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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby urbanisto » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:29 pm

Anyone been through 'Quartier Bloom' recently. Lost more new units opened up and the area looks so much better for it. Its truning into a lively little spot. A bit of planting to soften all that cold granite and grey aluminium wouldn't go amiss though.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby Rory W » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:22 pm

From todays Irish Times

Spate of antisocial activities on Liffey boardwalk
Hélène Hofman




A meeting will take place tomorrow to address the problem of antisocial behaviour on Dublin's Millennium Boardwalk by the Liffey.

The boardwalk, which attracts many tourists to rest, view the river and drink coffee, has become a magnet for people with alcohol and drug problems.

A Garda spokesman said yesterday that an operation to tackle the problem resulted in 46 arrests in the first two months of operation, and the problem has escalated this month and in July.


Between April 2006, when the operation began, and June 2006 gardaí arrested 26 people under the drugs misuse Act and 20 for public order offences. They also carried out 404 searches under the misuse of drugs Act during that period.

A cross-section of agencies, including the Homeless Agency, Focus Ireland, addiction services and community groups, will discuss measures to address the needs of those congregating on the boardwalk and at other Dublin city centre locations at tomorrow's meeting .

"It's not yet clear whether the problem relates to housing or drugs, so the meeting will focus on that so the relevant support can be delivered," said Derval Howley, director of the Homeless Agency. "It does seem to be one of the main places people go during the day."

A spokesperson for the Merchant's Quay project, which works with the homeless and people affected by drug abuse, says the combination of good weather and a lack of day centres for homeless people means more may be congregating along the promenade during the peak tourism season.

The boardwalk, which stretches from Grattan Bridge to Butt Bridge, was built as a tourist amenity as part of Dublin's millennium projects and was completed in 2000. Last May, a month after the Garda operation began, Dublin City Council erected a number of signs along the boardwalk informing people that the consumption of intoxicating liquor in a public place is prohibited. The council says it has received no complaints from the public since.

However, employees of the kiosks on the boardwalk say the antisocial behaviour is continuing to affect business and that most of the clientele now consists of tourists.

"It's not good for business and it's not good for the tourists," says one vendor, who did not want to be identified. He has witnessed several incidents involving alcohol in the past month. "It's the worst on sunny days when there are lots of customers. The guards are watching but when they come the people just put away their drinks and take it out when they are gone."

"I don't really feel safe, to be honest. But I have a security camera if anyone comes," he said indicating the camera and monitor set up on a top shelf.

"We won't call the guards unless something really bad happens," said the vendor.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby darkman » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:38 pm

Rory W wrote:From todays Irish Times

Spate of antisocial activities on Liffey boardwalk
Hélène Hofman




A meeting will take place tomorrow to address the problem of antisocial behaviour on Dublin's Millennium Boardwalk by the Liffey.

The boardwalk, which attracts many tourists to rest, view the river and drink coffee, has become a magnet for people with alcohol and drug problems.

A Garda spokesman said yesterday that an operation to tackle the problem resulted in 46 arrests in the first two months of operation, and the problem has escalated this month and in July.


Between April 2006, when the operation began, and June 2006 gardaí arrested 26 people under the drugs misuse Act and 20 for public order offences. They also carried out 404 searches under the misuse of drugs Act during that period.

A cross-section of agencies, including the Homeless Agency, Focus Ireland, addiction services and community groups, will discuss measures to address the needs of those congregating on the boardwalk and at other Dublin city centre locations at tomorrow's meeting .

"It's not yet clear whether the problem relates to housing or drugs, so the meeting will focus on that so the relevant support can be delivered," said Derval Howley, director of the Homeless Agency. "It does seem to be one of the main places people go during the day."

A spokesperson for the Merchant's Quay project, which works with the homeless and people affected by drug abuse, says the combination of good weather and a lack of day centres for homeless people means more may be congregating along the promenade during the peak tourism season.

