The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Fri May 02, 2008 3:32 pm

notjim wrote:Well perhaps the easiest thing is to restrict our interest to dimensionless claims, claims based on the ratios of distances rather than on the distances themselves: few historic units have universal definitions and it is hard to agree based on internet sources since it is impossible for us to verify their impartiality.


Universal definitions = science

If Science would accept the Sacred Cubic, it would also accept God's existence.However this is architectural forum, not religious forum; therefore we should respects its rules (we are already a bit of topic).
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Fri May 02, 2008 4:13 pm

notjim wrote:So either my screen or your conventions is switching commas and dots; if I had read further I would have realised you were using dots for thousands and commas for decimals so you win that one. However, I still don't get it, nor, I am afraid have I been able to read further, can you give me a _three line summary_ of what all these numbers are supposed to be doing, is the basic idea that the dimensions of some pyramids are in surprising ratio to dimensions found elsewhere?

I remain skeptical about the skein, it seems to have lots of different lengths in different definitions; the cubit is also a very variable length, usually shorter than the cubit you use, for example, the Egyptian cubit is 52.5 cm, many of the internal dimensions of the Great Pyramid are whole numbers in Egyptian cubits.

I am sorry to appear skeptical, that is because I am skeptical, I am, however, willing to bet I am the first person to try to check any of your calculations.


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Two sides of the G. Pyramid's base = 730.484 sacred cubits = 46,385.734cm = 18,262.1 inches = Earth's speed around own axis on the Equator (in one second) = C

d = 20,606.58189 inches = 100 widths of the Pyramid's King's Chamber = 50 King's Chamber lengths

King's Chamber (length) = 206.0658189 inches = 10 Egyptian (Royal) Cubits

1 Royal Cubit = 20.60658189 inches = 52.340718cm

Egyptian Royal Cubit was created from the Earth's measurements
(topics GEOMETRY OF THE KING'S CHAMBER and PASSAGE INTO THE KING’S CHAMBER, page 1).
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby notjim » Fri May 02, 2008 5:53 pm

But is there a dimensionless quantity we can discuss? Can you point to a whole number ration between one of the dimensions of the great pyramid and something the Egyptians should not be expect to know?
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Fri May 02, 2008 7:02 pm

The history of Egypt was divided into Dynasties about 280 BC, when the priest Manetho compiled a list of the pharaohs of Egypt and grouped the ancient rulers into 30 dynasties. Later historians grouped the dynasties into 'Kingdoms' and 'Intermediate Periods.'

http://archaeology.about.com/od/eterms/g/egypt_timeline.htm?once=true&


The telling of one person is not a historical source. The history of ancient Egypt is without written proof.

The ancient Egyptians did not know and did not have the tools for cutting and drilling of granite stones and this is truly proof that these people at that time could not build the majestic pyramids. They could not know the size of the Earth or its distance from the Sun, nor could they be aware of the size of the Sun. The Great Pyramid clearly gives us all of these measurements thanks to its specific accuracy.

The cutting, drilling and polishing of tough granite and basalt stones:

http://www.gizapower.com/pma/index.htm

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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby notjim » Fri May 02, 2008 11:22 pm

Well this is what I am specifically asking: in a few sentences, without reference to any non-standard unit of measurement, what measurement indicates a knowledge of the dimensions of the earth?
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sat May 03, 2008 5:09 am

notjim wrote:Well this is what I am specifically asking: in a few sentences, without reference to any non-standard unit of measurement, what measurement indicates a knowledge of the dimensions of the earth?


