Developments in Cork

Re: Developments in Cork

Postby PVC King » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:41 am

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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Spinal Tap » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:25 pm

Holiday I hope - no sign of him here lately since the thread was split up ?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby jdivision » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:54 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:Holiday I hope - no sign of him here lately since the thread was split up ?

He was around earlier in the week. By the way is anybody else having private message trouble? I got two email notifications that I had pms in my account but when I logged on there was no sign of them. I needed them for something I was doing workwise
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby daniel_7 » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:44 pm

surely dunnes aren't going to take 140000sq ft on pana, when you put it in perspective with tescos in wilton which was, not sure if it still is the biggest supermarket in the country at 32000sq ft?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby A-ha » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:08 pm

daniel_7 wrote:surely dunnes aren't going to take 140000sq ft on pana, when you put it in perspective with tescos in wilton which was, not sure if it still is the biggest supermarket in the country at 32000sq ft?


Maybe they are going to use some for offices. I can't see Dunnes operating 140000 sq ft.... especially when there is one across the road in Merchants Quay. Perhaps they might close that when they open the new one. The one in MQ would make a great H&M.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby PTB » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:53 pm

I agree. I only realised that that Dunnes was there two or three years ago. I always seemed to float past it and not really notice it. The first time I saw it i looked in and it wasn't very busy but on my way back to the bus stop I looked into the Merchants Quay one and twas packed. I dont it does much buisness.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby malec » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:03 pm

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Retail

Postby Radioactiveman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:50 am

The fact Dunnes have two outlets in close proximity in Cork City is perfectly standard and is common around the world. The two outlets serve (at the moment) wildly different purposes. The redevelopment of its Patrick Street store and surrounding space will see the company push its image into the realms of Roches and Debenhams- with whom it really wants to compete, not its historical competitor Quinnsworth/Tesco.

<img src="http://www.weddingjournalonline.com/uploads/debenhams_logo.jpg">
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/RochesStoresLogoPhilipO.PNG">

So, as one Cork retail giant makes even more progress, another looks set to disappear from the retail scene, and our major cities for good. Media reports this morning suggest that Debenhams are almost certain to acquire the lease of all of Roches Stores properties. This includes prime department stores in Waterford, Cork and Limerick amongst others.
Roches move out of retail has been on the cards for many years, with the stores now merely a collection of individual third party retailers such as Topman, Pull and Bear, etc. 'Roches' has for a good many years been just a name over the door.
<img src="http://thumbs.photo.net/photo/3037308-sm.jpg"> <img src="http://www.dunnesstores.ie/images/companyhis_building.gif">
Its unfortunate that another Irish Retail giant is to dissapear and it is also unfortunate that Patrick Street will become further cleansed of any link to Cork's retail past. It makes the realisation of Dunnes' Patrick Street development even more important.
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Re: Retail

Postby Spinal Tap » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:28 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:The fact Dunnes have two outlets in close proximity in Cork City is perfectly standard and is common around the world. The two outlets serve (at the moment) wildly different purposes. The redevelopment of its Patrick Street store and surrounding space will see the company push its image into the realms of Roches and Debenhams- with whom it really wants to compete, not its historical competitor Quinnsworth/Tesco.

<img src="http://www.weddingjournalonline.com/uploads/debenhams_logo.jpg">
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/RochesStoresLogoPhilipO.PNG">

So, as one Cork retail giant makes even more progress, another looks set to disappear from the retail scene, and our major cities for good. Media reports this morning suggest that Debenhams are almost certain to acquire the lease of all of Roches Stores properties. This includes prime department stores in Waterford, Cork and Limerick amongst others.
Roches move out of retail has been on the cards for many years, with the stores now merely a collection of individual third party retailers such as Topman, Pull and Bear, etc. 'Roches' has for a good many years been just a name over the door.
<img src="http://thumbs.photo.net/photo/3037308-sm.jpg"> <img src="http://www.dunnesstores.ie/images/companyhis_building.gif">
Its unfortunate that another Irish Retail giant is to dissapear and it is also unfortunate that Patrick Street will become further cleansed of any link to Cork's retail past. It makes the realisation of Dunnes' Patrick Street development even more important.


Its a pity to lose the indidgenous Cork retailers from our main streets as Dublin could now be Nottingham or Leeds with its "High" street Uk rertailers.We have very little in Cork city to attract tourists and a unique streetscape with local retailers is always something worth having.Roches move must have been on the cards for a long time as their Wilton store is stuck in 1978 !

Personally I think that there are way too many Dunnes Stores around Cork.Asuperquin or a few more M&S would be a nice change.
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Re: Retail

Postby phatman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:31 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:Its a pity to lose the indidgenous Cork retailers from our main streets as Dublin could now be Nottingham or Leeds with its "High" street Uk rertailers.We have very little in Cork city to attract tourists and a unique streetscape with local retailers is always something worth having.Roches move must have been on the cards for a long time as their Wilton store is stuck in 1978 !