The boardwalk, which stretches from Grattan Bridge to Butt Bridge, was built as a tourist amenity as part of Dublin's millennium projects and was completed in 2000. Last May, a month after the Garda operation began, Dublin City Council erected a number of signs along the boardwalk informing people that the consumption of intoxicating liquor in a public place is prohibited. The council says it has received no complaints from the public since.

However, employees of the kiosks on the boardwalk say the antisocial behaviour is continuing to affect business and that most of the clientele now consists of tourists.

"It's not good for business and it's not good for the tourists," says one vendor, who did not want to be identified. He has witnessed several incidents involving alcohol in the past month. "It's the worst on sunny days when there are lots of customers. The guards are watching but when they come the people just put away their drinks and take it out when they are gone."

"I don't really feel safe, to be honest. But I have a security camera if anyone comes," he said indicating the camera and monitor set up on a top shelf.
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"We won't call the guards unless something really bad happens," said the vendor.


TBH I always thought the Boardwalk was a mistake right from its inception. What the planners dont realise is that a large minority of Dubliners have absolutely no civic respect and of course the scumbags were going to make a home for themselves there. I really dont think this sizeable minority of Dubliners are mature enough or have the capacity to understand that loitering, intimidation, grafitti and littering are just not acceptable. Therefore why the planners bother I dont know. Just take a look at the gobsh*tes who thought it was a great crack to constantly vandalise 'the speed of light' 'monument' on the M1 motorway near Drogheda. Now it has to be taken out. Same with the boardwalk.:mad:
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby paul h » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:48 pm

Darkman if people enjoy using the boardwalk (not the addicts etc of course)
then i dont think think it was a mistake
If they actually enforced the laws and prosecuted (harshly) the people involved, and are seen to be doing it, then troublemakers may think twice.
If people were afraid to cross the gardai it might instill some civic pride!
Here - would-be criminals fear the NYPD, and rightly so
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby darkman » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:11 am

paul h wrote:Darkman if people enjoy using the boardwalk (not the addicts etc of course)
then i dont think think it was a mistake
If they actually enforced the laws and prosecuted (harshly) the people involved, and are seen to be doing it, then troublemakers may think twice.
If people were afraid to cross the gardai it might instill some civic pride!
Here - would-be criminals fear the NYPD, and rightly so


True. I think the gardai are dis-interested and tbh youd want them armed to command such respect and unfortunatley I and many others wouldnt trust an armed police force because the gardai as it is are corrupt (not all of them of course).

It just really annoys me as a taxpayer (thats not the government's money, thats my money and your money) to see money spent on these projects and then these toe rags come along and ruin it. The board walk is not safe. Especially at night but I no longer walk it during the day either. The junkies are all over it!:mad:
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby phil » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:41 am

Darkman and Paul H, as indicated by the article posted by Rory W, the issue is not simply about policing. There are clearly much more complex issues to be dealt with than simply trying to stike fear into those who are congregating there through zero tolerence policing. What will this solve? All it will do is move people on to another area of the city without solving anything in a real sense. It is not a case of people simply deciding that they are going to behave in a certain way, but in many cases is it is that they have found themselves in a situation where there is no other alternative.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby lostexpectation » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:12 pm

what with this talk of a tolka boardwalk, why was it made a compulsory part of the design by the council?

The boardwalk is being erected as part of deal with developers on Richmond Road.
The construction of the boardwalk was a condition under which an apartment complex was granted permission.

http://www.dublinpeople.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1528&Itemid=49

“It is our policy to maintain and enhance the natural and organic character of the rivers and canals and to promote access, walkways and other recreational uses of their associated open space.”
He added: “It is not considered that the proposed boardwalk, limited to the boundary of this site with the river, will seriously affect the amenities of residents in the area.”