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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby notjim » Sat May 03, 2008 11:12 am

Sorry I don't understand your reply: it seems your claim is that the dimensions of the pyramids indicate that their builders knew specific measurements related to the earth and the solar system; however, I am unable to read what you have written because it contains too many complicated calculations and because it refers to arcane units of measurement whose precise definition is not beyond dispute. I am hoping you could summarize what you regard as the most important instances of your claim in a few lines, preferably in a dimensionless way, that is, in terms of ratios: such a distance is a thousand times such another distance, the tan of such an angle is so and so, so that I can see for myself if what you say is true and then decide, as I regard as unlikely, whether the coincidences of length you mention are of sufficient significance to compel me to rethink my world view.
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby PTB » Sat May 03, 2008 4:30 pm

Vidusa wrote:The ancient Egyptians did not know and did not have the tools for cutting and drilling of granite stones and this is truly proof that these people at that time could not build the majestic pyramids. They could not know the size of the Earth or its distance from the Sun, nor could they be aware of the size of the Sun. The Great Pyramid clearly gives us all of these measurements thanks to its specific accuracy.


Are you suggesting that the pyramids were built with the assistance of extraterrestrial or supernatural means?
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sat May 03, 2008 4:58 pm

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The Great Pyramid at Giza Egypt is the largest stone building ever constructed on Earth.
The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of Earth. The architect(s) had advanced science and geography data and knew the size and shape of the continents on a global scale. The basic dimensions of the Pyramid also include measurements of the size and shape of the Earth.
In the period 3000 - 2500 BC man did not have the tools or knowledge necessary to build the pyramids.
Who built the pyramids? Aliens or men?
The best answer is: aliens and men!
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby notjim » Sat May 03, 2008 5:12 pm

Yes: but I have no expertise regarding stone working and so I am naturally inclined to the majority view, held by experts, that the Egyptians built the pyramids. However, I had understood from all the numerology above that you had evidence for your unusual view that was based on particular measurements, this is something whose accuracy and significance I could judge for myself, so, I am hoping you could give me a summary of the most important part of this evidence in a form where it can be judged without further scholarship, that is, in dimensionless form: in ratios.
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sat May 03, 2008 5:24 pm

notjim wrote:Yes: but I have no expertise regarding stone working and so I am naturally inclined to the majority view, held by experts, that the Egyptians built the pyramids. However, I had understood from all the numerology above that you had evidence for your unusual view that was based on particular measurements, this is something whose accuracy and significance I could judge for myself, so, I am hoping you could give me a summary of the most important part of this evidence in a form where it can be judged without further scholarship, that is, in dimensionless form: in ratios.


This is not any kind of numerology. All examples are very simple geometry.

Architectural dimension of the Gr. Pyramid's socket sides: 9131.5 inches

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Socket (casing-stone in average corner-socket).

F. Petrie: Socket Sides:
N......................9129.8 inches
E......................9130.8 inches
S......................9123.9
w......................9119.2
(The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh by W. M. Flinders Petrie, page 38)

http://www.touregypt.net/petrie/c6.html


9131.05
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0.25 inches = 0.635 cm = 6.35 mm
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby PTB » Sat May 03, 2008 5:59 pm

Vidusa wrote:The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of Earth.


What defines the centre of the land mass of the earth?

Who built the pyramids? Aliens or men?


Men
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sat May 03, 2008 6:14 pm

PTB wrote:What defines the centre of the land mass of the earth?

Men


Please, don't ask me, you know! ;)
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby notjim » Sat May 03, 2008 6:32 pm

PTB wrote:What defines the centre of the land mass of the earth?



Men


I guess (\theta_0,\phi_0)=\int_{(theta,phi) on land} (\theta,\phi)\sin{\theta}d\theta d\phi

but I would have to see some workings before I could believe that the pyramids are located at (\theta_0,\phi_0)
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sat May 03, 2008 9:01 pm

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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sun May 04, 2008 6:11 pm

PTB wrote:What defines the centre of the land mass of the earth?

Men


7 Quartz [/B]A primary constituent of many man-made items including glass. Quartz occurs abundantly in many rocks, including granite.

http://www.cjfundesigns.com/lc_gem_properties_hardness.htm


# On a hardness scale (Moh's relative scale) of 1 to 10 (talc at 1, a penny at 3, a knife at 5.5, glass at 6, and a diamond at 10) most granite is rated between 6 and 7.
# Because of the hardness of minerals that make up granite, it requires diamonds along with water to cut and polish granite.
http://mammothgranite.com/


Has it ever been demonstrated that copper or bronze can cut granite?
Never!
Why?
It's impossible!