Personally I think that there are way too many Dunnes Stores around Cork.Asuperquin or a few more M&S would be a nice change.


Not sure about Superquinn, but M&S definitely. I agree, it is a pity Roches are bowing out.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby jdivision » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:45 pm

A-ha wrote:Maybe they are going to use some for offices. I can't see Dunnes operating 140000 sq ft.... especially when there is one across the road in Merchants Quay. Perhaps they might close that when they open the new one. The one in MQ would make a great H&M.

Dunnes homewares collection will probably take up a significant amount of the space there, then there'll be the usual drapery and grocery. Sounds about right to me.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:51 pm

:eek: Following on the vote taken last year to ban residential units over 3 stories, proposed by FF’s Cllr. David McCarthy (passed by two thirds of councilors but never implemented by city manager, Mr. Joe Gavin) another proposal in the same vein is to be voted on tonight, a motion by Cllr. Mary Shields FF is to call for a blanket ban on units over 3 stories in Cork.
“Fianna Fail the developers friend”…not in Cork city it would seem?
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby phatman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:51 pm

kite wrote::eek: Following on the vote taken last year to ban residential units over 3 stories, proposed by FF’s Cllr. David McCarthy (passed by two thirds of councilors but never implemented by city manager, Mr. Joe Gavin) another proposal in the same vein is to be voted on tonight, a motion by Cllr. Mary Shields FF is to call for a blanket ban on units over 3 stories in Cork.
“Fianna Fail the developers friend”…not in Cork city it would seem?


Hahahahah, you can only laugh. This is a joke right? Some people are so ignorant, so conservative, so old-fashioned it amazes me. This is such a generalisation, just like the generalisation of speed limits, in being non case-specific resulting in excrusiatingly and exceedingly slow speeds on wide safe roads!
This is so lame.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby kite » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:01 pm

phatman wrote:Hahahahah, you can only laugh. This is a joke right? Some people are so ignorant, so conservative, so old-fashioned it amazes me. This is such a generalisation, just like the generalisation of speed limits, in being non case-specific resulting in excrusiatingly and exceedingly slow speeds on wide safe roads!
This is so lame.


:mad: Agreed, but when a councillor that would have been (until now) very much pro-manager starts jumping on the CSD bandwagon you can only wonder how long city management can hold the line?
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Re: Retail

Postby A-ha » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:32 am

Spinal Tap wrote:Personally I think that there are way too many Dunnes Stores around Cork.Asuperquin or a few more M&S would be a nice change.


I agree, the amount of Dunnes around Cork is a joke. I am glad that there is no Dunnes in Wilton, Roches is such a change. M&S were to open in Ballincollig but were outbid by Dunnes for the property, it was a shame because another Marks would do really well in the city. Not sure about Superquinn though, but another Next wouldn't go a stray in the city centre. The one there at the mo is sh*t. If Debenhams do buy Roches, does that mean that the smaller stores there will close also, i.e. Liz Claiborne, Top Shop/Man, Pull and Bear etc.? And also, would all the Roches stores be re-branded as Debenhams.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby Pug » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:57 am

and presumably Debenhams in Mahon point would be unsustainable if they have a large footprint in the city centre as well?

alchemys initial planning application to clear the former CMP site was due a decision yesterday i think, any word? it went to further info so that prob pushed it out a bit
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby d_d_dallas » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:31 pm

Ballincollig is much better served by a Dunnes than an M&S. Like it or not Dunnes serves the everyday needs and caters for all whereas Marks is very much the upper end of the market.
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Re: Retail

Postby jdivision » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:50 pm

A-ha wrote: another Next wouldn't go a stray in the city centre. The one there at the mo is sh*t..

Next always is, it's the most overrated retailer in the world. I've been in far bigger ones than the one in Cork and unless they were to bring in their homewares (which is way overpriced for what it is) there's nothing you're missing out on.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby A-ha » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:54 pm

Next always gets bad press for just being another British high street retailer. But some of the ones in places like London and Birmingham don't even resemble Next over here. Large stores with twice the amount of goods for sale, including furniture. I've never seen a Next over here selling furniture. I always thought Woolworths would do well here, but they left the Irish market years and years ago.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby mhenness » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:25 pm

A-ha wrote:Next always gets bad press for just being another British high street retailer. But some of the ones in places like London and Birmingham don't even resemble Next over here. Large stores with twice the amount of goods for sale, including furniture. I've never seen a Next over here selling furniture. I always thought Woolworths would do well here, but they left the Irish market years and years ago.