So the council have to keep access to the the waterside, so they get the apartment builders to build a boardwalk over the river... I can't see how this would increase anti-social behaviour other then give a artificial collecting point... i probably won't be very long...
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby ctesiphon » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:42 am

Brazen drug dealers take over city tourist trail
Drugs and money exchange hands on the Liffey Boardwalk at Eden Quay at lunchtime yesterday

Thursday August 24th 2006
Scourge moves into open in towns across the country

DRUG dealers and addicts have turned one of Ireland's main tourist thoroughfares into a virtual no-go area. An investigation by the Irish Independent shows dealers openly selling drugs on Dublin's Liffey Boardwalk in broad daylight. And as our shocking pictures reveal, even the presence of active gardai in the area does not deter them. The blatant behaviour of the dealers in a main tourist area is the most high-profile example yet of how the scourge of drug abuse has moved into the open in towns across the country.
It came as Ireland prepares to host the Ryder Cup - and just hours after Tourism Minister John O'Donoghue launched a multi-million euro campaign to promote Irish tourism. Dublin TDs last night called for a dedicated garda patrol unit to stamp out drug abuse in the area.
Over the course of a two-day investigation, we photographed dealers and addicts exchanging money for drugs in broad daylight during the height of the busy summer tourist period.
Our pictures clearly show:
* Drugs being openly exchanged for money;
* Women hiding drugs in their bras so gardai cannot find them;
* Methadone being consumed in public;
* Children accompanying their parents as drug deals take place;
* Customers approaching dealers and asking for their drug of choice.
Male and female dealers worked up and down the tourist attraction, hiding the drugs down the back of their trousers or in their bras. Others openly waved around small bags of pills in full view of the passing public. On Tuesday, two plain-clothes gardai stopped and searched a number of people who were loitering along the boardwalk. Yesterday, the officers were back - and the dealers were still in action. Our pictures show one dealer being surrounded by a group of around six people as soon as he arrived.
"The guy came up and they all swarmed around him like the Pied Piper," said one witness.
Labour TD Joe Costello said the boardwalk was once a novelty for people to walk along when they visited Dublin. "It has become a no-go area because of the activities," he said. "Instead of being an amenity for the citizens it is a focus for people who are involved in drug-pushing to congregate." He called for a dedicated garda squad to patrol the area and deter such activity.
Independent TD Tony Gregory also added his voice, saying the area was now a complete turn-off for tourists.
A spokesman for Dublin City Council said it had a community officer to patrol the areas and report such activities to the gardai. However, he could not say if there was an officer on the boardwalk at all times. "We are working in conjunction with the gardai to alleviate the problem," he said.
Workers whose offices are alongside the boardwalk said they were too afraid to sit there to have their lunch. "There's so many of them hanging around in big gangs," said one young woman. "I wouldn't go over there on my own and even in groups we can't really relax and enjoy the sunshine. We have to constantly keep an eye on our bags."

Gardai were also seen arresting a number of men. They chased a young man on a bike who tried to run when he spotted them. After being searched he was cuffed and brought away.
A family was forced to flee the area recently after a knife fight broke out between two drug addicts, while there are also concerns that immigrants who cannot find a job are sleeping rough beside the Liffey.
Gardai said 404 people have been arrested in the area between April 3 and the end of June under the Misuse of Drugs Act. Of those, 26 were arrested and processed in the courts. A further 20 were arrested under public order legislatio.
A spokesman said: "We monitor the area on an ongoing basis and any illegal activity which is reported or we come across receives our attention." He said gardai were working with homeless agencies to help those sleeping rough in the area.
Frank McGee of Dublin Tourism said the activity is not helping Ireland's reputation abroad. "The problem is, what are the memories that tourists are taking back?" he asked.

A day on the capital's boardwalk of shame

THE sun was out yesterday morning on one of Dublin's main tourism thoroughfares.
And it also brought the drug dealers out to play. From early morning drugs were bought and sold as openly as souvenirs along the Liffey Boardwalk, while tourists and children walked by.
Two plain-clothes gardai were on the wooden walkway for most of the day but even they could not deal with the level of dealings along one small section between O'Connell Bridge and Butt Bridge.
Groups congregated for several hours, greeting each other as familiarly as office workers who had donned their tracksuits for their day's work.
At around 11am a small wad of cash could clearly be seen being handed from a woman to a man, both of whom continued to loiter throughout the day. She could later be seen taking a bag of small white pills from her pocket and showing them to a friend.
Shortly after 11, the gardai swung into action, catching a young man who was sitting on the wall close to Butt Bridge.

