a boyle wrote:i must repeat an earlier post. Upgrading roads is in general the worst thing you can do with your money.
Very simply if you upgrad a junction or whatever so that it can cope with an extra 100 cars per hour , you will end up with an extra 110 cars per hour.
Just look at corks histrory (or dublin's ) as we have built more roads the traffic has gotten worse . It is mad but that is how it is. If you want fast roads you have to charge people to use them . plain and simple.
And you have to charge people a lot. Consider would you still have the same traffic jams if you charged a fiver through the tunnel ? People might object but have they considered the time they waste sitting in their cars .
Say you are paid 30 euros an hour . well if you spend an hour going to work , wouldn't it be in your interest to pay a five euro toll and so only spend ten minutes commuting and work for fifty minutes ? You are up anyway ?
don't follow dublin experience it is a bad bad experience. you need group transport group living and group working : a city
Angry Rebel wrote:Presumably as part of the work on the flyover, the lanes have been repainted on the Magic Roundabout and now make sense! They don't disappear or merge anymore and should result in less crashes.
So simple....why couldn't they have done it years ago?!
Originally Posted by THE_Chris
I'm no engineer, but I've thought a fair bit about how to make that roundabout freeflow without modifying the tunnel much.
All you have to do is take the current east-west N25 run and put THAT in a tunnel underneath the current roundabout. Then you could get rid of the roundabout and put freeflow slips everywhere to solve the current problems.
THe traffic lights were a stopgap.
It will get bad again.
Opening the Kinsale Road flyover will jam the tunnel up like mad.
Opening the 694 house development in Glanmire will make it worse.
Opening the north ring will make it even worse.
Yes, we're talking Red Cow Of The South with that roundabout. I dont think people realise just how bad its going to be in a few years time.
A-ha wrote:From what was being talked about a few months ago, it would be a commuter style service to be used by both locals and tourists with each boat capable of holding about 20 passengers, maybe more, I'm not sure. It sounded like a good idea but I haven't heard anything since.
Angry Rebel wrote:Does that mean that the City Council will provide the service or that they think it's a good idea and that someone else should provide it?
I don't see the need for it to be honest. The No 2 bus goes along the same route, and will do so faster. A ferry/taxi is restricted to 6 knots from Blackrock Castle up to the city centre. (Unless the operator can do some very fancy footwork with the Port of Cork). [6 knots = 7 mph!]
New intercity rail fleet launched
10 July 2006 12:06
The new intercity rail fleet to run between Cork and Dublin has been launched by the Minister for Transport, Martin Cullen, with the promise of an hourly train service between the two cities from December next.
In all, 67 new carriages will see a capacity increase of over 80%, or 16,000 seats, available to customers every day.
The intercity trains were built in Spain and will replace 20-year-old rail stock.
The purchase of 217 carriages at a cost of â‚¬440 million will mean the transformation of the fleet from being the oldest in western Europe to the newest.
The renewal programme is funded by the Government under Transport 21 and will be completed by 2008.
An additional 150 intercity rail cars at a cost of â‚¬322 million will be delivered by companies in Japan and Korea.
These will come on track over the next two years and will serve routes from Dublin to Mayo, Galway, Limerick, Kerry, Sligo, Rosslare and Waterford.
a boyle wrote:i am sorry thomond , but i cant agree. cork airport is has barely a few million , simply not enough to justify such an investment.
There is huge dishonesty on the part of all politicians as to what is needed and appropriate for ireland. I would argue forcefully that cork limercik and galway would be much better served by an eastern railway shuttle service and one single airport at shannon. cork has already burned sackfulls of money on a beautifull white elephant of an airport terminal , please don't compound the problem!!
Closing cork airport and introducing a fast shuttle service to shannon would be overall a sustainable answer. Such a trainline could be built with a short travel time. cork to shannon is only 128 km.
