Cycling in Irish Cities

Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby GrahamH » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:25 pm

Fantastic news - all that's need now is a new bridge to link the two :)

Not that it's exactly indicative of the typical Dublin experience (as video in any event heightens tensions), but the video below does convey just how ridiculously hostile Dublin city centre can be at times for pedestrians and cyclists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIqo4ft3aQ

Could it ever have been imagined 100 years ago that the urban experience would be so drastically altered?
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby magicbastarder » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:13 am

ctesiphon wrote:What puts this tragic case in even more context is the story contained in a few papers today about the three car passengers involved in a crash seven years ago who were awarded cumulative damages of 815,000 euros for injuries sustained.
One got 204,165 for a fractured leg, another got 165,252 for fractures, and the third got 445,632 for 'injuries'. I don't want to downplay these circumstances, and the parties involved were obviously badly injured, but it does highlight the point I made earlier about penalties not fitting the crime in the case of cycling. In the case cited above, he was overtaking on the inside, driving in a bus lane, doing 47 in a 30 zone and driving unaccompanied - all of which to me screams 'very dangerous driving' - yet his 'genuine remorse' seems to have resulted in a 1,500 fine and two-year ban.

are damages not usually the result of court cases seperate to the ones in which punitive action is taken against the offender?
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Morlan » Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:46 am

GrahamH wrote:Not that it's exactly indicative of the typical Dublin experience (as video in any event heightens tensions), but the video below does convey just how ridiculously hostile Dublin city centre can be at times for pedestrians and cyclists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIqo4ft3aQ


I only just saw your post now. That's my video :D All taken on my trusty Ixus 55. :)
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby ctesiphon » Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:30 pm

magicbastarder wrote:are damages not usually the result of court cases seperate to the ones in which punitive action is taken against the offender?

afaik, yes. My post was as a result of the two stories appearing in the papers at roughly the same time and, yes, my ire at what I saw to be a minimal punishment for the driver in the latter case. As Lotts said, 'What an amazingly low fine.'
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Devin » Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:34 pm

That film perfectly captures the experience of Dublin city centre today: the low-lying, suffocating menace of the traffic as you walk around contrasted with the great potential of its streets and vistas. Should be shown to everyone arriving in the airport as a prelude! Well done Morlan.
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby GrahamH » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:52 pm

It's a small world Morlan :D

(phew - good thing I didn't say anything nasty ;)) Nice progression from day to night.

But really. even the amount of beeping horns is nothing short of a joke - I've never come across the city quite so aggressive before. Unless we just don't notice that element when 'live', whatever about everything else.

low-lying, suffocating menace


Perfect description. Unfortunately.
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Devin » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:28 am

Good recent article here from the SBP:

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/10/01/story17644.asp
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby ctesiphon » Tue May 08, 2007 2:34 pm

Just spotted this on the DDDA website: the Docklands City Cycle is on again this year, Sunday 29th July.

See you there! :)

http://www.dublindocklands.ie/event_list.jsp?event_date=2007-7-29
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby ctesiphon » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:29 pm

*bump*

In case anyone has forgotten or isn't aware, the Dublin City Cycle is on tomorrow morning at 11 am, starting in the IFSC.

Check http://www.dublincitycycle.ie for details.

And apparently the forecast is good! :eek: I mean: :cool:
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby alonso » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:36 pm

I'd be there but for the screw currently holding the bones in my leg together! damn you football!!! one week later and I might've been available, but such is life... enjoy it people
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Sarsfield » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:58 pm

Hopefully a couple of Government Ministers will be taking part this year? :cool:
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Starch » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:29 pm

....could someone tell me how the rickshaws are doing in dublin.....I cycle one in Oxford and a tourist told me that they have them back at home?
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby shweeney » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:31 pm

they have 3, I think, so not really a viable form of transport as they're damn difficult to find.
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Starch » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:33 pm

oh really......do you know if they are allowed to ply for hire or do the regular taxi give them hassle....the rickshaw business is booming in london right now
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Richards » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:19 pm

They seem to be every where on the Green, Grafton ST, Westmoreland St & O Connell Axis
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby ctesiphon » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:52 am

Just copying these here from the O'Connell Street thread. I don't have time now to discuss, but if anyone else wants to have a go... DCC, I'm looking at you.