Nervous
While the gardai were dealing with their arrest, two men sitting on the bench were approached by a third. Smoking a cigarette and looking nervous, he bought some drugs from the two men before moving off.
After midday a man in a red jumper appeared close to the busy bus stops. A group of seven people, who were there for most of the day, quickly swarmed around him and money was exchanged. The group blocked the entire footpath and elderly passersby were forced onto the road.
The substances were openly exchanged in front of signs warning of €1,000 fines for anyone caught drinking on the boardwalk.
Tourists passed just feet away, some gazing open-mouthed at the sweating dealers, others keeping their heads down and walking resolutely on.
At around 12.20pm a woman approached a younger male, seen doing business with several individuals throughout the day.
Our pictures clearly show cash being exchanged for a substance, which she then placed in her bra for safekeeping.
This method was also used by a young woman - who appeared to be pregnant - who walked down the boardwalk with a minder after lunch.
Her minder, holding a bulldog on a leash, watched over her as she sat on the bench to dole out the wares she had earlier stuffed up her t-shirt.
A little earlier, a woman pushing a buggy gathered in the middle of another drug hustle. Standing close to her and witnessing the entire deal was her young son. Aged around four, and wearing a red Spiderman t-shirt, he watched as his mother and companions carried out in the drug deal. She was later stopped and searched by gardai but nothing was found.
She sat on the boardwalk for hours - and just yards away from a woman who was brought a methadone fix by a friend.
A male arrived at around 2.20pm with a flask and gave her methadone, which she knocked back with a grimace.
The gardai maintained their presence throughout the day, with many of the deals happening as they brought yet another suspect to the local garda station.
By late afternoon, many of the dealers and abusers had moved on, aware that they were now being watched.
The 'Beirut Boardwalk' as it has come to be known, was supposed to help rejuvenate the city centre, giving the Liffey a Parisienne atmosphere.
Instead it has attracted alcoholics, drugs dealers and abusers.
The problem has now had a knock-on effect among city residents and led to protests from residents in Drumcondra about a proposed boardwalk along a section of the Tolka River.
The activities on the Liffey Boardwalk have guaranteed that no one wants a boardwalk anywhere near their home.

Edel Kennedy
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby GregF » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:26 pm

Gardai ineptness...
It's crazy the way the city can be allowed to be handed over to scumbags, hence no seating on O'Connell Street.
I see that 2 glass panels have been broken awhile on the James Joyce bridge. No sign of them being replaced.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby GrahamH » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:57 am

The shock horror 'revelationary' nature of this story is amusing - this has been going on since day one of the Eden Quay Boardwalk opening, and to a lesser extent Bachelor's Walk previously. I've seen everything from dealing, to injecting, to drinking (constantly), to urinating (including group-huddling around a woman so she could do her business whilst shielding her from passers-by - bless, the consideration for public morality was touching) - all a day in the life of Eden Quay. And that's not accounting for persistent nagging for cash from people sitting along Bachelor's Walk over the past five years.

