Part-Time Study?

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Part-Time Study?

Postby jaysie » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:27 pm

Hi there,
I'm hoping to re-enter the education system to train in Architecture. I will be a mature student at 29 years. Needless to say I'm nervous about this transition, I realise it will be financially difficult. My current job is as an Art Director and model-maker, so I have some tiny aspects of drawing under my belt, therefore, I feel I'm not drastically changing career path, which to me is reassuring.
Can anyone recconmend the best place to study and if there are any part-time course options in studying to be an Architect?
I'm from and live in Dublin and would appreciate any advice.
Cheers in Advance.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby urbanisto » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:42 pm

Hi
I went back as a mature student at age 30 so I know your concerns. My circumstances might be a bit differnt though. Im studying Spatial Planning at DIT. I understand that DIT also offer some parttime course in design related fields.

http://www.dit.ie
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby urbanisto » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:54 pm

You should also look through the 'Student Issues' forum...might be some folks who have been in the same position as you.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby jaysie » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:26 pm

yeah, it's a brave move. Well done, Is the spacial design working out for you?
I will browse those links. Thanks.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby pico » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:46 pm

Jaysie,

I can understand your nervousness. I went back to college to study architecture when I was 33. On the whole, it was a very positive experience. I thoroughly enjoyed it, it changed my life and gave me many valuable life experiences taking me all over the world. However, there were many times when it was not easy, financially or emotionally.

Firstly, I think you should seriously consider why you want to make this move. An art directors job, whether you are in advertising, publishing or film bears little relationship to that of an architect’s. The architect may be romanticised in films but in reality it is a job that involves long hours and not particularly good pay, especially compared to other professions.

It is 5 years minimum (most people take more) and that is just to get your B Arch. Then you start at the bottom of the ladder in a practice, and have to work your way up. A couple more years and then you achieve your Part III, so you are probably looking at the best part of 10 years to becoming an RIAI Architect.

Secondly, you should think about whether you have the required qualities. Now, what they are I’m not sure. Off the top of my head - an ability to conceptualise, communicate, draw and open minded enough to work consecutive all nighters …..( anybody else?). If you only have ‘some tiny aspects of drawing’, I would work on that. Maybe go to an evening drawing class. You will need a portfolio to get into any architecture school.

The two established Architecture schools in Dublin are quite difficult to get into, and also the first year intake is all 18 / 19 year white middle class, so you might want to look at one of the new schools (Waterford and Limerick) or at one of the 50 odd schools in the UK where there is far more diversity ( and places!). As far as I am aware, there is no part time study in this country but in the UK , some courses offer part II part time.

If you are prepared for all that, then go for it. It is very rewarding (job satisfaction wise) and I do not regret my career switch. You will meet lots of great people and come to see the world through different eyes.

If you want more information, you can PM me

Good Luck
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby Bren88 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:15 am

pico wrote:Jaysie,

I can understand your nervousness. I went back to college to study architecture when I was 33. On the whole, it was a very positive experience. I thoroughly enjoyed it, it changed my life and gave me many valuable life experiences taking me all over the world. However, there were many times when it was not easy, financially or emotionally.

Firstly, I think you should seriously consider why you want to make this move. An art directors job, whether you are in advertising, publishing or film bears little relationship to that of an architect’s. The architect may be romanticised in films but in reality it is a job that involves long hours and not particularly good pay, especially compared to other professions.

It is 5 years minimum (most people take more) and that is just to get your B Arch. Then you start at the bottom of the ladder in a practice, and have to work your way up. A couple more years and then you achieve your Part III, so you are probably looking at the best part of 10 years to becoming an RIAI Architect.

Secondly, you should think about whether you have the required qualities. Now, what they are I’m not sure. Off the top of my head - an ability to conceptualise, communicate, draw and open minded enough to work consecutive all nighters …..( anybody else?). If you only have ‘some tiny aspects of drawing’, I would work on that. Maybe go to an evening drawing class. You will need a portfolio to get into any architecture school.

The two established Architecture schools in Dublin are quite difficult to get into, and also the first year intake is all 18 / 19 year white middle class, so you might want to look at one of the new schools (Waterford and Limerick) or at one of the 50 odd schools in the UK where there is far more diversity ( and places!). As far as I am aware, there is no part time study in this country but in the UK , some courses offer part II part time.

If you are prepared for all that, then go for it. It is very rewarding (job satisfaction wise) and I do not regret my career switch. You will meet lots of great people and come to see the world through different eyes.

If you want more information, you can PM me

Good Luck

I agree with most of what pico said, except he was a little hard on the schools.
Granted most of the first year entrants are school leavers, but mture students are taken on too. and most of them are probably in their twenties too, bu only because most mature applicants are. I think i heard there was a first year aged c.50 in UCD this year. Its easily done.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby jaysie » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:13 pm

Will I ever be 100% certain that this is for me? The ultimate question. At the moment I'm not convinced, and entering into a possible 8 -10 years study without that certainty terrifies me at this moment in time. This is why I believed that part time study was the only way to test the waters.

Outlining the realities of what I may be facing helps me navigate my way through these decisions. Thank you so much for that Pico.

I do work in film, where, as you guessed, the Architect is somewhat glorified. They get immersed in fantastic projects from grandure to incredible detailing - and yes, this is where my desire to study Architecture springs from. However, stupid as this may sound, I'd prefer to make my mark in the real world rather than in enclosed studios.

I do a life drawing course in the evenings and have a portfolio from 4 years in Art College. But in the meantime, maybe I should specialise my portfolio more towards observation drawings, and Architectural interests until my 'ultimate' question is answered.

It's great to hear that your decision bears no regrets.

big Thanks.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby urbanisto » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:06 pm

Jaysie - I personally found full-time studying at times frustrating. It is essentially designed for younger, less focused students and of course the 'student lifestyle' is paramount. This may appeal to you (as a change of scene for a while) but I would have been just as happy to complete my 4 year degree in 2 years. So much of my degree deals with irrelevant stuff just used to pad out the programme. Im not sure the same can be said for the design degrees but its worth taking into consideration. Sometimes, part-time is better.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby pico » Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:25 am

You will never be 100% certain and just have to trust your judgement. However, you could use the next year to prepare, financially and skills wise, and at the end of it be more clear on the path you should take.

Earn and save as much as you can and see about grants from your local council.

Read about architecture, a good introduction is Rasmussen's Experiencing Architecture, and maybe visit the architecture library at Richview, UCD and browse through magazines such as Architectural Review, El Croquis and Detail.

And continue practicing your drawing, honing your eye for detail, in and out of classes.

Whether you decide to take the leap or not, it will all be valuable experience.....
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby martinm » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:12 pm

hello i am in the same boat as yourself.but i am more than 30 !!! i am starting arch technology course in september.i have searched the net and i dont think there is any partime architecture courses available here in ireland.i have spent 13 years in construction so hope it should be of benefit to me.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby Bren88 » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:01 pm

martinm wrote:hello i am in the same boat as yourself.but i am more than 30 !!! i am starting arch technology course in september.i have searched the net and i dont think there is any partime architecture courses available here in ireland.i have spent 13 years in construction so hope it should be of benefit to me.

There are part time post grad courses but as far as i know the under grads are full time.
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Re: Part-Time Study?

Postby BradleyDalton » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:54 am

Hi

Students select part-time studies because they're busy with jobs, families or other responsibilities. Plus, part-time students often choose afternoon or evening classes to fit their schedule. Studying part time means it will take longer to complete your program, but it will allow you to reach your educational goals.

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