kite wrote:The deal CCC secured with Owen Oâ€™Callaghan to sell Navigation House to the developer for 9.2 million euro plus free all day parking for 120 council staff for the next 999 years (worth 6 million) does not inspire confidence in Corks public transport system.
The rest of us can use the crap public transport while the VIP council staff that are responsible for the transport mess get free secure parking for the next 999 years.
Will 999 years be enough time for these Muppets to sort the mess out?
Saucy Jack wrote:Is that the same 6 million that Owen had to forfeit for not building the convention centre at Mahon Point ?
theblimp wrote:Kite - memory is fading me here on this one, but I was strongly under the impression that the original terms of the OCP/McC Devs Mahon Point deal was that if OCP didn't build the 'Trade Centre' then they would have to pay the penalty fee AND the land would revert to CCC ownership. CCC have backtracked now and said it was just the penalty fee .... however I do remember reading that it was an 'AND', not an 'OR' way back in Nav. House!!!
As for CCC equity in HH's centre in the Dockland's, I was also always under the impression that this was to be the case. However I'm pretty sure you'll find that the 'deal' done has resulted in NO equity being taken by CCC - 'Here ya go, poor impoverished HH, just take the money'!!!!!
It seems to me that government publicly stated and private policy are two different things!!
jungle wrote:I think you're at the heart of the problem with Irish politicians there. They actually spend money on studies and grand plans because it fools people into thinking they are doing something about problems.
Let me give you an example on this.
Recently talk has yet again emerged of a light rail system. I'm all for this, but really it's not what we need politicians to look at now.
Even if a decision was made to build it today, we'd be looking at the following timeframe
Identification of routes would take until 2009
You'd then look at a public enquiry, which would take it into 2010
Then you need to get the legalities of the railway order/planning permission sorted out, so we're talking late 2010
Put out tenders and we're into 2011
And then judging by the LUAS it would take 3 or 4 years to build it.
So, even if the decision was made today and the funding was available, we wouldn't see it in operation until 2014 at the earliest.
Now, if we go back to the last election. Imagine somebody has then decided to double bus frequency on every route. Even with buying busses and hiring and training drivers, we could be seeing benefits pretty soon.
The truth is that the grand designs hide the fact that politicians aren't making the simple decisions that could mean a massive improvement in the transport situation in the city.
It's actually hard to quantify my disillusionment with all the main political parties, their lack of vision and even
their lack of basic planning and managerial skills. Sometimes I think I should get involved in politics because I could hardly do a worse job, but then when I look at the alternatives of being part of one of the parties that have historically failed us or being an independent with no power to influence or make changes, I just despair completely.
carrigdhoun wrote:Ryanair seemed to have added an extra route out of Cork to Bristol but there was no typical Ryanair fanfare about it or I can't find a timetable on the website. Was this route forecast back along?
jungle wrote:I'd say anyone who disagrees with THE_Chris has never had the pleasure of driving the N20. The Charleville-Croom section is digraceful considering it links the state's second city to its third and fourth. Last time I drove it, it took me 15 minutes to get through Buttevant. At least the N8 doesn't pass through any towns now and is 2+1 for most of the route.
Pug wrote:what happened thos tram/bus things?