Since the Garda crackdown along Eden Quay earlier this year, exactly as Phil has said, the usual unfortunates have simply been forced to relocate to the Custom House area on a more permanent basis, rather than their circumstance actually being addressed. The intimidation they cause, and the extraordinary amounts of waste they leave at every scene, has simply been moved further east out of the city centre. Clearly others have moved in to take their place as demonstrated by the Indo, so it's a complex matter. Gardaí cannot be everywhere at once, nor is it desirable. How you address this problem given it's made up of many different people's problems, varying from typical drug pushing and consumption, to alcoholism, to mental issues very evident with some people, to basic homelessness with others, or a combination of factors, I really have no idea.
In the short term policing may help, but in the medium term these people need help, and in the longer term some serious social investment is needed in inner city Dublin.
Hopefully at least the generation currently growing up are having a better stab at things than many of their elders did - many of those you see are sadly in their 30s and 40s. Saying that, the Indo pictures tell all about the dismally young age of most people :(
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby kefu » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:39 pm

There are some very fancy "lamp shades" on top of the public lights along the stretch of the Boardwalk between O'C Bridge and the Ha'penny Bridge.
Not sure what they are for but some of them looked in an Oriental style from my taxi, which was hurtling along Aston Quay yesterday evening.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby JJD » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:19 pm

kefu wrote:There are some very fancy "lamp shades" on top of the public lights along the stretch of the Boardwalk between O'C Bridge and the Ha'penny Bridge.
Not sure what they are for but some of them looked in an Oriental style from my taxi, which was hurtling along Aston Quay yesterday evening.


As far as I am aware the lamp shades have been put up as part of the Dublin Fringe Festival that is going on throughout the city at the moment.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby ctesiphon » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:14 pm

Spot on, JJD. This from Onsite@Archiseek:

http://www.archiseek.com/onsite/2006/07/dublin_fringe_festival_lantern_installation.html

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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby urbanisto » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:07 pm

The kiosks everyone (in their right mind) loves to hate go from bad to worse. Anyone noticed the shutters installed on the fronts. The original design didnt even stand up to a couple of years usage. The Theatre Festival is using one kiosk at the moment and guess what...its got uPVC patio doors! These are a disaster. A shop and a transient info desk. The other two remain unused. DCC should remove them immediately and return the bridge space to pedestrians.

One of the benches has been smashed and awaiting repair. In the meantime its festooned with red and white warning tape. The whole scheme is becoming an eyesore.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby strutter » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:39 pm

Long time lurker.

I read in the mail on sunday last week that the council are finally to move the kiosks from the bridge and admitted that they were a mistake and not working. They plan to move the kiosks elsewhere in the city to 'return the view' of the liffey
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby ctesiphon » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:02 pm

Dare we believe that it might be true...?

I passed them again the other day and they really are an embarrassment. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby urbanisto » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:49 pm

This is great news. A welcome recognition that the use of kiosk here was a mistake. Hwoever, one of the unfortunate side effects of all this IMO is that kiosks are now seen as a bad idea...which is a pity because in the right locations they can work well. However, one and a half years on from grant of permission there are no kiosks on O'Connell Street yet, and I wouldnt be surprised if the idea had been parked. The kiosk at Smithfield Luas stop also remains unlet.

On a related topic: the balustrades on both Butt Bridge and more importantly O'Connell Street need to be looked at ASAP and repairs undertake. Its shameful that these bridges are in such a mess. I'd like to see a plan for the bridges considered by the CC to bring them all back up to scratch. It should look at maintainence and cleaning, relaying of pavements which in most cases is awful pour concrete or tarmac, and decent ornamental lighting rather than the industrial estate stuff currently being used.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby GrahamH » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:30 pm

Absolutely. Butt Bridge's lovely mellow granite balustrades are in a particularly poor state, with balusters missing and metal railings clipped about the place for as long as I can remember - railings that don't even seem to serve any purpose. There have been some excellent restoring insertions done here in the past, with appropriate granite sourced, and yet in other places (as seen below) there's even O'Connell Bridge Portland balusters hacked in! :eek:

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Only in Dublin...
There's also a nasty litter problem round here that needs sorting, as does the paving (or lack thereof).


I sourced the kiosk article from the Irish Mail on Sunday below. Also here they are about a year ago - nothing's changed except the blind shop has closed I think.

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€2 million flop we dreamed would rival Paris
By Warren Swords

It was intended to be a cultural development ranking along the best any city in Europe could offer. Dublin city planners hoped a book market would rival markets along the River Seine in Paris abd the famous medieval Ponte Vecchio across the River Arno in Florence.