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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby PTB » Sun May 04, 2008 6:55 pm

Vidusa wrote:Has it ever been demonstrated that copper or bronze can cut granite?
Never!
Why?
It's impassable! ;)


I presume that you are referring to the granite lying around the base of the pryamid with incisions upon them that could not have been made with Egyptian tools. I concede that these were not created by ancient Egyptians but more likely in recent centuries right up until the present as a result of the Pyramids being used pretty much as a quarry where the stones required little effort to extract. The reason that only half of the Coliseum in Rome is still in existence is as a result of Romans using the building for the raw materials of countless churches and buildings - some of St Peters basilica is made of stones from the Colleseum.

People also took pieces of the pyramids as souvenirs. My neighbour visited the site in the sixties and saw several stalls selling chunks of pryamid carved into minature pyramids. They may not have been genuine pieces of pryamid but the practice did exist. I belive that people chopping up pieces of the pryamid are to blame for the cuts and incisions on the granite
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sun May 04, 2008 7:03 pm

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Granite in the King's Chamber

The Kings Chamber (and the Coffer) is constructed of large blocks of granite.

More granite-casing stones on the East face of Menkaure's Pyramid showing an area of finished stones:

http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/html/menkaure_07.html

http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/html/menkaure_06.html
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Mon May 12, 2008 2:39 am

THE GREAT SPHINX

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Earth's perfect circle

On the curved Earth's surface 1º = 111 km

360º = 39,960 km

(39,960 : 3.14159) : 2 = 6359.836898 km = side C of the square B

Area of the square B = 40,447,527.37 km2 = area of the circle B

Radius of the circle A = 3588.155246 km

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[I]Constellation Leo and the Great Sphinx[/I]

β = Denebola "tail of the lion" (Beta Leo):

RA 11h 49 04.43458416 = 11.8178985 hours
Dec +14 34 19 = +14.57194444º

O = Subra (Omicron Leo):

RA 09h 41 08.0 = 9.685555556 hours
Dec +09 53 32 = +9.892222222º

X-O = 2.13234294 hours = 31.9851441º (1 hour = 15º)

1º of the curved Earth's surface = 111 km:

31.9851441º = 3550.350995 km on the Earth's surface.

X-B = 4.680055573º

4.680055573º on the Earth's surface = 519.4861686km

O-B = 3588.155246 km x 2 = 7176.310492 km on the Earth's surface:

7176.6310492 cm = 235.4432576 feet = length of the Great Sphinx.

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* “Subra” was named from “sub” (lat.) meaning under or near, and “Ra”, name of the Egyptian god of the sun, meaning under or near the sun (could be “near to God” real easy!).

Constellaton Leo (2000 AD):
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations/Leo.html
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Mon May 19, 2008 4:25 pm

ROSSLYN CHAPEL

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The Rosslyn Chapel:
length = 68 feet = 816 inches
breadth = 34 feet 8 inches = 416 inches
height = 40 feet 8 inches = 488 inches

Length of the Great Pyramid's King's Chamber: = 34 feet 4.1316378 inches = 412.1316378 inches
(http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=5399 )

416 - 412.1316378 = 3.8683622 inches = 9.825639988cm

Height of the Great Pyramid = 5813.011885 inches
Height of the Rosslyn Chapel = 488 inches

5813.011885 : 488 = 11.9119096

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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sat May 24, 2008 10:36 pm

PYRAMIDISTS VS PYRAMIDOLOGITS

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Figure 2

What is the base? A base is foundation: lowest support of a structure. The Great Pyramid was built on the base of the ground's solid rock (red line, Figures 1-2).

What is the height? The vertical dimension of extension; distance from the base of something to the top! What is the real height of the Great Pyramid? It is height above ground level of the base to the top of the Pyramid, vertical distance from the base of the pavement to the top of the Pyramid.

