New Developments in Galway City

Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:34 pm

galwayrush wrote:Our Green Mayor is one of the objectors to the proposed Galway Outer By-Pass.:confused:


You can't be surprised that he made a submission on this. It is clear that the N6 needs to be bedded in to serve the main industrial areas off the N17 and Headford Rd. However continuation to Bushy Park should be 2 plus 1 and the proposal to bring this route to Barna is totally unviable. It would if completed in its current form completely remove any prospect of a sustainable development pattern for the City.

Where road objectors have lost all battles recently on National Primary routes it has been predictable as the NRA has been able to point to the National Development Plan and National Spatial Strategy to justify construction on the basis of core National objectives.

Building a commuter dual carriageway to Barna will be shot down on the basis of not being national infrastructure and facilitating unsustainable development patterns.

It is further interesting that the mayor looks set to become connaught's first green TD. If the polls are to be believed it will be at the expense on Noel Grealish who built has campaign on this road. A changing order it appears will emerge.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby Seanselon » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:27 pm

I'm surprised at all the excitement over the possibility of high rise developments on the CIE lands in Galway city centre. I can only hope that the architects (MOL I believe) and the planning authorities pay more attention to quality of design and materials, rather than merely trying to impress with tall structures. Galway is unique amongst Irish cities, not least, because it was not founded/developed around a Viking settlement. It's village like character (already much destroyed by speedy and bady planned urban regeneration of the 80/90ies) needs to be treated with sensitivity and intelligence.

This will be the biggest urban build ever in Galway (on publicly owned lands) and it's such a shame that there has been so little public consultation. There ought to have been an international architectural competition. We don't want yet another shopping mall and appartment complex.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:36 pm

Roche lays the blame over water crisis
Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:11
Minister for the Environment Dick Roche has said that disastrous mistakes by management were to blame for the Galway water crisis.

The minister said the mistakes were made over a number of years.

He said he did not understand why clean water is not being delivered into households at this stage.

Minister Roche added that he has offered every resource available to deal with the cryptosporidium outbreak.

Speaking on RTÉ Radio's Today with Tom McGurk, the minister was reluctant to get drawn into a debate about who was responsible, but agreed that if no-one was held to account, the crisis could happen again.


Is he right?
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:03 pm

I think he's just talking mindless political fluff.

This is a better article ->

The Clare river is now being investigated by Galway County Council as one of the possible main sources of the cryptosporidium bug in the drinking water supply in Galway city and the surrounding area.

It is believed that flooding of the river late last year and earlier this year led to large amounts of animal and human waste being discharged into the river, which flows into Lough Corrib at a point less than 10 miles north of Galway city.

Galway County Council director of services Jim Cullen said investigations were now focusing on the river, and officials were carrying out aerial inspections in an attempt to identify potential pollution sources along the river, which stretches 50 miles north past Tuam and into counties Mayo and Roscommon.

It is believed there are a number of untreated and poorly treated sewage systems which are flowing into the river.

This includes the town of Claregalway, now one of the main commuter towns near Galway city, which has no central sewage treatment facility.

"It's had a definite impact," Mr Cullen said of the Clare river, but he said there is still no evidence pointing to one main source of the bug, which has contaminated the drinking water supply of more than 90,000 people in the city and surrounding area.

Other causes are believed to include two sewage treatment facilities at Oughterard and Headford, where largely untreated human waste is flowing into the lake. Contamination from farming along with waste flows from septic tanks have also been identified as contributing to the problem.

However, yesterday Galway County Council said the primary cause of the contamination is believed to have been record rainfall which increased the amount of waste flowing into the lake in the last six months.

"Normally the Clare river wouldn't be a problem, but it was in significant flood in the early part of this year," Mr Cullen said. "It is inevitable that there would have been a wash or flood of contamination into the lake."

Figures show that average rainfall in the last four months of last year was 50 per cent higher than the average for the previous 40 years.

The council is currently working on increasing the supply of water from a cryptosporidium-free source at Luimnagh north of Galway city, which could be in place by mid June.

It came as Green Party leader Trevor Sargent called for a moratorium on all additional housing development in the areas of the county which are feeding sewage into watercourses, including Oughterard and Claregalway.

Last night at a special meeting of Galway City Council, members were informed of plans to provide cheap bottled water to residents in the city. The council will be paying for a subsidy system where shoppers will be given one bottle of water free for every bottle they buy.