However, just three years later, Dublin City Council has admitted that the project on Capel Street Bridge (also known as Grattan Bridge) has been a disappointment – because no booksellers ever expressed an interest in opening there.

The council installed four elaborate, space-age kiosks in February 2004. Now, however, instead of selling wonderful and rare book, three of the outlets remain empty while the other has been let to yet another newsagent.

Every other business that opened on the bridge was forced to close due to lack of turnover – including an art gallery, a company that sold blinds, and a florist. The result is a €2 million eyesore that has blocked arguably one of the best river views in any European city.

Martin Kavanagh, executive manager at Dublin City Council, admitted that the council was disappointed at how the development has turned out. He added: ‘Maybe one of the advantages of taking out two of the kiosks would be to restore the view of the river.’

The council is now considering moving the ‘market’ to another location, such as the corner of George’s Street and Dame Street.

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So moving two or four of them? Would this be that gaping hole at the back of the big rendered WSC building on the corner?
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby ctesiphon » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:37 pm

GrahamH wrote:So moving two or four of them? Would this be that gaping hole at the back of the big rendered WSC building on the corner?

It HAS to be all four, surely?

The only site that would fit that description is the patch of tarmac I think you're referring to, Graham- under the 'Why Go Bald?' sign, where Mick Wallace had his containers for a good while.

(I've only just twigged the irony of Mick Wallace having his sheds by that sign!:) )
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby Devin » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:25 am

Yay! Great news about the kiosks.

But why would two be left :confused: .... some desperate face-saving effort by the Council? Let's just quit our losses DCC and remove the lot!

We want this:
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby urbanisto » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:03 pm

GrahamH said: Also here they are about a year ago - nothing's changed except the blind shop has closed I think


Nothings changed except the original sliding doors were all removed and roller shutters were added instead. And the blind shops changed awning (remember they all had the same awning that needed to be tied to the benches - surely a design classic) is still in place long after it vacated.

Get rid of these things. Poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly managed. They are a blight on this bridge. Perhaps they can be used elsewhere in the city (I would suggest some modifications to them though) but they certainly should be removed from this location. I would be disappointed if only two were removed and two left in place. Take them all away.

Also on Grattan Bridge - how about the glass-backed bench that has been broken since last year...anyone considering repairing it?

And further down at Ha'penny bridge: I walked across the bridge last night and unfortunately no one thought that when they installed uplighters at each side of the bridge they might need to replace the bulbs every so often. They have been out for months now, maybe years ... only two working. Shame on you DCC!
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Calatrava

Postby Rusty Cogs » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:31 am

Where oh where is that Calatrava bridge ? If I didn't know better, I'd say Dublin City Council put it's construction out to tender, chose a company and instead of the construction beginning in '06 the company in question promptly went out of business. The whole tender process begins again and we can look forward to another year delay before commencement. :mad:
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby fergalr » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:50 pm

They could stick one of the kiosks in Wolfe Tone Park by Jervis St, which currently barely has a purpose and even less seating. That tennis table from O-Connell St is currently there, among a nice little copse of trees I think. A newsagenty shop woudl actually be welcome there, especially in summer as apart from the super-Spar at Jervis St Luas stop, there ain't much like that there.
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Re: Bridges & Boardwalks

Postby phil » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:22 pm

fergalr wrote:They could stick one of the kiosks in Wolfe Tone Park by Jervis St, which currently barely has a purpose and even less seating. That tennis table from O-Connell St is currently there, among a nice little copse of trees I think. A newsagenty shop woudl actually be welcome there, especially in summer as apart from the super-Spar at Jervis St Luas stop, there ain't much like that there.


That is a good idea Fergair. Nice atmosphere there during warm summer days. A Kiosk could add quite nicely to it. Hard to know where to put it though (Without moving more headstones!!!).
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