Alek Smart wrote:Well,If yiz want something even BETTER....hop on a 46A as far as Leeson St/Appian Way/Waterloo Rd. (Bring your flask and sandwiches)
Then be prepared to be amazed and elevated to a far higher plane at the scope of DCC`s professional planning branch as one attempts to take in Irelands ONLY Bicycle Dual carriageway divided by a Bus Lane with (For added safety) a Bus Stop on the inside.

Also take in the "Warning Sign" which I`m sure IS contained in the "Road Signs Manual"......well maybe the one used in the Childrens Art Competition.

I suspect Civic Offices has been the subject of a Hallucinogenic Mushroom Gas attack by Aliens from the planet Muppit.......Now where IS that P45 form....???? :mad:


[quote="hutton"]Alek has a point re this - was along here today]
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby JuliusCaesar » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:06 am

ctesiphon wrote:Just copying these here from the O'Connell Street thread. I don't have time now to discuss, but if anyone else wants to have a go... DCC, I'm looking at you.

any photos?
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby hutton » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:02 am

JuliusCaesar wrote:any photos?


Its comical - still the same, obviously being left that way. bizarre. Best point of view for a snap maybe from upstairs in a bus.
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby ctesiphon » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:33 am

I use this stretch on the way into town every day, but it's usually so busy in the morning that it'd be tricky to get a picture.

I see what the aim is, I think- it's an attempt to rectify the previous problem caused by the cycle lane hugging the kerb inside a left turning lane that had its own filter, and the consequent obstacle caused by straight ahead cyclists 'blocking' the left turning traffic into Appian Way, especially buses (the No.18?) coming from Waterloo Road.

But much of the traffic that goes left up Appian Way comes from Morehampton Road (N11) and is already in the left-most lane well in advance of the junction at the top of Waterloo Road, so in effect the cycle lane veers across a line of traffic. Ironically, it's probably the congestion in the morning that makes this situation somewhat bearable, as the traffic speeds are often so low that the riske are minimised.

Since the southbound/outbound stretch between Appian Way and Waterloo Road was revised, which is almost identical to the northbound/inbound stretch described above but with the added complication of a bus stop to contend with, I've changed my route home to go via Ranelagh instead, even if it adds five minutes onto my journey.

Perhaps it has improved in the last couple of weeks?

Any 46Aers out there with a camera phone?
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby ctesiphon » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:51 pm

I noticed this morning that the inbound section of this has been done up in red, and the old kerb-hugging lane is gone for good. It is definitely more legible now than two weeks ago.

I couldn't see the outbound side- might check it this evening. Any other reports?
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby alonso » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:40 am

The lecture below should be of general interest to all involved in the planning and design fields. Spread the word. I believe there's still plenty of bike parking available in Trinity ;)
http://www.dublincycling.ie

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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby missarchi » Thu May 15, 2008 8:31 pm

Great that the minister showed up! 2 points ;)

Now if we can only get John Parkin as a consultant for a bicycle parking study of Dublin/St Stephens green/metro stations and bicycle strategy for Dublin to be implemented as legislation

what are the odds??? these two can do some talking....
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby missarchi » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:39 am

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0828/1219680139697.html

Thursday, August 28, 2008
You'll look sweet upon the seat

On your bike: cycling is perfectly compatible with fashion in Copenhagen. Photograph: Mikael Colville-Andersen, http://www.copenhagencyclechic.comOn your bike: cycling is perfectly compatible with fashion in Copenhagen. Photograph: Mikael Colville-Andersen, http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com

Bicycle safety campaigners here advocate helmets and high-visibility equipment but could a more Continental approach make cycling safer and get more people on their bikes? Cian Ginty reports

AS CLUNKY HELMETS, yellow reflective gear, and Lycra could be used as a stereotype for Irish cyclists, it might come as a surprise that women wearing high heels are a common sight on bicycles in Copenhagen.

The general image of cycling here is vastly different to so-called bicycle cultures where cycling is normalised and there is talk of a "slow bicycle movement".

