cork city boundary extension

Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:01 pm

kite wrote:A bridge too far for Joe Gavin??

Today’s Irish Examiner’s story on the boundary extension]http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=18248-qqqx=1.asp[/url]


Ah, yes. The line-up for the Kristallnacht....Cork County counsellors should be sure to close their window shutters very tightly, from this point forward. By the looks of things we are heading towards a Reichswasserleiche.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:05 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:All the stupid invalid historical references on this site should be deleted as the are distracting from the debate.
Cork City needs the boundary extension a sthe last one was in 1966 and the parish pump political response from some of our county councillors is akin to a Ballymagash or Kilnascully farce.They are not acting in the citizens of this City or County's interests for proper and ordered future planning between the 2 duristictions.
I am sure that this argument will run on for a while whilst they play to the galleries but at the end of this process they will have to agree an extension or else the Government of the state will do it for them.



You see! What did I say about an impending Reichswasserleiche?

What is history, and histoical characters, if not a warning for us?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:09 pm

Pug wrote:can we give over on comparing J Gavin to HItler in 1933? between that now and another councillor calling him Napolean, by the time the 2008/9 boundary extension happens we will have run out of historical figures.

Lets stick to what you all think of the boundary extension. Its been due for years and media reports seem that the city council are being very high handed about it so instead of bringing in an arbitrator and agreeing some sort of compo figure for the county council, this will drag on for ages, the councillors will end up doing less than they already do anyway and its to our own detriment in that the eyes will be taken off things like the shambles that is the electoral register (i was deleted from it even though i sent back the councils own form about registering a change of address) and poor transport in cork, the delay in kent station, the delay in the docklands etc etc


Praxiteles never mentioned the H word!

It is just as effective to convey what one thinks of the boundary extension between the lines !
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby kite » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:00 pm

One farmer whose lands straddle the existing city /council border was plagued by developers in the past few months seeking to buy his land for twice what it was worth as farmland.
Mr.O’ knowing the way the mafia works in Cork held off the sale.
He is now out celebrating, and looking forward to the Porsche car show in the Vienna Woods Hotel where he can rub shoulders with the other property speculators in the city. :rolleyes:
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby phatman » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:53 am

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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby jungle » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:04 pm

phatman wrote:Proposed city boundary extension: http://www.corkcity.ie/news/pdf/Borough_Boundary_Map_081106.pdf


On that map, the boundary appears to bisect the village of Ballygarvan. Why not use the river to the south of it as the boundary instead?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:28 pm

phatman wrote:Proposed city boundary extension: http://www.corkcity.ie/news/pdf/Borough_Boundary_Map_081106.pdf


With this amount of territory being absorbed into the City, the County of Cork could soon be smaller than Louth. In this context I have a question: we know that the Cork City Council will have a lot to say about this annexation]Angriff[/I]; but will the persons living in the disputed territories be given a chance directly to say what they think about this proposal by means of a plebiscite?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:35 pm

Joe Gavin and the City Council need have no fears about democracy and plebiscites - when approached in the right way. A leaf could be taken out of the histroy ofthe Austrian Anschluss of 1938. Every effort was made to give the Austrian population a chance to assent to the Anschluss in demorcatic manner as the enclosed Stimmzettel (ballot paper) clearly shows. It would not be too difficult to adapt it to the Cork situation...
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:31 pm

Praxiteles wrote:With this amount of territory being absorbed into the City, the County of Cork could soon be smaller than Louth. In this context I have a question: we know that the Cork City Council will have a lot to say about this annexation]Angriff[/I]; but will the persons living in the disputed territories be given a chance directly to say what they think about this proposal by means of a plebiscite?


My reading of the boundary situation is that it is handled like a Part 8 planning decision, you are free to make an observation / submission BUT the Minister calls the shots at the end of the day.
The City Council has to;
(a) furnish a copy of the proposal to each local authority whose boundary is affected by the proposal and such other local authorities as may be prescribed by regulations made by the Minister and each authority so affected by a proposal is referred to in this Part as a "respondent",
b) publish a notice of the proposal in the form so prescribed giving details of the proposal and inviting submissions with regard to it from any person concerned within such period as is specified in the notice, and
(c) otherwise inform such persons of the proposal as may be so prescribed.
(4) (a) Within 6 months from the receipt by each respondent of a copy of the proposal or such longer period as may be agreed upon by the proposer and the respondent, each respondent shall consider the proposal and make a statement of its response to the proposal (in this Part referred to as a "statement of response"), and furnish a copy of it to the proposer.
(b) The making of a statement of response is a reserved function.
(5) Following consideration by a proposer of any submission that it receives within the period referred to in subsection (3)(b) and of any statement of response furnished to it in accordance with subsection (4)(a), the proposer may by resolution amend the proposal in such manner as it thinks fit and a proposal so amended is referred to in this Part as an "amended proposal".
(Local Government Act)
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:37 pm

Just like the little man himself!!

And where in the middle of all of the above do we find Das Volk?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby samuel j » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:41 pm

Praxiteles wrote:Joe Gavin and the City Council need have no fears about democracy and plebiscites - when approached in the right way. A leaf could be taken out of the histroy ofthe Austrian Anschluss of 1938. Every effort was made to give the Austrian population a chance to assent to the Anschluss in demorcatic manner as the enclosed Stimmzettel (ballot paper) clearly shows. It would not be too difficult to adapt it to the Cork situation...

