Future for Waterford

Future for Waterford

Postby Barry Hall » Thu May 10, 2007 9:21 pm

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby archipimp » Fri May 11, 2007 4:49 pm

This looks like a great plan for waterford just what the city needs to catch it up with the other irish cities.The amount of space planned as public park is also very positive but i hope that isnt a miniture replica of the spire i can see in the plans!?
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby jackscout » Sat May 12, 2007 2:54 pm

From what I can gather the proposals were prepared as part of a submission Waterford City Council's proposals for the areaDevelopment Plan It look 's very interesting and would be great for Waterford, as for the chances of it happening, I am sure the City Council would be favourable, but there are some persons who would make life very difficult and object that it would be destroying the present fabric of the area.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby Barry Hall » Sat May 12, 2007 5:48 pm

The amazing thing about this scheme is that it could acutally happen - most of the land is already in public ownership and the scheme has been though for the one privavate landowner in the middle of it. There are also a number of houses in Beau St. but it is suggested that the residents there could be re-housed as part of the scene. I understand that the City Councils plans are a lot more basic - they vote on the adoption of their plans on the 14th.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby jackscout » Sat May 12, 2007 7:04 pm

Getting over the City Council would be the easy bit it the McCann factor where the scheme could fall.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby phil.waterford » Mon May 14, 2007 11:04 pm

hi all
I am the architect behind all this
please look at the other 4 links in the wouldntwaterfordbebetterif section 14 lines from the end
kevin mcgrath, waterford
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby THE_Chris » Tue May 15, 2007 10:42 am

I think Waterford will come into its own a lot once the N/M9 build is done. At the moment Waterford is almost partially cut off. Once the new road is open everyone will suddenly realise that Waterford is in easy reach of Dublin and development and stuff will increase very rapidly.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby phil.waterford » Fri May 18, 2007 1:26 pm

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Sat May 19, 2007 8:45 pm

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These proposals for a marina / berthing facilities would mean that the port of Waterford has moved downriver away from the city core? What has or what will become of the city quays?
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby THE_Chris » Sat May 19, 2007 9:00 pm

That looks fantastic, the kind of vision that is sorely lacking in planning here.

BUILD THAT.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby phil.waterford » Sun May 20, 2007 7:52 pm

These proposals for a marina / berthing facilities would mean that the port of Waterford has moved downriver away from the city core? What has or what will become of the city quays?[/QUOTE]

I believe that the city quays should become places for the people of waterford like it was when the Tall ships were here. If the second bridge is built at Reginalds tower it is very unlikely to have an opening span as almost all shipping upriver seems to reducing as times goes by and the new port at bellview carrys what used to go to frank Cassin wharf (north Quays) THis location for a pier is downstream and on the city side of the new bridge, tourists could walk through the pier development across the park, up the new civic street past the old sector and into the shopping area -

see here
http://wouldntwaterfordbebetterif2.blogspot.com/
about half way down,

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby DGF » Mon May 21, 2007 9:59 am

THE_Chris wrote:I think Waterford will come into its own a lot once the N/M9 build is done. At the moment Waterford is almost partially cut off. Once the new road is open everyone will suddenly realise that Waterford is in easy reach of Dublin and development and stuff will increase very rapidly.



Isn't this the entire problem with planning in Ireland? Everything only develops when it is somehow 'attached' to Dublin. Developing Waterford should not be dependent on a road link to Dublin, it should be done to encourage regional development and balance and as an end in itself. Towns along the N11 and N7 are already full of commuters - is the road to Waterford to be the same?

Development plans look very interesting by the way.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Wed May 23, 2007 10:00 am

phil.waterford wrote:I believe that the city quays should become places for the people of waterford like it was when the Tall ships were here. If the second bridge is built at Reginalds tower it is very unlikely to have an opening span as almost all shipping upriver seems to reducing as times goes by and the new port at bellview carrys what used to go to frank Cassin wharf (north Quays) THis location for a pier is downstream and on the city side of the new bridge, tourists could walk through the pier development across the park, up the new civic street past the old sector and into the shopping area -

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http://wouldntwaterfordbebetterif2.blogspot.com/
about half way down,

kevin


Kevin, interesting ideas for the North Quays. I took a closer look of a map of Waterford and found it a curious situation for a city to expand exclusivly in one direction i.e. southern bank of the river Suir. Moving the railway station and bus terminal eastwards would indeed give it more breathing space. It’s location on the northside is surely not very user friendly for the residents of Waterford to access? Things are already moving as it seems the Port of Waterford has already disposed properties to developers as seen in todays Irish Times. Watch this thread folks.

