Dominant on Amien St

Dominant on Amien St

Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:59 pm

What is going on on Amien St?

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The site in question is a tiny single story house, and what's replacing it...
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:02 pm

Sorry that link did not work out. Application is 4864/07
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby aj » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:14 pm

d_d_dallas wrote:Sorry that link did not work out. Application is 4864/07


yet another georgian goes in the north inner city and no one gives a f**k typical :mad:!
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby fergalr » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:02 pm

Is that one of the dingey one storeys beside the DART bridge? No loss. Having a Georgian progeny shouldn't prevent what is now in essence a quadriplegic bungalow version of its former self being replaced with something taller.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby newgrange » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:49 pm

It's the house to the right of the Five Lamps as you go out of town.
They will need some trickery to get John Hinde style photos of the Five Lamps when that thing goes up.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby fergalr » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:11 pm

The built environment in the area isn't stellar though, is it? There's that one building at a junction with Amien St and another road..finished last yr with the big tall atrium but that's it. Even Connolly is incapable of looking clean up close.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:38 pm

and this is going to improve the built environment? the complete lack of sensitivity to it's adjoining structures let alone the area in general is staggering. it's taking its cue from that building you mention at the opposite corner. The 5 lamps would be best moved further up the road to Fairview!

There's a render on a sign outside the site which illustrates the impact fully. Will try to get a photo...
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby johnglas » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:19 am

Guys, you're hopelessly confusing me with the use of this word 'render'; as applied to buildings a 'render' is a coat of plaster or stucco. If you mean a photo or an illustration you should say that.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby StephenC » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:48 am

I saw the For Sale/To Let sign up the other day. What a bizarre proposal! By all means build something more substantial on the site of the two Georgian bunglows (although they are quite chanrming) but this is just a nonsense. A classic case of over development on a site if ever I saw one. Unfortunately they obviously feel that Alto Vetro sets a precedent for high buildings on constrained sites but Alto Vetro didnt have houses right next door!

I agree that the general apearance of this area (scandalously) leaves a lot to be desired but this type of development is wholey inappropriate and will do nothing for the area.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby jimg » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:52 pm

I dunno; let me take the contrarian position here. 8 stories close to the edge of the city centre in an area that lacks any existing consistent scale or grain doesn't seem outragous to me. Its close proximity to the biggest public transport hubs in the city provides further justification for exceding the 3-4 stories which would normally be considered standard for a site like this.

I'm guessing here but if the site is where I think it is, the houses are hardly Georgian; I'd guess Edwardian from my (possibly faulty) memory. There is already a precedent for a mixture of modern buildings (from every decade since the 60s) all around the immediate area. There are far worthier targets for concern in terms of conservation, I feel.

I probably wouldn't even be saying any of this except because I actually like the look of the building. Obviously it's difficult to tell from a single drawing but it looks like a big step up in terms of architecture than the standard bulky, large footprint, 4 story, redbrick curtain walled apartment blocks which have sprouted around the city without a word of objection.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby Devin » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:56 pm

I don't mind this one too much. They argued that it was an appropriate marker at the Five Lamps. There is another big building from about 2 years ago on the opposite side of the junction.



johnglas wrote:Guys, you're hopelessly confusing me with the use of this word 'render'; as applied to buildings a 'render' is a coat of plaster or stucco. If you mean a photo or an illustration you should say that.
Your query has rendered me even more confused.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby johnglas » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:55 pm

Touche!
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby GrahamH » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:50 pm

It's a decent proposal. I cannot think of the houses in question to be demolished, but they're dated c. 1820 in the planner's report (a very well-balanced report at that). As a one-off it's acceptable, but must not set a precendent for the demolition of charming terraced housing along Amiens Street and wider area.

Eight storeys will make this development marginally taller than other recent office buildings in the area, and suitably so for this significant nodal point of the Five Lamps. Saying that, the environment of the site is a bit of a blur to me, so I cannot nail colours fully the mast as it were. The design appears to be of exceptional quality (though I take issue with both the site notice's and the planner's use of 'high quality curtain walling' in their supposed objective describing of the building).

A development that has just been completed nearby is 110 Amiens Street, by Niall D Brennan Associates. They applied for six storeys and got five.

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Overall a decent enough affair, if the glazing aprons cumbersome at floor junctions. A chic version of Hawkin's House's green biscuit tins. Particularly ill-resolved at roof level when seen head-on I think.

A budget finish to the gable wall, but in acknowledgement of future redevelopment of Connolly (I sorely hope Amiens Street does not become the new Cork Street). Attractive treatment of the main frontage.

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The brick has a warm quality in certain lights such as above, but is a distinctly bleurgh dusty pink in others.