Indeed one could even adapt it electronically for use on the mothballed E-Voting system.... could bring a whole new meaning to Vorsprung durch Technik...
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby samuel j » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:42 pm

Praxiteles wrote:Just like the little man himself!!

And where in the middle of all of the above do we find Das Volk?


On wrong side of the Rates fence....
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:51 pm

I wonder does anybody else think that it is becoming increasingly urgent to take radical measures to democratise our civic and political institutions? How can a major decision such as the boundary question be taken in any democracy WITHOUT direct reference to the people immediately effected by it?

How long more will it take before another little man will stand up inGrand Parade quite deluded that he is addressing the Heldenplatz?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:59 pm

samuel j wrote:Indeed one could even adapt it electronically for use on the mothballed E-Voting system.... could bring a whole new meaning to Vorsprung durch Technik...


That would of course ensure that the general population had even greater facility for expressing their assent to the Anschluss.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby samuel j » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:32 pm

Praxiteles wrote:That would of course ensure that the general population had even greater facility for expressing their assent to the Anschluss.


Not if we got the dutch lads over

From RTE
05 October 2006 19:33
A group of computer hackers in the Netherlands says it has discovered major security flaws in the electronic voting machines used there.
The Irish Government has bought similar voting machines from the same Dutch manufacturer.
On Dutch television last night, the group, calling itself 'We Don't Trust These Electronic Voting Machines', demonstrated how it hacked into the machines to play video games and stage an electoral fraud.
The hack involves replacing one of the microchips in the machine with one containing programming codes written by the hackers.
The machines were easy to break into. Each of the 8,000 machines used in Holland has the same lock and one key will open all of them.The hacker group says it obtained its key technical data from the report of an independent expert group, commissioned by the Irish Government, to examine the security of electronic voting machines in Ireland."
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Praxiteles » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:39 pm

Another nice mess you have gotten us into.....
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby Praxiteles » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:11 pm

And here is another little minor issue that those currently awaiting Wiedervereinigung with the Grosscorkischen Reich might want to ponder.

(Presumably, a good slice of the current short-fall was generated by the famous Knitted Map of Cork)

The qiondam Cork Examiner

24 November 2006

City manager seeks 10% hike in bin charges

By Eoin English
BIN charges in Cork city could rise by 10% and commercial rates by 3.7% under new budget proposals.


City manager Joe Gavin presented the proposed increases during the course of a detailed presentation to the city council’s budget estimates committee on Wednesday as the process of thrashing out details for the city’s 2007 budget began.

Mr Gavin told councillors there is a €1.4 million shortfall in the projected income from refuse charges this year.

He said he wants to increase the annual standing charge for refuse collection by €15 — from €290 to €305 — and up the bin tag charge from €5 to €6.

He also indicated that he wants to limit the number of recycling bags, which are free, to 50 per household per annum and to charge €1 per bag thereafter.

Socialist Party Cllr Mick Barry branded the proposals as “scandalous”.

Households using a bin tag every fortnight and two dry recyclable bags per fortnight would face charges of €461 next year as opposed to €420 last year — an increase of 10%, he said.

Households using a tag every fortnight and three dry recyclable bags per fortnight would face a charge of €489 this year — an increase of 17%, he said.

“This is a plan to bleed the ordinary PAYE householder dry,” he said.

“€489 is a full weeks’ pay before tax for many workers and, as such, is equal to well over 2% of annual take-home salary.”

Fine Gael’s Jerry Buttimer also criticised the proposed refuse charge hikes.

“We shouldn’t penalise those people who engage with our collection service and who play their part in recycling,” he said.

“But this is the opening gambit in our budget debate. There is a long way to go yet.”

Last year, householders were hit with a €35 rise in bin charges when the standing charge rose from €255 to €290.

A wave of illegal dumping swept through the city for several weeks afterwards.

There are also proposals to, for the first time, set aside a package of up to €500,000 in grants for sporting organisations.

Increases in funding for the arts is also expected after a record increase last year.

And up to €34,000 will be set aside to service boilers in the homes of up to 600 council tenants on waivers.

That move was welcomed by Labour Cllr Catherine Clancy.

Councillors met behind closed doors last night, and will meet again tonight, before voting in public on the budget on December 18.

Click here for irishexaminer.com stories before this date
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby kite » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:58 pm

Praxiteles wrote:And here is another little minor issue that those currently awaiting Wiedervereinigung with the Grosscorkischen Reich might want to ponder.

(Presumably, a good slice of the current short-fall was generated by the famous Knitted Map of Cork)

The qiondam Cork Examiner

24 November 2006

City manager seeks 10% hike in bin charges

By Eoin English

........Councillors met behind closed doors last night, and will meet again tonight, before voting in public on the budget on December 18.


:o Democracy how are 'ya??
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby Praxiteles » Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:55 am

kite wrote::o Democracy how are 'ya??


There we go: Das Grosscorkische Reich!!
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby madisona » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:52 pm

The Peoples Republic needs lebensraum. The untermensch of Ballincollig will welcome the great leader with wild celebrations after the Anschluss. Ein Volk, Ein Manager.
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby rofbp » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:23 pm

this is a pretty old thread. I'm wondering has there been any progress on the boundary extension. i haven't heard anything about it for a long time.

perhaps with the fall off in the economy this isn't such a pressing issue.
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Re: cork city boundary extension

Postby rofbp » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:08 pm

perhaps i was wrong about the "pressing issue", since the An Bord Snip report has suggested the merger of Cork city and councils. probably good news if you live in the county within 15 miles of the city, but not sure i'd be happy if i lived in skibereen, bantry or youghal
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