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Car-park on the Quays for €4.25m

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Waterford Port Company is to sell its freehold interest in what is probably the best located car-park in the city - The Quays.
Des O'Shea of local agent O'Shea O'Toole is quoting a guide price of €4.25 million for the strategically located site which extends to 0.547 hectares (1.35 acres) and can accommodate 278 cars.
The car-park is leased to a local company, Keverflow, owned by a number of business people for 35 years from 1993 subject to an annual rent and 5.5 per cent of the annual gross turnover. Last year the rent came to €57,144 while the share of the revenue amounted to €53,331. Keverflow also had to pay a foreshore rent of €5,715.
An attractive feature of the lease from the landlord's point of view is the condition that the next rent review in 2009 should be linked to open market rental values. The same conditions will apply to five-yearly reviews after that date.
The location of the car-park, opposite the junction of The Quays and Barrowstrand Street, one of the principal shopping precincts in the city, enhances its value. However, the port authority is not prepared to say whether the site has development potential. On the opposite side of the River Suir, the company has sold 14 acres previously used for port activities to the Cork-based property developers O'Flynn for around €32 million.
The sale followed the relocation of the port downriver to Belview. In the opposite direction, work has commenced on the building of another bridge over the Suir which will eventually form part of the N25 Waterford city bypass when it opens in 2010.

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:12 am

Permission granted for train station redevelopment (Irish Examiner)

By Conor Kane 04 June 2007

WORK on re-developing Plunkett Station in Waterford could begin in a number of weeks following the local council’s decision to grant planning permission.

Iarnród Éireann’s 17 million re-development plan has been given the go-ahead, subject to 20 conditions, and will get under way in the near future if there is no appeal to An Bord Pleanála.

The work is expected to take about 18 months to complete.

Local Green Party councillor Brendan McCann had objected to the proposal when it was submitted to Waterford City Council.

The project includes a 328-bay multi-storey car park as well as bus interchange facilities, a customer area, retail units, and a ticket office and toilets.

A mezzanine level will include staff toilets and a canteen.

Brendan McCann’s objection centred around the planned car park, while he also said that the red-brick facade of the building should be kept. He described the proposed building as “ugly” and “visually obtrusive” in his objection.

Plunkett Station’s current guise dates back to 1965 and, according to Iarnród Éireann in its renewal plans, new parking capacity and space were long overdue.

Increases in the amount of people using the rail service to and from Waterford and the ongoing investment in rolling stock and tracks also prompted the decision to try and upgrade the station, according to the rail company.

Much local concern centres on traffic problems in front of the station, with long delays experienced by motorists at the adjacent Rice Bridge at peak times.

A traffic consultant is reviewing the traffic problems at the problematic junction, as well as all of the N25 corridor, which sees an average of about 40,000 vehicles every day.

Much attention is focussed on the difficulties experienced by motorists coming out of Plunkett Station, into rush-hour traffic, and the delays faced by traffic coming from both directions on the N25, when trying to turn onto the bridge and into the city centre at the roundabout.


We will be one of the 40.000 vehicles passing Plunkett Station soon on a Friday teatime.:( Not relishing the thought of all those potential tailbacks between Rosslare and Limerick. Give us back the Swansea-Cork line!
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby lostexpectation » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:32 pm

CologneMike wrote:We will be one of the 40.000 vehicles passing Plunkett Station soon on a Friday teatime.:( Not relishing the thought of all those potential tailbacks between Rosslare and Limerick. Give us back the Swansea-Cork line!



what with the bolding colognerMike? drop it people have asked already
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:25 pm

lostexpectation wrote:what with the bolding colognerMike? drop it people have asked already


what with the bolding colognerMike?


Well the spoken word has the advantage over the written word in that the tone stresses what is important. Therefore I like to use bold to emphasize key points in my posts. It helps the text to standout better and hopefully easier to read.

drop it people have asked already :confused:


Narky today? Or are you an adolescent? I hate to think that I could be wasting your time by replying to you if you are not an adult!

If you wish to impose a style censorship then have a closer look at your own one-liners.

No one is asking you to read my posts.

There are very impressive ideas presented by architects here on Waterford’s future. Would you not engage with them in a constructive discussion on the content of this thread instead of making trivial remarks in a snappy fashion.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby phil.waterford » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:51 pm

Hi all, thanks for your continued support, please have a look here
http://wouldntwaterfordbebetterif.blogspot.com/
for better model drawings, cheers, Kevin
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby Barry Hall » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:57 am

Just heard on the local news yesterday that the Council have delayed adoption of their plan and agreed to meet with Colum Power and his team re their alternative proposal. City Manager didn't sound too happy but bowed to the Members wishes - good news?
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:45 am

€2bn plan for Waterford city to be unveiled

Tim O'Brien, Regional Development Correspondent

A €2 billion plan for the expansion and development of Waterford city is to be launched today.
A seven-year plan, Waterford 2014 will focus on commercial redevelopment while also planning to make the city the cultural capital of the southeast.

It includes proposals for both public and private investment and is being launched by Waterford City Council with the support of local industry.

It includes the development of new "quarters" focusing on the maritime/historic aspects of the waterfront and including a Viking museum, reflecting the large archaeological find at Woodstown in recent years.

