Disgraceful - Glanmire to be ruined

Disgraceful - Glanmire to be ruined

Postby THE_Chris » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:09 am

Say goodbye to the last fairly unspoilt town on the east of Cork city.

In the Examiner today, they said planning permission had been granted for a possible 694 houses near Dunkathel house near Glanmire in Cork.

Fucking terrible. I agree one-offs are no good for the country, but come on. Taking one of the most scenic areas near cork and stuffing almost 700 houses onto it is disgusting.

This country is going to the dogs.

Planning permission granted for 694-home development

By Seán O’Riordan
ONE of the country’s largest builders has been granted planning permission for a €210 million development, less than 300 yards from where another of his major proposals was turned down by An Bord Pleanála.

O’Flynn Construction has received permission to construct 694 homes in Glanmire, Co Cork. Also included in the package is a crèche, three commercial units, tennis courts and play areas.

Cork County Council granted permission for the project at Ballinglanna, just a stone’s throw from the historic Dunkathel House, where the same company recently lost a battle with local residents to develop.




After a three-day hearing, An Bord Pleanála decided last April that it wouldn’t allow O’Flynn Construction to build 527 homes at Dunkettle. The company had initially sought 100 more houses on the same site, but Cork County Council reduced the number it would allow.

Objectors, including Glounthaune Community Association, said the road infrastructure in the area was totally inadequate and couldn’t support the volume of traffic such a project would generate. They also said that footpaths in the area and lighting were inadequate, as was the green space left for recreation.

Last night, a spokesman for O’Flynn Construction confirmed that the company was preparing to resubmit alternative plans for the Dunkettle site. He wouldn’t say how many houses the company was seeking to build there, but it is understood it could be up to 600.

However, it is expected that a number of objections will be made by individuals and community groups to Bord Pleanála about the Ballinglanna project.

The planning appeals board turned down the Dunkettle project because it felt it was ‘premature’ without the necessary infrastructure being put in place.

Cork County Council sought significant contributions from O’Flynn Construction in development charges for its Dunkettle plans, but Bord Pleanála inspector Conor McGrath criticised the local authority for seeking too much money from the developer.

In addition, O’Flynn Construction was told by the council to fund out of its own pocket the development of roads to accommodate the Dunkettle project.

At the time, managing director Michael O’Flynn said the appeal board’s findings were encouraging and he would look at revising his plans for Dunkettle.


http://www.irishexaminer.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=7238-qqqx=1.asp
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Re: Disgraceful

Postby Praxiteles » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:54 pm

Well, well.

Do I take it that we have a matter of self interest here, Chris? You have my full sympathy and support. I am sure the FOSCC would be glad to advise you on how to conduct a stream line case with an Bord P on a shoe string budget while taking on a commercial goliath - that is if you ask them nicely.
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Re: Disgraceful

Postby Dieter » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:50 pm

THE_Chris wrote:Say goodbye to the last fairly unspoilt town on the east of Cork city.

In the Examiner today, they said planning permission had been granted for a possible 694 houses near Dunkathel house near Glanmire in Cork.

Fucking terrible. I agree one-offs are no good for the country, but come on. Taking one of the most scenic areas near cork and stuffing almost 700 houses onto it is disgusting.

This country is going to the dogs.





Glanmire Riverstown was designated as a satellite town in the Cork Land Use and Transportation Study in the 1970s and that this policy was confirmed in the Cork Area Strategic Plan in 2000? In all the development plans for Glanmire over the past 30 years the eastern boundary of the town was defined by the bypass. Millions of taxpayers’ money has already been spent on the infrastructure for this new town? There is a housing shortage and land in the suburbs of Cork is selling for €3m per acre. It seems quite reasonable that permission would be granted on the limited amount of land that is zoned and serviced for development.
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Re: Disgraceful

Postby Praxiteles » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:13 pm

Land at 3 million per acre......reasonable?

Is Dieter by any chance talking in terms of the inter war Reichsmark?


Sirius, surprisingly, is right. The country is gone to the bow-wows!
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Re: Disgraceful

Postby Dieter » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:49 pm

Praxiteles wrote:Land at 3 million per acre......reasonable?

Is Dieter by any chance talking in terms of the inter war Reichsmark?


Sirius, surprisingly, is right. The country is gone to the bow-wows!


It is a question of fact...not of reasonableness

" A religious order is to get over €25million for the sale of 7 acres of land in Cork.. The Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus & Mary have agreed sale terms on four lots of their extensive 40 acre landbank at Bessborough in Mahon....CCM gave a price guide of €1.5 million an acre, but sources say the deal has been agreed at over €3.5 million an acre". Irish Examiner Thursday 22nd June 2006 page 32

There is clearly an acute shortage of development land in the city environs and prices will rise even further if permission is refused on land already earmarked for development.
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Re: Disgraceful

Postby lostexpectation » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:32 pm

Dieter wrote:It is a question of fact...not of reasonableness

" A religious order is to get over €25million for the sale of 7 acres of land in Cork.. The Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus & Mary have agreed sale terms on four lots of their extensive 40 acre landbank at Bessborough in Mahon....CCM gave a price guide of €1.5 million an acre, but sources say the deal has been agreed at over €3.5 million an acre". Irish Examiner Thursday 22nd June 2006 page 32

There is clearly an acute shortage of development land in the city environs and prices will rise even further if permission is refused on land already earmarked for development.



and what percentage of the former sisters of the poor land be social housing?
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Re: Disgraceful

Postby sw101 » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:31 am

lostexpectation wrote:and what percentage of the former sisters of the poor land be social housing?


that's for the council to negotiate with the developer. it has nothing to do with whether the development should go ahead or not.
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Re: Disgraceful - Glanmire to be ruined

Postby PVC King » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:03 pm

I agree that your interpretation is correct but there has been a history of Local Authorities using large and often inappropriate developments to reduce their social housing lists. But in terms of Bord consideration I have yet to see that type of planning gain given weight.

I will shortly add Dunkettle to roundabouts and that is prior to this proposal being built
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Re: Disgraceful - Glanmire to be ruined

Postby Pug » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:45 am

if the dunkettle 600 houses was refused due to inadequate infrastructure and that it would add to the huge traffic jams already there ( which by the way is a sign of very poor road/transport planning), then how was 694 houses granted at Ballinglanna which is further in to Glanmire and fronts on the Dublin rd which will bring the traffic down in to the Dunkettle roundabout?:confused:
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Re: Disgraceful - Glanmire to be ruined

Postby d_d_dallas » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:53 am

Part of the reason the Dunkettle dvt was rejected was down to an absence of design and amenity - surface carparks, single aspect units, poor orientation etc. If O'Flynn wants to get this thing through he needs to invest in the notion that people will actually have to live in these houses when they're sold.
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Re: Disgraceful - Glanmire to be ruined

Postby phatman » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:39 pm

d_d_dallas wrote:Part of the reason the Dunkettle dvt was rejected was down to an absence of design and amenity - surface carparks, single aspect units, poor orientation etc. If O'Flynn wants to get this thing through he needs to invest in the notion that people will actually have to live in these houses when they're sold.


Lol, a fact all too often forgotten by developers. Seriously, the standard of housing in this country is appalling, such a lack of imagination and flair. It would take so little effort for developers to adopt a more interesting and visually appealing template, seeing as they all seem to be working off the same sheet anyway, with no extra cost, just a firm kick up the ass.
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