Cork Bonded Warehouses, well basically the whole site at custom house quay. Does anyone know what the situation will be for it when the Port of Cork move out and when development begins for the docklands area? Will Cork Bonded Warehouse, the company, remain tenants?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:46 pm

rumour was that o callaghans bought it and there was brief mentions of plans for little wine bars/restaurants etc

Port of Cork wont be moving for a good while yet
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby goose_25 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:59 pm

oh right thanks, bars/restaurants really wouldn't do the site justice. Such a shame!
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:17 pm

goose_25 wrote:Hi all,

As I am new to this site im not too sure if im posting this in the right place???

I have a question concerning Cork Bonded Warehouses, well basically the whole site at custom house quay. Does anyone know what the situation will be for it when the Port of Cork move out and when development begins for the docklands area? Will Cork Bonded Warehouse, the company, remain tenants?


There is a thread on the Bonded Warehouses on Custom House Quay here

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6058
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