Pyramidists*: the original base of the Great Pyramid casing on the platform (pavement), is of these dimensions:
.....................Length in inches:
N.......................9069.4
E.......................9067.7
S.......................9069.5
W......................9068.6
Mean................9068.8

Pyramidists: the Great Pyramid's original architectural dimension = 9068.8 inches.

(The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh by W. M. Flinders Petrie, page 39)

F. Petrie: Socket Sides:
....................Length in inches:
N......................9129.8
E......................9130.8
S......................9123.9
W.....................9119.2
(The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh by W. M. Flinders Petrie, page 38)

Pyramidologists**: the Great Pyramid's original architectural dimension = 9131.5 inches.
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*A pyramidist is an Egyptologist who specialises in the study of the pyramids of Egypt, a specialist on the Egyptian pyramids from the archeological standpoint.
**Pyramidologist is a scientist who deals with the Great Pyramid's scientific facts that correspond with the biblical truth.
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:48 pm

ASTRONOMICAL UNIT (AU)

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a) Mean Earth-Sun distance = 149,597,870 km (1 Astronomical unit - AU) = radius of the Earth's orbite around the Sun = E-S

b) Diameter of the Earth's orbit = 299,195,740 km = 2-4

c) Diameter of the Sun = 1,392,000 km

Earth's diameter = 12,757.00336 km

1,392,000 : 12,757.00336 = 109,1165347

d) 1 year = 365.242 days

365.242 : 109.1165347 = 3.347265389

e) Mean Earth's orbite around the Sun = 939,950,344.8 km = Z

939,950,344.8 : 3.347265389 = 280,811,419.3 km

f) 280,811,419.3km/109.1165347 days = 2,573,500.158 km/day = 107,229.1733 km/hour = 1787.152888 km/minute = 29.78588146 km/sec = Earth's speed around the Sun.

g) 1 AU = 149,597,870 km
Height of the Great Pyramid = 5813.011885 (inches)
Tangent β = 1.273240621

If a certain object was to travel with a speed of 29.78588146 km/sec.,for 58.13011885 days it would travel a distance of 149,597,870 km = 1 AU = E-S = S-2 = S-1 = S-3

If a certain object was to travel with a speed of 29.78588146 km/sec., for 116.2602377 days it would travel a distance of 299,195,740 km = diameter of the Earth's orbit around the Sun = 2-4 = 1-3

116.2602377 x 3.14159 = 365.242 days = 1 year

h) Earth's orbit = 939,950,344.8 km
Earth's equatorial diameter = 12,757.00336 km

939,950,344.8 : 12,757.00336 = 73,681.12387 km

i) 1 year = 365.242 days

73,681.12387 : 365.242 = 201.732341 km

j) Height of the Great Pyramid = 0.1476505019 km

201.732341 x 0.1476505019 = 29.7858814 km = Earth's speed around the Sun (in one second).

k) 939,950,344.8 : 4 = 234,987,586.2 = A-B = 1-2 = 2-3 = 3-4 + 4 = Earth's seasons.
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:28 pm

THE GREAT PYRAMID AND THE METRIC SYSTEM

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Figure 1

Tangent β = 1.273240621

First base (red line) = 365.242 sacred cubits = 9131.05 inches = 23,192.867cm 231.92867m

23,192.867 = 152.2920451cm = 2AB

23,192.86 - 152.2920451 = 23,040.57495cm = 230.4057495m =length of the Second base (blue line).

152.2920451 : 2 = 76.1460226cm = AB

76.1460226 x 1.273240621 = 96.9522091 = d

C = 304.5840906cm = 2 x 152.2920451
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d = 96.9522091 : 2 = 48.47610449cm

C = 42.9608109cm

4C = 171.8432436cm

171.8432436 : 152.2920451 = 1.128379644

1.128379644² = 1.273240621

171.8432436 x 152.2920451 = 26,170.359cm = 412.1316379 sacred cubits = 10,303.29095 inches = 25 lengths of the King's Chamber.