"Among thousands and thousands of cyclists on my daily routes, I think I see one or two reflective vests a week, if that," says Mikael Colville-Andersen, a cycling advocate living in Copenhagen.

With Denmark, the Netherlands and Germany - where bicycle usage is high - the helmets and reflective clothing we think of as "a must" for cyclists are far from standard.

Colville-Andersen runs two bike advocacy blogs - the more serious http://www.Copenhagenize.com , and the style-centred Copenhagen Cycle Chic ( http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com ). Not only is he a bicycle advocate, but he is a campaigner for what he calls "the slow bicycle movement".

"The main point with my blogs is that if cycling is to be an everyday activity then it can easily be done in everyday clothes, like millions of Europeans do every day. Actually, according to the European Cyclists' Federation, there are 100 million Europeans who ride each day," he says.

On Copenhagen Cycle Chic - largely a photographic documentation of the bicycle culture in Copenhagen - thousands of images show how normalised cycling is in the Danish capital. The photographs of cyclists in everyday clothing - and without helmets - reflect what has become standard behaviour for bike cultures: "This is the norm, yes. This is the norm for all cities and countries with established bike culture.

"If you can show people that cycling is effortless, doesn't require 'gear' and is healthy - and you build them infrastructure to encourage them, then they will ride. Just look at Paris . . . Massive growth in cycling thanks to Velib. And now bike sales are rising because the Velibistas are graduating to their own bikes," says Colville-Andersen.

"If [people] see normal people on normal bikes in normal clothes, they will be much closer to making the jump to cycling than if they see fancy bikes, gear and all that."

IN PARIS, CYCLING has boomed just a year after the introduction of Velib, an on-street bike rental scheme with 20,000 bicycles. Automated stations are on many Parisian street corners. Set-up and maintenance costs are paid for in a billboards-for-bikes deal with ad company JC Decaux. A similar system being introduced by Dublin City Council and the same company has been criticised for its low number, just 450 bikes.

It is hoped those 450 bikes will help add a critical mass to the number of cyclists in Dublin. The most recent annual traffic survey by Dublin City Council showed a 17 per cent increase in cycling in the past year - a trend largely put down to the removal of heavy goods vehicles from the city's roads since the opening of the Port Tunnel. But, because of a decline in the past decade, cycling is up only one per cent in 10 years.

"Cycling does not have a good image in Ireland, but maybe that is changing as more people come here from other European countries where cycling is more common," says Muireann O'Dea, membership secretary at the Dublin Cycling Campaign (DCC).

"We definitely need to focus on the positive aspects of cycling - it has enormous health benefits, it gives you freedom, it's the fastest and cheapest way to get around, and it's better for the environment. Cycling is not as dangerous as people think - the number of cycling fatalities is far less than it was 20 years ago."

There are many positives to focus on - from tackling obesity to helping the environment. In addition, providing cycling infrastructure costs less than other transport provisions, and bike parking takes up less space than car parking.

The DCC also wants a poster and TV campaign, with posters placed prominently on commuter routes highlighting that "It's better by bike".

BICYCLES HAVE A different image in different countries. Colville-Andersen says cycling was hijacked by the sports industry and he highlights how manufacturers sell bicycles worlds apart in the different European markets, pointing to raleighbikes.dk and raleigh.co.uk as a visual example of this.

"They sell 'gear'", he says of manufacturers here. "They have even brainwashed the population into worrying about the weight of their bikes. It's just silly. They've stripped away chain guards, skirt guards, kickstands, fenders, you name it. All standard features on new and old bikes in Denmark and the Netherlands . . . I have a regular reader from Dublin who laments the fact that she can't find any decent 'granny bikes' there, let alone baskets or chain guards."

Image, of course, is not the only problem. Infrastructure is advanced in European countries with high bike usage - in Copenhagen, the first kerb-separated bike lanes were installed 25 years ago this year, while bicycles are allowed on the metro and regional trains, and taxis must be able to carry two bikes.

Meanwhile, in Ireland, cyclists have to contend with lanes simply painted on to roads or footpaths, or being bunched into bus lanes - hardly inspiring to would-be cyclists who are wary of buses. Bike parking at train stations, if available, amounts to the only integration with city or regional public transport.