The offer will apply only to Galway Mineral Water and will be available in certain shops, including Tesco, Dunnes Stores, Nestors and Joyces, Galway city manager Joe McGrath said.

The cost of the additional water will be paid for by Galway City Council. The council said it has no plans to introduce a similar subsidy system for the county areas affected by the outbreak.

The council has also asked the Government to introduce a voucher system to provide free bottled water for social welfare recipients.

There is increasing concern in the city about the potential impact of the ongoing water boil notice on tourism, although tourism chiefs have insisted that the water crisis had no discernible impact on visitor figures during the Easter break.


http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2007/0412/1176156961843.html
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:13 pm

He is second only to Bertie in that department;

I am shocked that opposed to working with those he manages that he went on a spree of character assinanation casting aspertions over the entire water services division of two local authorities. This is the same Dick Roche who announced that €21m had been sitting unused for a couple of years. He then grants €48m and has not done the one thing he could have done in the short term which is ring up Seamus 'booted out of transport' Breannan to get free water for the most vulnerable of the City & County population. Ultimately €21m is not €48m and for Roche to blame others when granting less than half what was required is just Dicking around.

One also wonders did this sit on Cullens desk for years while he was in environment, when exactly were the funds made available, were they tied to specific projects?

Aklthough I doubt that I actually think that Dick's ego is probably big enough to trash his own colleagues reputation if he thought there were brownie points in it; state employees fellow cabinet members no difference really.


Roche blames management for water crisis
From:ireland.com
Thursday, 12th April, 2007


Minister for the Environment Dick Roche has said mistakes by local authority management in Galway are responsible for the current drinking water contamination crisis.

Mr Roche said he had offered every resource available to help deal with the cryptosporidium outbreak.

Speaking on RTÉ's Todayprogramme, Mr Roche said he did not understand why clean water was not being delivered to households at this stage.

He agreed that if no one was held accountable, the same thing could happen again in other local authority areas.

"I think there were some catastrophic management errors in Galway over the years...I think that there was a serious problem with the operation of the Terryland plant," Mr Roche said.

"But as in every other local authority, to be fair to the current people who are in place, they weren't necessarily in place a few years ago."

Asked whether if people were allowed to "get away with it", in terms of a failure to hold people to account for the crisis, they might "do it again", Mr Roche said:

"It's not an unreasonable thing to say at all".


The water crisis is now in its fifth week, with tens of thousands of people forced to boil their tap water as a result of contamination by the cryptosporidium parasite. There have been at least 100 cases of gastric illness due to the contamination.

Residents of Galway city will be allowed to purchase two bottles of water for the price of one as part of a plan to provide clean drinking water.

The local authority has, however, rejected councillors' calls to provide the water entirely free of charge, claiming it would not be logistically possible.

At the end of March, Mr Roche announced a €48.4m plan to alleviate the water contamination crisis in Galway city and county.

The package includes a commitment to speed up the development of the new treatment plant in Galway at a cost of over €21 million.

An additional €27.4 million has been allocated for increased storage and water conservation measures in Tuam which will allow for additional water to be made available to Galway city in the longer term.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:07 pm

2 for 1 on water is a start, but shameful that its only being introduced 5 weeks into the crisis.

We've paid for water, we need an alternative, we should get FREE water from the shops, within reason (max per customer).

Or a good place to start would be to deliver a 5 litre bottle of water to every household effected. This would be done in other countries swiftly, but isnt considered here. All we get is a half arsed effort, some name calling, random pointing of fingers and the usual festering heap of blame-avoiding red tape that is so common here nowadays.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:12 pm

Reading the article again, this is the height of disgrace ->


The cost of the additional water will be paid for by Galway City Council. The council said it has no plans to introduce a similar subsidy system for the county areas affected by the outbreak.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:36 pm

:mad: And who pays?

