Do you have to be an artist?

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Do you have to be an artist?

Postby Matt » Wed Sep 20, 2000 12:23 am

I sat the leaving cert this year and sadly will be doing the same next year. I never did Art in school and the career guidance teacher told me that ruled out architecture as a CAO choice. I have since found out that he is an incompetent idiot but thats another story. I did do well in Tech Drawing and I can draw freehand. I'd appreciate any advice from an architect or someone currently studying architecture.
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Postby MG » Wed Sep 20, 2000 8:38 am

Why dont you contact the UCD School of architecture directly at Richview, Clonskeagh.
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Postby daniel » Wed Sep 20, 2000 11:06 am

In my own class only half the students did art for the leaving and probably half did technical drawing. Both groups entered feeling the other group had the advantage, but to be honest after first year it is difficult to know who did what in school. In first year there is more of an emphasis now on models to drawings to encourage students to design in three dimensions. What is more important are your ideas and designs to your drawings per se.
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Postby dont worry » Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:38 pm

Dont worry! I'm in 4th year Architecture and never done Art as a subject. Obviously its an advantage having a portfolio already together from secondary school, but with a bit of hard graft, sketching, painting etc. and some research into Art and Architecture, you'll have as good a chance as anyone. Good Luck!!
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Postby UCD Graduate » Wed Sep 20, 2000 6:55 pm

Never did Art for the leaving, but would consider myself artistic - that should suffice. I never did Technical Drawing either but could understand the concept of projections etc. An architect is a jack of all trades and doesn't neccessarily need to be a master in any one (wait for the onslaught of denial...).
What daniel says was also my own experience. On top of that there are those who are good at English who will thrive at Architecture History and those who love Maths for whom "Structures" will be a doddle. 1st year is a great leveler, students who have had very little exposure to architecture can finish up in a better position that those who have architects for parents.
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Postby Michaelangelo » Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:02 am

Hi Matt, although you may not have a piece of paper stating that you have a qualification or whatever in art, I would strongly recommend however that you engross yourself as much as possible in everything concerning the arts, ie drawing, painting, sculpture, history of art, this will result in you being a more knowledgeable well rounded architect in the long run. Look at the great examples of the past who all had artistic faculties in some way.

Postby wondering » Thu Sep 21, 2000 11:01 am

Sorry Matt, I don't want to take over your post. I have a similar query to make. As a person hoping to study regional and urban planning @ucd next year and not having any architectural qualifications, I would be concerned. I am generally very interested in architecture, and feel that it is imporatant for planners to have a certain architectural 'awareness'. Does anyone know of good introductory texts, journal articles, books, whatever, that would be useful?

Postby john white » Fri Sep 22, 2000 2:54 pm

Hmm... apparently not, would be my answer!

Michaelangelo made some good points - engross yourself in the experience of your predecessors: Architects [Michelozzo, Bramante, Brunelleschi {that's just the Italians!} etc etc...], Painters, Graphic Designers, Illustrators and so on. It's all spatial composition, beauty, questions of practicality, appropriateness etc...

If you find you don't appreciate any of what they've done at least you'll understand why and can then break their rules with confidence and hopefully, sound judgement!
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Postby f9 » Mon Oct 09, 2000 5:17 pm

Western Architecture by Ian Sutton is a good introduction to architectural history and Space,Form and Order will give you a rudimentary introduction to the theory of architecture,although it is kind of the Enid Blyton of architectural writing.Hope that helps!

Postby Joe Beuys » Mon Oct 09, 2000 7:50 pm

Everyones an Artist
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Postby wondering » Tue Oct 17, 2000 2:49 pm

thanks a lot f9

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Postby DARA H. » Tue Nov 07, 2000 8:45 pm

To Matt, and especially 'wondering'.

Matt - if you don't get to do Architecture in Ireland you could always try somewhere in Britain. E.G. Cardiff University - it has a high rating (4 star) for its arch. dept. and Cardiff is easily reached by Ryannair -Dublin to Cardiff 'international' airport. Flight time about 40 minutes -tickets in/around £65 rtn.

Wondering - I agree with you that planners should be 'design aware', lets not get into the argument about planners been the arbiters of good taste though!

If you apply to the MRUP (as UCD are prone to calling their course) and don't get in. consider Cardiff.
It has about 30 teaching staff, Phd researchers, general researchers, and others doing work in the area of 'planning'.

It has 2 undergrad and 4/5 postgrad planning, houseing, and sustainability courses. The dept. has a 5* rating and i think it is meant to be the 'best' planning research dept. in Britain.

You could also have the opportunity to indulge in your interest in architecture here as the dept. is just beside the architects place.
In the MRUP equivelant course here (masters in City and Regional Planning) urban design/architecture modules are availible in the first year and in the second year of the course a specialism has to be chosen, and one of these is 'urban Design' (in one of the modules you'll work with 5th year architects).

There is another Irish person in my year (MSc 2 city and regional Planning) and one in the year below me and there had been 2 i believe before i arrived so they're used to an Irish contingent here.

I have been told by planners (in Irl) that a course over here should be fine for getting a job in Ireland as long as you scratch up on Irish Planning law before you start job hunting in ernest.

One year of an Msc. costs £2,750 stg. so over 3 grand irish.

Look at the web site for loads of info on the courses here and biographies of the staff - see especially the biographies of Prof. John Punter and Mike Biddulf for architecture /urban design / planning


& for planning stuff

Hope this is helpfull.


p.s. No student here walks more than 20 minutes to any lecture department and accomadation is fairly easy to find and relatively cheap (£45 stg. p/w excluding bills is a fairly common price for a room in a house).

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