South Great George's Street

Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Devin » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:23 am

Interesting to see that vignette sketch, but it's surprising there aren't more photographs of it around given that it's only gone since the '60s, as you say dc3.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby ctesiphon » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:05 pm

I was over on George's Street today at lunchtime and the portion of the street between Exchequer Street and Fade Street was closed, as were Fade Street and Exchequer Street themselves. Apparently the slates were flying off the roof of the Arcade (South City Markets) earlier due to high winds so the Guards stepped in to block the junctions.

Couldn't get any pics as the streets were closed, but I did see shards on the ground.

Aside from the significant concerns this raises about the building itself, I thought some of you might care to know in case it's part of your route home.;) No traffic at all - cars, buses, bikes, pedestrians - is being allowed down at the moment.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Brian Graham » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:51 pm

It looks like the plan has been revived. The lead article in the commercial property section in the Times today is about the Revenue Commisioners having rented space in the new Dunnes building at the top of Sth Gt Georges St.

The end of the article says -

"The Revenue's office deal with Dunnes Stores means that its staff will only be moving a few hundred yards from its offices in Castle House and Wicklow House at the bottom of South Great George's Street. Once its lengthy lease of those buildings ran out, the Revenue looked for alternative space close to its offices in Dublin Castle. The new block completed by Dunnes proved an ideal alternative and staff are due to move in the coming weeks.

The owners of Castle House and Wicklow House, Chartered Properties, in which the McCanns of Fyffes are investors, plan to embark on a €60 million redevelopment of the buildings which include 15 shops. When completed it will have a new frontage and 13,935sq m (150,000sq ft) of offices".
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby TLM » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:04 pm

Thanks for that Brian. I wonder if the plan to link Georges St into Dublin Castle on the axis with Exchequer Street is also now back on the cards..
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Brian Graham » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:23 pm

TLM wrote:I wonder if the plan to link Georges St into Dublin Castle on the axis with Exchequer Street is also now back on the cards..


Good question, I would presume it is much the same plan. The original planning permission granted in 2001 is valid up to August next year. Trawling through the Council site, I found a "Pre-Application Consultation", submitted in Jan 06 which is still undecided, reference PAC0019/06, location "Castle House, Georges Street, Dublin 2", text is "Change to previously approved development from office to residential on upper floors and the addition of two more floors." Frank McDonald's article quoted by Devin above mentions 110,837 sq ft with an additional 5,920 sq ft in a new penthouse floor on the Stamping Branch, but yesterdays article mentions "150,000sq ft of offices" (which may include the existing buildings)

Anyone have any more goss on it?
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby urbanisto » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:34 pm

Hey look what appeared on the street in recent days
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Paul Clerkin » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:13 pm

Looks great!
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Rory W » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:11 pm

Makes me want an Ice cream! Or get my hair cut....


Or maybe a pint
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby GrahamH » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:32 pm

Ah yes, the classic post-restoration shell-shocked look. Always particularly severe where paint has been stripped. I noticed it half way down the street during the week :)

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The bulky new orange floodlights are as intrusive as their light is unimaginative, but a niggly point.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby tomk » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:45 am

I see Starbucks have applied for planning permission to open in one of the recently renovated buildings near the Long Hall pub. They are really starting to pop up everywhere. Another planning app has gone in for a Starbucks at Glasshaus centre in Tallaght and ones have recently opened on Dawson Street and the CHQ in IFSC.

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Posted: 12/01/2008 DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL We Silverwood Developments Limited, intend to apply for planning permission to amalgamate and change the use of an existing ground floor retail unit, No. 47 South Great Georges Street, Dublin 2 and first floor office space No.47 to No.49 (incl) South Great Georges Street all protected structures to form a new Starbucks coffee unit with seating area & customer toilets. Works also to include the provision of 3 No. illuminated internal advertisement signs of various sizes and designs,, together with 1 No. illuminated external sign to be mounted on existing shop front, at No.47 South Great George's Street, Dublin 2. The planning application may be inspected, or purchased at a fee not exceeding the reasonable cost of making a copy, at the offices of Dublin City Council during its public opening hours and a submission or observation in relation to the application may be made to the Authority in writing on payment of the prescribed fee within the period of 5 weeks beginning on the date of receipt by the Authority of the application
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby ctesiphon » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:54 pm

That'll really be a test of whether the centre line of SGGS is the western boundary of the wider Grafton St retail area (as I suspect). The fact that a pharmacy recently moved from the west side to the east side (former futon shop, I think) would tend to reinforce this in my mind.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby urbanisto » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:17 pm

Starbucks have suffered from their late arrival in the market here as most of the prime pitches have been snapped up by other chains and they are left with slim pickings. Its really noticeable when you compare to London where they are everywhere!

