Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:39 pm

Hi all. Just wondering if it is possible to ask to see a planner's report after they've made a decision on a retention application.

Any advise on this most appreciated.

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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby jackscout » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:47 pm

Normally 3 days after a decision has been made the relevant reports are put on the planning file, so it should be possible to see it.
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby ConK » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:12 pm

http://www.pleanala.ie/

you can download the full report from here.
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:57 pm

I read the Bord Pleanala page http://www.pleanala.ie/public2.html but basically I'm looking to know if I can view a planner's report that was decided upon a few days ago by my local authority planning department. This wouldn't have gone to An Bord Pleanala.

Thanks for the info.
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Postby lexington » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:02 pm

Coexist wrote:I read the Bord Pleanala page http://www.pleanala.ie/public2.html but basically I'm looking to know if I can view a planner's report that was decided upon a few days ago by my local authority planning department. This wouldn't have gone to An Bord Pleanala.

Thanks for the info.


Once an application has been decided upon, you are entitled under the Freedom of Information Act 1998 to view a report by a planner. You simply have to visit the Local Authority Planning Office and request the planning application number. Which L.A. are you interested in out of curiosity may I ask?
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:07 pm

Tipperary North.
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Postby lexington » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:23 pm

Coexist wrote:Tipperary North.


I like their new Civic Offices by the way.

If you visit this link here -> http://www.tipperarynorth.ie/iPlan/InternetEnquiry/rpt_QueryBySurForRecLoc.asp

And enter the planning application number in: Planning Number section, the appropriate file should come up. To read the report scroll down the page to View Conditions and the planning report should open in a new browser window and as a Microsoft Word Document (.doc) file.
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:49 pm

I've found the page and viewed the link where conditions are attached. Basically as I've posted another query on Enforcement maybe you might be able to answer this one. As an enforcement notice was issued against an unauthorised development that arose from the original file mumber and as a consequence retention was applied for and as is the case was given a new file number. As retention was granted under conditional permission, that is, the same conditions that applied to the first application are basically repeated in the retention one, I wondered can retention be aplied for again and is the initial enforcement notice still applicable.

Phew, tough one. :confused:
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:49 pm

What I meant to say is is it possible to be able to view a planners report to see in effect how they reached their decision?
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Postby lexington » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:32 pm

Coexist wrote:What I meant to say is is it possible to be able to view a planners report to see in effect how they reached their decision?


The planning report generally outlines the process through which a decision was made - i.e. problems cited and the recommendation through which a decision is derived in the event of such issues. Some reports online may only state conditions - in this case, it is worth a trip to the planning office where the full records of events should be available within the planning report.

Re: a further application, if reasoning behind the initial conditions aren't addressed, reapplying will generally ensure the same outcome conditions as the previous application - and as such, it's a waste of your own money. I would recommend that you assess the conditions and if you're not satisfied with them, approach the remedies to the application with respect to the conditions - if re-application outcomes still do not suit your motives, there is always the option of appealing the conditions to An Bord Pleanala, provided you have a good case to argue the conditions.
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:04 pm

Thanks lexington. You've been very helpful and not for the first time either.

I'm glad that they're are people of your knowledge here to make understanding the planning process a little easier for those of us that have never been down this road before.

Do you know anything pertaining to enforcement notices.
As an enforcement notice was issued against an unauthorised development that arose from the original file mumber and as a consequence because retention and a new file number was issued and conditional permission granted, does this new application therfore dismiss with the enforcement notice that was applicable on the original file number?


Yes, as soon as I gather the facts I believe I may consider taking this case to An Bord pleanala.The Enforcement Notice is a vital element and if it's lost then I feel that what seems over as a result of the retention permission may indeed have only opened another avenue for the applicants to prolong this case even further.
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby lexington » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:27 am

Coexist wrote:Thanks lexington. You've been very helpful and not for the first time either.

I'm glad that they're are people of your knowledge here to make understanding the planning process a little easier for those of us that have never been down this road before.

Do you know anything pertaining to enforcement notices.


Yes, as soon as I gather the facts I believe I may consider taking this case to An Bord pleanala.The Enforcement Notice is a vital element and if it's lost then I feel that what seems over as a result of the retention permission may indeed have only opened another avenue for the applicants to prolong this case even further.


No problem ;) -

regarding the enforcement notice - I suppose I'd have to see the report to be honest, I don't know the details of the situation but I would assume that where a subsequent application was lodged and granted, even though the previous application was subject to enforcement, the more recent application would have standing over the original (???), in that in deliberating the newer application the planners would have taken into consideration the site/application history including any enforcement activity - like I said I don't know the ins and outs of the particular situation. However, you should keep in mind that if you wish to seek an appeal, you have only about 4 weeks post the local authority decision to lodge an appeal so if that is the course of action you wish to take, make sure you don't miss the deadline.
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Re: Can I request to see a Planner's report?

Postby Coexist » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:21 pm

Thanks lexington. You've been very helpful and I appreciate it.
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