Instead of squandering 180 million on this terminal , that would have gone some way to building a 200 km/h trainline from cork to shannon. Then the travel time would only be some 35 minutes or so .
malec wrote:Sorry but I can't see at all how cork airport doesn't need this new terminal. Last night when I came back from Geneva (through Amsterdam) there were 9 planes parked there, 3 in front of the current terminal and the rest beside the new one. When we got inside it was absolutely jam packed at the luggage reclaim with around 4 times more people than what's supposed to be there. I know I'm not quoting any figures or anything but from my arrival yesterday this new terminal look like plain common sense.
you need to look at this on a national basis. cork has enough to support a small airport . but if shannon was connected with a railway line to galway limerick and cork it could no doubt support 20 million people a year.
a boyle wrote:you need to look at this on a national basis. cork has enough to support a small airport . but if shannon was connected with a railway line to galway limerick and cork it could no doubt support 20 million people a year.
you would need to have two track the whole way between cork and galway. If you built them to 200 km/h spec. it would only take about 40 minutes. That is no skin off anyone's nose. It take much longer to get to dublin airport from parts of dublin.
but if you had it in shannon it would be within reach of all the people on the eastern side of the country , a big number.
the reason i say that the hundred and eighty million (a number that appears to be in dispute , but even if it cost only 80 million it doesn't matter). Yes say it cost eighty million. Well ryanair built on in germany with the same capacity for 18 million. I understand that what is built in cork has plummeted the airport in debt , which the 'company' is petrified of. So i think i can safely say the money was squandered.
If you wanted to spend 180 million on cork , having built a railway line to galway, you could build a short light rail route which passed by the busiest parts of cork. That would be better for everyone.
In is a bit obnoxious but germany did it and they have no traffic jams. You do not build roads trains airports where people are currently going or would like to go. You built these things where you want people to go. !! So if you look at a map of the german motorway system there are almost no direct motorway connection between cities. It is a tough idea to get your head around but it is the right way to do things (it just pisses off a lot of people until it is done ---> of course that is how you know you are doing the right thing!!)
Development plans for Cork Airport were formulated in consultation with airlines and their representatives, and their combined views significantly influenced the ultimate plan.
Many of the issues at Cork have their roots in its original 1950s design, which left it too small and constrained to handle the growing demand from new and existing airlines, and to cater adequately for the stringent safety and security measures required of international airports. We had proposed a less ambitious expansion at Cork, but the airline users vehemently objected and demanded a new building rather than the planned extension to the existing building. A consultation process resulted in a plan that met the airlines' requirements as well as meeting all other associated demands for infrastructure, utilities etc.
But let me address Ryanair's specific cost comparisons of the development at Frankfurt Hahn and at Cork.
Firstly, the new terminal at Cork will cost €]
Then, regarding Shannon airport:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/06/25/story15278.aspShannon to lose €10m following US departure
Sunday, June 25, 2006 - By Niamh Connolly, Political Reporter
Politicians were warned last week that Shannon Airport’s viability was in doubt, and its separation from the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) was unlikely to take place in the foreseeable future.
The largest carrier of US military personnel through Shannon, World Airways, will move its primary stopover for flights to Leipzig in Germany. GaryMcGann, chairman of the DAA, told an Oireachtas committee last week that Shannon’s ‘‘significant underlying losses’’ were masked by the impact of US military traffic. He said costs were too high and out of step with Dublin and Cork airports. McGann did not quantify the losses but said that the revenue from the US military flights was ‘‘shoring up’’ income at Shannon by between €7million and €9million a year.
The Sunday Business Post has learned that when military activity is stripped out, Shannon Airport’s losses amounted to €2.25 million for January and February of this year. The withdrawal of the Shannon stopover this November, which is expected to cost at least €4million a year in revenue, puts the airport on an even more insecure financial footing. The airport still needs money for capital expenditure on buildings, its airside ramp and runway. Maintenance costs are expected to run to €10million over the next six years. ‘‘Shannon is not viable; it’s losing money,” McGann told the committee last week. ‘‘In the last year or two, it has been supplemented in its income because of military traffic.
There’s no prospect of Shannon being viable at all in the next number of years; hence no prospect of separation.”