I see there's a clean up job taking place on the South City Markets as well. Are there apartments on the upper levels. I'd love to have a look.

Any progress on the Drury Street plans to link Grafton St with SGG St. In fact surely a whole framework plan and design statement is required for this quarter.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby ctesiphon » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:03 pm

StephenC wrote:Are there apartments on the upper levels.

There are apts on the upper levels facing outwards, certainly, but I'm not sure about the upper level windows facing into the arcade- perhaps they're related to the outward apts, though the plan seems too deep in each range for that.

Also, on the subject of the west side: I thought the glazed corner building at Stephen Street was supposed to provide public access to the Castle. Am I misremembering? Or did the developers change their minds?
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby urbanisto » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:25 pm

Wasnt that the proposals for the redevelopment of Castle House or whatever that monolithic monstrisity is called? Dealt with further back at the start of this thread I think.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby jdivision » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:44 pm

I don't think so Stephen, I have been wondering the same thing. My understanding was that it was supposed to be a public street. Perhaps it technically is but doors and a reception desk certainly don't create that impression.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby GrahamH » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:04 pm

Not at all - it's a completely private office development. There's certainly no link into the Castle, even for their own staff. It's not quite the fortress of post-1803, but still likes to think it is ;)

I agree it's a great shame the link wasn't made. It's quite an awkward impermeable block, with Dame Lane the sole (barely) useful shortcut.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Devin » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:42 pm

The Starbucks mentioned above to open at the corner of George's Street & Stephen Street has just got planning permission - Ref. 1301/08. Is there any chance that this one will attract a wider cross-section of the city community, because the College Green one has been full of knobs since it opened 2 & a bit years ago? Actually all 3 city-centre Starbucks so far seem to have been opened with Trinity College south-Dublin knobheads in mind, or "Valley Girls" in the Frank Zappa song. Look at the locations: one at each entrance to Trinity (the College Gn. one & the new one near the bottom of Dawson Street), and one in BT2s, Grafton Street, for when they totter up to buy their Ugg boots and skinny jeans.

The new Starbucks will be diametrically opposite (in ideology and in George's Street) to Simon's Place coffee shop at the entrance to the markets. Will a Starbuck's fit in on boho South Great George's Street? I suppose it will attract well-heeled airheads from the nearby business college on Aungier Street. But then airheads seem to come out of nowhere anyway whenever a Starbucks opens …
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby JoePublic » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:47 pm

Devin wrote:Actually all 3 city-centre Starbucks so far seem to have been opened with Trinity College south-Dublin knobheads in mind


Jeesh, bit of a chip on our shoulder have we?
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby ctesiphon » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:58 pm

Devin- the other argument - a la Temple Bar and Stag/Hen parties - is that these places serve a necessary purpose across the wider city by ensuring that the valley girls and boys don't take up the good seats in the good cafes. So Shhhhh!! What's the other option? Simon's Place smelling like the perfume counter in BT2? No thanks!
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby johnglas » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:42 pm

Starbucks the acme of fashion? What have I missed?
Any city that can't maintain a gold-plated brand of cafe like Bewley's in a time when coffee shops are flourishing everywhere deserves Starbucks (their dark chocolate bars are good!).
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby jdivision » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:51 pm

Bewley's suffered because of its food offering. It didn't change with consumer tastes, the same thing as happened the Kylemore Group whose restaurant presence has shrunk significantly.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby jimg » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:24 pm

Is there any chance that this one will attract a wider cross-section of the city community, because the College Green one has been full of knobs since it opened 2 & a bit years ago?

If there is a knob skew in their customer demographic, I assume it's due to the fact that their coffee is muck and I'd imagine that knobs have little taste or appreciation for decent coffee.

Before you draw any conclusions though you should establish whether its exclusively the "knob factor" or whether it's just the fact that you've reached an age where being in the proximity of teenagers socialising brings you out in a rash.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby paul h » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:02 pm

I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what
I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby johnglas » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:57 pm

jdivision: yeah, that was my view as well; the food was never up to much and when the sticky buns went unsticky and unspicy the writing was on the wall. What a loss though! Maybe CB will realise in a few years that they made a mistake and have a change of heart (again).
As for the 'it' thing - cafes are for drinking coffee, talking and reading (and maybe the odd live performance); hysterical teenagers and screaming weans can go elsewhere. By the way, mine's a small americano with some hot milk on the side.
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Re: South Great George's Street

Postby Devin » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:07 pm

ctesiphon wrote:Simon's Place smelling like the perfume counter in BT2?
Lol! But I suppose we should be thankful; in the old days Starbucks would have agressively bought out the Simon's Place lease AND opened the one on the other side of the street before they got a bad name for that sort of thing.
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