The rate payers not only can a hotelier expect a dramatic fall in business but now they can expect increased business rates to go with it. Whilst the very poorest will either need to boil water or pay for it.


http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6048
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:43 pm

Greens ridicule Roche's model photos
From ireland.com
18:16
Thursday, 12th April, 2007
The hiring of models to pose with Government ministers is a frivolous misuse of public money, it was claimed today.
The use of glamorous girls in photoshoots came under scrutiny after Environment Minister Dick Roche was pictured between models at a press conference on decaying water pipes.
Green Party environment and equality spokesman Ciarán Cuffe insisted the models had no relevance to Dublin's creaking sanitation system. "It's a frivolous misuse of state resources. It's just silly. I have seen Martin Cullen pose with women jumping out of composters before but nothing quite like this," he said.
"It seems inappropriate. I don't see the relevance of young women to decaying water pipes." Mr Cuffe also complained about the lack of gender equality in the photo shoots questioning why it wasn't young good-looking men paraded alongside the country's leaders.
"It seems more often than not it's a couple of female models in the shoot," he said. "I'm not convinced there is any need for models but if they are to be used there should be some gender equality."
But Mary Murphy, of the public relations firm who organised the models, played down the concerns.
She said the models cost only €150 each for the press conference which was shared out between seven local authorities in the greater Dublin area."


Did anyone see if the pictures were published?
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:34 pm

Green Party environment and equality spokesman Ciarán Cuffe insisted the models had no relevance to Dublin's creaking sanitation system.


That made me laugh :D
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby Seanselon » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:55 pm

This is and architectural discussion forum. Please stay on thread, the water problems in Galway are not related in any way to architecture.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:29 am

Strictly speaking that is true but you will find that the forum branches out into development patterns and infrastructural provision on a regular basis.

I contend that the absence of an abundance of quality contemporary architecture in the City is in no small way attributable to prevelance of one off houses outside the city. The water problems are a direct result of these one off houses and as such it is relevant.

Its not like Galway people lack creativity yet the city has few examples of stunning contemporary architecture.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby Seanselon » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:18 pm

Had govenment policy over the last 30 years favoured concentrated urban centered development over low density sub-urban and rural sprawl, I'm not certain the standard of arcitecture in Galway city, or anywhere else, would have been any better.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:23 pm

It is in most places where medium density is the predominent development pattern the 1960's were a horror story the 1970's were patchy, 1980's brick clad and by the mid 1990's a lot better. Compare Edinburgh with Bristol and you will see the point I am making.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:02 pm

I wouldnt be surprised if the water problem magically gets sorted soon... the media and political will rule in this country and now that the whole fiasco has been featured prominantly on Sky News maybe something will be done.

Damn it was funny to see the Mayor of Galway pushed into a corner by the interviewer... he was trying his best to not sound like the whole thing was such a farce, but he did try the blame game a bit :D

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1261781,00.html

Tempers Boil Over In Water Crisis

Updated: 10:19, Saturday April 21, 2007
As the rest of Ireland basks in the unseasonal spring sunshine, spare a thought for the unfortunate people of Galway.
Galway's water supply has been contaminated by cryptosporidium
Galway's water supply has been contaminated by cryptosporidium

Almost a month after the cryptosporidium parasite was detected in their water supply, 90,000 residents in the city and county are still having to boil water for drinking, cooking and oral hygiene.

The cryptosporidium parasite causes gastro-intestinal problems, and can be fatal in some cases. A similar outbreak 14 years ago in Milwaukee killed 104 people and struck down 400,000 with severe diarrhoea.

Almost 200 people in Galway have fallen ill since the problems began back at the beginning of March. Thankfully there have been no fatalities, but that is where the good news ends.

The county's tourism industry is being badly affected by the outbreak, amid warnings that millions in tourist revenue could be lost if holidaymakers decide to stay away.

Hotels are already having to supply bottled water, on a daily basis, to every room for guests to drink.

Michael Coyle, of Galway's Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said the crisis could have a devastating impact on the city's largely tourist-based economy.

"If I was going on holiday to somewhere that had an outbreak, I would be making phone calls to find out if it would be safe for my family," Mr Coyle said.

"We are already seeing these type of calls coming in now, particularly to the accommodation and hotel sector."
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And with Galway's horse racing week - plus poetry, jazz and oyster festivals - still to come this summer, there are genuine fears that the city's tourism economy could be crippled.

The crisis has now escalated into a very public row between the City Council and the Government, with both sides blaming each other for the fiasco.

Environment Minister, Dick Roche TD, criticised local officials for not doing more in recent years to improve Galway's water supply.

He questioned why £14.5m of Government funding to eliminate the risk of water pollution was not taken up earlier.