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I think we all know what the defining architectural style of the late noughties will be...

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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby notjim » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:32 pm

I know these houses well since I used to walk this way to work, there are indeed charming and whenever I saw them I regretted, in a sentimental way, that sooner or later they would come down, but come down they must. It is almost impossible to resolve the transition in scale along this road and keeping these houses would not help, the really regrettable thing is the awful building that was put up on the kitty corner, the nw corner: truly terrible. This proposal looks very fine in the pictures; when regretting the eventual lose of the small Georgians I always feared something far worse than this would replace them.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby fergalr » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:24 pm

That big red brick development turned out much better from Amiens St than I thought, but it looks truely dire from Connolly itself.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby newgrange » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:17 pm

Just a small correction - the proposed building is at the corner of North Strand Road and Seville place, not actually on Amiens Street at all. It will give the hideous old North Strand Tech. a run for its money.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby KerryBog2 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:14 pm

notjim wrote:I........building that was put up on the kitty corner,

Don't go all yank on us. :D Haven't heard kitty corner for quite a while! Never continued in use this side of the pond, as far as I know, but lasted over there. Kitty, quatre, four, dots on a di, diagonally opposite. :cool:
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby notjim » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:11 pm

I always liked the expression and I was so tempted to use it I used in a geometrically misleading way, it isn't actually the kitty corner because the corners are oddly aligned.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby Sarsfield » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:16 pm

Took this with my phone as I passed by yesterday. At least it hides Marino College from Amiens St.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby gunter » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:10 pm

I saw something very close to what they seem to be trying to do here, in Bremen, last year.

It's a new wing to the Youth Hostel in the city centre, designed by a new practice called 'raumzeit'.

Personally, I think the Bremen building is top notch, for a box.

I'm not too sure if the Amien Street project is going to be quite as sucessful. Is the slanted roof going to work when the building already has roundy corners? Maybe they have it all worked out.

http://www.mimoa.eu/projects/Germany/Bremen/Bremen%20Youth%20Hostel
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby alonso » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:28 pm

Oh Christ that looks horrific! What a rude, ugly, obnoxious bollox of a development. Are buildings for Dublin designed in an environmental vacuum. Context? Sympathy? all concepts lost in this one...
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby hutton » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:43 pm

Whats proposed looks like serious over-development of that site imo - and again the conceptually lazy use of zig-zag windows...and whats the story with that roof?

But I might be wrong and Id like to see other elevations. Five Lamps is an interesting place at the moment; Basil Goods tall development seems to work quite well - in sharp contrast to the brownbrick development containing the Centra opposite, which is so ghastly that Im suprised no-ones yet popped a snap of it here!

The area is undergoing a serious revamp at the moment; the currently derelict Aldborough House (the last great Georgian townhouse to be built in Dublin) was last year acquired by doctors - so hopefully that will bode well for a template restoration. Also adjacent are the recently refurbished Killarney Gardens, a 1930s corpo scheme that now looks really well :)

On the whole the Amiens Street axis is undergoing significant regeneration - whereas Dorset Street just got some trees and lights while the buildings are increasingly derelict, happily it is the physical fabric of Amiens Street that is getting the attention. Not all change will be easy, but on the whole I think it is desireable that density be significantly increased - provided that the replacing material and form is of top quality,

Heres one I like, one of the rare cases where the current trend of zig-zag windows doesnt create an overwhelming cluttered effect - and as a result will imo stand the test of time:

GrahamH wrote:A development that has just been completed nearby is 110 Amiens Street, by Niall D Brennan Associates.

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More of these please Mr. Niall D Brennan - and bring a few up to Dorset St while youre at it! :)
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby aj » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:40 pm

it makes me somewhat uneasy to say the least that this development sets a dangerous precedent when georgians in a relatively good state of repair can be torn down to through this shit up...
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby GrahamH » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:18 pm

I think there are parallels to be drawn with Ballsbridge of the 1970s. Slender proposals such as the above, soley located at major nodal points do have a role to play, unlike the bloated all-consuming Ballsbridge blocks that completely destroyed the character of that suburb. The workability of the above scheme is entirely dependant on how it interacts with development across the road, and I can't picture that the minute without standing on the spot. I think the abstract character of the building actually highlights the beauty of the adjacent classic Dublin terrace.

There are however reservations over the accuracy of the above image. It's difficult to believe that an office building with roughly the same floor heights as Georgian domestic is so piddling in overall scale. The floors look tiny adjacent to what is a modest residential building. Either it's the angle of the photograph, or the photomontage is deceptive. It'd be worth contrasting that image when/if it is built.
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Re: Dominant on Amien St

Postby paul h » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:58 pm

The building looks nasty in that picture.
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