Bren88 wrote:Yes. Architects designed the pyramids. Not some joes who were calling them selves architects...
...the people who have been designing buildings for years, and can show to be competant at it, can become members of the various organisations. They can become quailifed through profession al expierence....Today it is a subject learned through college and to start as an architect a degree is needed.
The bill isn't here to stop people without degrees (but are quailifed through professional exp) from practicing. Its to stop people who have no degree and no expierence from calling themselves architects and from using a house plan book to con people.
Bren88- What if the qualifications and experience required will be all controlled by the RIAI. Can you honestly say that it is fair? It truly is monopoly. A monopoly is bad for business, bad for this country and bad for the customer.
Now let's get something straight...I don't want to call myself an Architect. I'm not an architect. But if I was to open a business I am qualified to offer "Architectural Services"... for I am an Architectural Technologist/ Technician whichever title you would like to use. It IS Architectural. The Bill forbids the use of "Architect" used with other words or letters... i.e. Architectural Services, unless qualified by this so far very foggy means, which I reckon will be thrown upon us if something is not done now...
This also means that such offices will not be allowed to list themselves in the Golden Pages under Architects. Bad for businesses... Creating a monopoly.... Very Very bad for customers. So pretend all you like, till you are blue in the face, that this Act will protect customers because this is what I feel will happen:
1- The word "Architect" can't be used by the technical offices. (Not the worst- it's not the title "Architect" that I'm worried about- it's the "Architectural Services")
2- Marketing and advertising becomes very difficult for the rest of us. (Yippee- I hear the Architects say- More business for us! Less competition!)
3- Non-"Architects" become invisible.
4- Naturally, this will lead to (Like has happened in the States) a banning of Technical Architects from practising.
5- Therefore, obviously, Architects will be able to charge what they like. There will be a very scary scale of fees indeed.
6- All the Architectural Technicians will have to go to Uni and get the fancy schmancy qualifications, which are now needed to do this job, which we're doing quite well without!!
7- Then- there will only be Architects in Ireland. There will still be bad designers and good designers. It's the same people, different name...
8- Any pure technical staff will get paid very poorly. As there won't be a choice to open up a practice, they will have to be employed by Architects. Therefore- Nobody will follow this essential line of work anymore.
9- Everyone will be an architect. Now the RIAI will have to make up a new grading system. To be the best Gold star Architect you will have to study full-time for 14 years... and miss out on 10 years in practice. But don't worry- the ego will be saved!!!
10- The Irish government will say "Oh No- we've done it again....the sale of the airline had been a foolish, reckless decision but this beats all !!!":(