But the Green Party Mayor of Galway, Councillor Niall O'Brolchain, put the blame firmly at Minister Roche's door, pointing out that as he is the minister responsible the blame must surely lie with him.

"If we look at the probable causes of the cryptosporidium outbreak... it becomes even more evident that the fingerprints of Minister Roche and his cabinet colleagues are all over this mess," said Mr O'Brolchain.

"Water quality in Lough Corrib, which is the source of Galway City's water supply, has been continuously and seriously degraded over the lifetime of this Government."
Galway residents are still having to boil water a month into the crisis
Galway residents are still having to boil water a month into the crisis

Galway City has two water works. One fully treats the water and gets rid of the parasite while the other, older, treatment plant does not. This Terryland plant produces 30% of the water supply but, crucially, the water from both plants goes into the same reservoir.

The Government will now fast track £14m of funding for a new treatment plant to replace the Terryland facility, with another £18m provided to increase storage and water conservation measures in the county.

The offer of an extra £750,000 emergency package to help tackle the ongoing crisis also turned into another row between Mayor and Minister, with Mr O'Brolchain accusing Mr Roche of "playing politics".

Even a temporary measure aimed at helping Galway's house-holders ended up in a row. The City Council helped fund a "buy one, get one free" offer on bottled water at certain local supermarkets.

But that was immediately attacked, not surprisingly, by other retail outlets and other bottled water providers who felt they were being unfairly dealt with.

The crisis shows no sign of ending any time soon, with one local official claiming it could be September at the earliest before the city has a safe water supply once again.

But, as always, some people have seen the funny side. It is reported that the latest craze among the city's students is a game of Russian roulette with the local tap water.

Glasses of water are filled from bottles, with one filled from the tap. The blindfolded participants then have to drink a glass of water - taking the chance that they might end up drinking the glass with the contaminated tap water in it.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby galwayrush » Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:27 pm

The plans for the massive docklands developement will be submitted within a few weeks.
Adding this to the Ceannt Station developement, it's beginning to look like a new modern New City centre "towards the sea " is going to be created and this will enable the character of the old Medieval city centre to be retained.It's a massive area when the 40 acres of reclaimed land is added, probably more than 100 acres in total.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:42 pm

40 acres of foreshore license in the context of the Mutton Island hoo ha is a fantasy. The unco-ordinated piecemeal development of the most logical extension to Galway is entirely premature in the absense of a coherent integrated master plan.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby galwayrush » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:15 am

PVC King wrote:40 acres of foreshore license in the context of the Mutton Island hoo ha is a fantasy. The unco-ordinated piecemeal development of the most logical extension to Galway is entirely premature in the absense of a coherent integrated master plan.

This has been in the pipeline for years now,Yes i agree, the lack of infracture is the biggest worry, although the proposed rail link is certainly a step in the right direction. Perhaps an elevated road network is the only solution to serve what may be a high density area , can't see any department spending that much money here though,
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:52 pm

I certainly dont agree with the massive land reclamation.. if I remember seeing the general plans a while back I though it would destroy the ecology of the entire area.

And lose the damn oil terminal from the plans. Thats obscene.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby Sulmac » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:13 pm

Found a lot of information on the Ceannt Station Quarter - with a lot of pictures, plans and comments.

http://www.cie.ie/projects/galway_station_update.asp

Follow the links at the bottom, each deals with a separate issue.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby galwayrush » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:42 pm

Cheers for the link.
Interesting.:cool: Looks good so far.
I would love to see what the proposed facade looks like.
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby CologneMike » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:04 pm

Sulmac wrote:Found a lot of information on the Ceannt Station Quarter - with a lot of pictures, plans and comments.


I thought I would cut / copy / paste some of then here. This city centre site has great potential!
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby PVC King » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:30 am

Any images of what it will actually look like?
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby THE_Chris » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:53 pm

Seems like a colossal amount of space going on the car parking.. surely they could put a multistorey carpark up instead and save that land?
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Re: New Developments in Galway City

Postby Sulmac » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:51 pm

@THE_Chris:

The parking will mostly be multistory in a basement, if you get what I mean; it will be built on levels underground - or that's what the plans say anyway.

http://www.cie.ie/projects/images/gImages/10_Plans%20&%20Sections%20copy.jpg [I think so, anyway]
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