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Length of the First base in centimeters = 23,192.867cm
Length of the Second base in centrimeters = 23,040.57495cm

Diference between two bases = 152.2920451cm

Length of the First base of the Great Pyramid = 365.242 sacred cubits = 365.242 days = 1 year

365.242 : 152.2920451 = 2.398299923

2.398299923 : 3.14159 = 0.76340322 days

152.2920451 x 0.76340322 = 116.2602377

116.2602377 x 3.14159 = 365.242

152.2920451 : 0.76340322 = 199.4909651

1 sacred cubit = 63.5cm

199.4909651 : 63.5 = 3.14159

1 inch = 2.54cm

199.4909651 : 2.54 = 78.53975004

78.53975004 x 4 = 314.159 = 100Pi

These measuremants and numbers can only be found if we use the metric system. The ancient Egyptians did not know of the metric system, which means that they were not the builders of the Great Pyramid. What do you think, who was the architect who was familiar with the metric system during that ancient time?
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:56 pm

THE GREAT PYRAMID AND THE METRIC SYSTEM (II)

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Tangent β = 1.273240621

First base (red line) = 365.242 sacred cubits = 9131.05 inches = 23,192.867cm 231.92867m

√23,192.867 = 152.2920451cm = 2AB

23,192.86 - 152.2920451 = 23,040.57495cm = 230.4057495m =length of the Second base (blue line).

152.2920451 : 2 = 76.1460226cm = AB = 29.97874906 inches *

76.1460226 x 1.273240621 = 96.9522091 cm = d = 38.17016106 inches **
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* "Therefore, when reducing my observations, after the first winter, I found that the casing on the North side (the only site of it then known) lay about 30 inches inside the line joining the sockets..." ( F. Petrie, The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh, p. 37)

http://www.ronaldbirdsall.com/gizeh/petrie/c6.html#20

** "In computing the above quantities, I have used my final determination of the socket levels below the pavement; these, with the first approximate results, and Inglis's figures, stand thus:—

.....Accurate in 1882 ........Approx in 1881....... Inglis in 1865

N.E.....– 28.5..........................– 28.5....................– 28.6
S.E......– 39.9..........................– 39.9....................– 42.4
S.W.....– 23.0..........................– 22.9....................– 23.0
N.W.....– 32.8..........................– 32.6....................– 32.8 "

(F. Petrie, ibid. p. 40)
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Re: The Great Pyramid: metamorphose of the architecture

Postby Vidusa » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:18 am

ANGLE OF THE ASCENDING PASSAGE

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The arrows show the Earth's axis-movement (the stars move in the opposite way)

NCP = North Celestial Pole* (North Celestial Pole is up from the horizon exactly an angle equal to your latitude).
EP = Ecliptic Pole
EP-NCP = 23.4461943º
GP-NCP = 30º = position of the Great Pyramid = 30º N
β = 26.3026897º = GP-EP = angle of the Great Pyramid's Ascending passage

The Ecliptic Pole (EP) is the point on the celestial sphere where the sphere meets the imaginary line perpendicular to the ecliptic plane, the path the Earth travels on its orbit around the Sun.The North Ecliptic Pole is in the constellation Draco.

Precession of the Equinoxes: the positions of the poles and equator on Earth do not change, only the orientation of the Earth against the fixed stars.

NCP = 90º
Angle of the Ascending passage = 26.3026897º

90º - 26.3026897º = 63.6973103º = the angle of the Ascending passage doesn't point to the star Thuban.

Thuban (Alpha Draconis) DEC = +64.37583333º

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2000 AD: North Celestial Pole and Thuban (Alpha Draconis)

NCP-Thuban = 90º - 64.37583333º = 25.62416667º

Angle of the Ascending passage = 26.3026897º = the angle of the Ascending passage doesn't point to the star Thuban.

The rate of general precession is 50.291 arc seconds per year:

231,753 : 50.291 = 4608.240043 years

4608.240043 - 2000 AD = 2608 BC = Thuban was the polar star.
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* North Celestial Pole:

http://calgary.rasc.ca/images/radec_polar_anim.gif

http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/draco/dracangx.jpg
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