The plan envisages significant residential and commercial regeneration of the quays. A new pedestrian bridge across the Suir will also be built.

Another "quarter" will include local government services while the redevelopment of former industrial sites will aim to attract inward investment.

Waterford 2014 also earmarks funding for sports and leisure amenities and recreation facilities, reflecting the plan's focus on quality of life issues.

It is designed to mirror the proposed Waterford City Development Plan 2008-2014.

According to a report from city manager Conn Murray, the city centre "needs to assert itself as the commercial and cultural capital of the region and the economic, social and physical core of the city".
Accessibility and traffic management are a significant part of the city development plan, which notes the ongoing building of the city bypass, new crossing of the Suir and its link to the M9 motorway, which is to be completed by 2010.

The draft development plan includes a housing strategy, a neighbourhood development strategy and a land use and transportation strategy which envisages a major shift to public transport in the city centre.

This will involve a commitment from private and public bus and taxi companies to the development of alternatives to the private car. One key area already singled out for redevelopment is the Lisduggan shopping centre.

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:17 pm

Waterford to get €2.4bn facelift (RTE)

Monday, 18 June 2007 16:58

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A €2.4bn investment project aimed at improving the quality of life in Waterford was launched this morning.
The scheme includes a plan to build a pedestrian bridge over the River Suir linking the north and south quays and city centre.

The plan outlines how the private sector will combine with the public sector to develop the city.
Waterford Crystal outlined its plans to develop a €300m lifestyle and retail operation.

A total of €625m is earmarked for regeneration projects on both sides of the Suir including the building of the new bridge.

The authors of the plan say any development proposals for the city will be rigorously tested against quality of life in the city.

The plan is due for completion in 2014 when the city celebrates 1100 years.

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby phil.waterford » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:17 am

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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:30 pm

Planned Waterford development shelved

RTE (Tuesday, 26 February 2008)

A multi-million euro development planned for Waterford city will not now be going ahead.

The planned development of the North Wharf was central to the rejuvenation of the city centre.

The Port of Waterford company has confirmed that the Cork based development company that had planned to invest €37m in the project has pulled out.

The project was due to involve hotels, marina developments, offices and apartments, and was expected to lead to other developments along what was once known as Europe's finest quays.

Further development was also planned on the 13-acre site.

The Port of Waterford company has said it is in discussions with a number of other companies who may be interested in buying the 13-acre site.


It seems “Dockland Rejuvenation Projects” in Ireland require large amounts of patience! (Waterford, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Dublin).
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby KerryBog2 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:01 pm

CologneMike wrote:It seems “Dockland Rejuvenation Projects” in Ireland require large amounts of patience! (Waterford, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Dublin).


These projects require large amounts of CASH. When you heard of Waterford Glass talking about a 300million investment, did that not give you a clue as to reality of the project??? The bankers (of the Cork developer) probably got cold feet, if the developers hadn't already got them. The bankers to the Glass are, like their shareholders, staring into a black hole for ages into which large amounts of cash have ben sucked and disappeared. A vanity project like this, in a construction downturn, outside their core business would get no support and freak the long-suffering investors I've nothing against the city of Waterford, but what size of local economy and population would be needed to support a development of this size? Does it have a realistic airport? Road infrastructure?There are empty hotels all over the country, do you need more of them to add to the barreacks on the hill? Sustainable development, not dreamtime in the outback............
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby CologneMike » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:11 pm

KerryBog2 wrote:Sustainable development, not dreamtime in the outback............


Dreamtime in the Outback?

RTE stated no reasons for the Cork developers’ withdrawal from acquiring the site. If the present the “credit crunch” is kicking in or if the Cork developers were distracted by the dockland possibilites in their own backyard is open to speculation.

Waterford’s geographical location in the south-east via it’s own ro-ro port facilities (Manufacturing) and via the Rosslare ferry harbour (Tourism) gives them a head start to get onto the M4 to London / Dover. They stand to win a share of the Tourist hotel trade from visitors entering / leaving this country by the Rosslare route and business by Cruisers visiting it’s port.

A decision to give Waterford a University will also give the city and the south-east an additional economic engine for it to grow. The NRA projects coming on stream / near completion around Waterford city and it’s regional airport (Michael O’Learys favourite type) will make the city also more accessable. The city can also enjoy a pivotal role to its neighbouring towns (Clonmel, Kilkenny city, Carlow, New Ross / Wexford) together growing critical mass for attracting development.

So I would not share your view of Waterford’s Dockland Rejuvenation as dreamtime in the outback but just simply ambitious for a maritime city on the doorstep to Britain / Continent.
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Re: Future for Waterford

Postby ake » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:16 pm

I agree. What I would love to see is a regular frequent two way train service connecting Wexford-Waterford-Carrick-Clonmel, which could literally happen tomorrow if there was any will to do it.
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