Here, bike-safety promotion seems to overshadow bike promotion. The Government promotes helmets for cyclists, but those on the opposite side say the use of protective head gear, outside racing and mountain biking, is disproportionate safety obsession pushed on cyclists. They argue that the safety campaign damages the image of cycling by making it appear more dangerous than it is.

"Bike helmets are a personal issue and generally government bodies shouldn't advocate helmet usage as it risks labelling cycling as a dangerous activity. The statistics do not reflect this. If you advocate bike helmets then you should, by following the logic, advocate pedestrian helmets since more pedestrians suffer head injuries than cyclists," says Colville-Andersen.

The view of the DCC - which is in the process of being merged into a national campaign group - is broadly the same. A DCC position paper on helmets highlights studies in Sheffield and Australia that show mandatory helmets for motorists would save more lives: "Hence any attempt to pigeonhole cyclists into compulsory protective headgear is unbalanced as a safety initiative."

MANDATORY HELMET-WEARING laws have been introduced in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Czech Republic, and parts of the US. It has been proven, at least in Australia and New Zealand, that this led to a drop in the numbers of people cycling ; none of those countries is known for its high levels of cycling. The Government here continues to focus on safety.

"In the context of Ireland and the situation here, [helmets, and reflective vests] should be worn in the interests of road safety," says Christine Hegarty, a spokeswoman for the Road Safety Authority (RSA).

The agency rejects any claim that helmets and reflective vests damage the image of cycling by making it look more dangerous than it actually is: "Cyclists are vulnerable road-users. The task of the RSA is to promote cycle safety in order to prevent injury."

The British Medical Association agrees with the RSA's stance. However, Dr Ian Walker, a traffic psychologist at the University of Bath, found "wearing a helmet puts cyclists at risk" as motorists drive closer to those wearing helmets. He used an ultrasonic distance sensor to record data that showed drivers passed an average of 3.33 inches closer when the cyclist wore a helmet than without. "Some people loathe my findings, usually because they are starting with the 'common sense' position that bicycle helmets must be a good thing," Walker says on his blog.

Meanwhile, research published by the British Medical Journal , in its Injury Prevention Journal , supports the idea of safety in numbers. It shows that successfully promoting cycling can itself increase safety because, when more people start cycling, other road-users get used to them and fewer accidents occur. "This result is unexpected," according to the research. "It appears that motorists adjust their behaviour in the presence of people walking and bicycling."

However, there are conflicting views in the medical field, as among the cycling fraternity. But, if there is an honest interest in promoting cycling as a green and healthy mode of transport, instead of following car-dominated countries, should we not look to the example set by countries where cycling is normalised?

Peddling cycling how it works

With half of children being driven to school, promoting cycling, walking and public transport use is the aim of the Green Schools environmental initiative. Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey recently said the pilot scheme resulted in a 10 per cent drop in car use, with an eight per cent increase in walking or cycling.

But is there political will for real improvement?

The Dublin Cycle Campaign (DCC), in a submission to the Department of Transport's national cycle policy last December, said: "Girls-only schools all have a uniform policy that requires the wearing of skirts and this is the main reason why girls do not cycle. So, policy change required straight away there. The Department of Education will have to deal with a change in uniform-wearing policy."

Muireann O'Dea, membership secretary at the DCC, echoes this: "Wearing helmets and hi-vis jackets is definitely a disincentive for children, particularly girls, who are image-conscious."

But others, including the Dublin Transportation Office (DTO) - who have run the travel section of the pilot Green Schools scheme - aren't so certain how image conscious girls are.

"The DTO would agree that a significant challenge in cycling promotion exists regarding post-primary children, but would not discriminate based on gender, and would not venture to suggest what the reasons for this might be without undertaking research," said spokeswoman Sara Morris. The agency points out how the initiative "is helping achieve growth in cycling numbers in participating schools".

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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby Devin » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:12 pm

Yeah I notice this in Amsterdam too. All the hotties cycle.
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Re: Cycling in Irish Cities

Postby SunnyDub » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:36 pm

Why do all the PC heads insist on helmets? Even Boris Johnson has to wear one now for fear of offending them!
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