Woolworths left at a time when the Irish economy was going down the tubes.
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Re: Retail

Postby anto » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:17 am

Spinal Tap wrote:Its a pity to lose the indidgenous Cork retailers from our main streets as Dublin could now be Nottingham or Leeds with its "High" street Uk rertailers.We have very little in Cork city to attract tourists and a unique streetscape with local retailers is always something worth having.Roches move must have been on the cards for a long time as their Wilton store is stuck in 1978 !

Personally I think that there are way too many Dunnes Stores around Cork.Asuperquin or a few more M&S would be a nice change.



Very little in Cork, what about the English Market, an absolute gem that Dublin would love to have!!
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Re: Retail

Postby Spinal Tap » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:34 am

anto wrote:Very little in Cork, what about the English Market, an absolute gem that Dublin would love to have!!



Mr & Mrs Spinal Tap picked up 2 Dutch tourists thumbing from Cobh to Cork on Saturday last and they were asking us what there was for tourists in Cork City.They had done the English market,Shandon,St.Finbarrs and the city centre area in a whole morning ! They loved Cork and thought it was a great city after 3 days in Dublin and being ripped off at Oxygen which was a dissapointment for them but there was nothing for them to do here and keep them in the city apart from bars and restaurants shops etc.We directed them to Kinsale,Clonakilty etc.

Cork needs more visitor attractions :-

Outdoor spaces / parks ah la Park Guell Barcelona
City Quays under utilised for proper paving seating landscaping ( cars parked right up to river ) massive potential.
Maritime Museum in the docklands.
Indoor Aquarium similar to the one in La Rochell France
Arts Museum / Venue like Gateshead or dare I say it Bilbao Guggenheim !
Feel free to add to list

Cork has the jobs,Population and wealth to support a vibrant arts and cultural scene but need to wake up to whats happening internationally in cities of a similar size across the rest of Europe.


B.T.W. Are'nt the new railings at Penrose Quay great next to the new sculpture installation ? They make you realise how bad the railings are across the rest of the City's quays.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby jungle » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:36 am

A lot of the Cok's tourist attractions are at the edge of the Metropolitan Area - Midleton Distillery, Cobh Heritage Centre, Blarney Castle. One thing that Cork needs is a 2/3 day public transport pass (possibly including reduced entry to attractions). Cork City could make a great base for visiting such places, but at the moment this is impractical.

I've seen similar schemes in place in Helsinki and Madrid and there's no reason it couldn't work here.
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Re: Developments in Cork

Postby who_me » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:29 pm

Some great ideas about city attractions there.

One thing I'd love to see here - every Saturday in Recoleta (Buenos Aires) the local artists, crafts-people put up stalls around the paths of the local park. There was some great stuff there, rugs, mats, pictures, sculptures, musical instruments, mates (a traditional kind of tea cup). So you could wander around the paths to do some buying or just browse, or hang around the green areas where there were entertainers - comedy acts with family participation, capoeira etc.

A corner of Fitzgerald park would be ideal for such a regular event. Surely there would be a lot of interest from local artists. (Just as long as they're not just hawking plastic shamrocks and "Kiss me, I'm Irish" t-shirts!)
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Re: Retail

Postby Radioactiveman » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:53 pm

Spinal Tap wrote:Mr & Mrs Spinal Tap picked up 2 Dutch tourists thumbing from Cobh to Cork on Saturday last and they were asking us what there was for tourists in Cork City.They had done the English market,Shandon,St.Finbarrs and the city centre area in a whole morning ! They loved Cork and thought it was a great city after 3 days in Dublin and being ripped off at Oxygen which was a dissapointment for them but there was nothing for them to do here and keep them in the city apart from bars and restaurants shops etc.We directed them to Kinsale,Clonakilty etc.

Cork needs more visitor attractions :-

Outdoor spaces / parks ah la Park Guell Barcelona
City Quays under utilised for proper paving seating landscaping ( cars parked right up to river ) massive potential.
Maritime Museum in the docklands.
Indoor Aquarium similar to the one in La Rochell France
Arts Museum / Venue like Gateshead or dare I say it Bilbao Guggenheim !
Feel free to add to list



I'd always point visitors in the direction of The Cork Gaol in Sundays Well, the Museum in Fitzgerald park, the ogham corridor in UCC and St.Finbarres Cathedral. For a city the size of cork, I believe we have our fair share of visitor attractions. That being said, Spinal Tap has come up with a good Wish List for the city in terms of attractions. I'd add to that as follows:
A national interactive science museum
A national events centre

Notice I said national. There is no reason why national institutions should not be based in Cork, or for that matter Limerick or Galway, etc. This government is determined to decentralise pen-pushers without decentralising any of the good stuff!
Feel free to add to the list and we'll come up with some sort of top 10.
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