Look at de state of Cork, like!

Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby mickeydocs » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:58 pm

Lillie wrote:Hi All
new to this site as of today. Quick query for all you experts out there - anyone know how academy street got its name? Have done some research in the city library local history reference section to no avail.
BTW - I'm involved in branding and visual design and particularly interested in how brands for developments/buildings etc can be more meaningful, coherent and sympathetic to the architectural vision and function as well as performing a marketing function. But if we acknowledge that branding is about possessing specific real estate in a consumer's mind (to slightly misquote one of the brand gurus) does this forum see any successes or failures in this regard in Cork?



Hi Lillie, this thread has moved to the Cork City Architecture Forum.

I believe the Crawford Art Gallery used to be the Academy of Arts, so the name of the street may well be related.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby lawyer » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:13 pm

I thought that the Crawford Gallery was the old Customs House
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Re: Frinailla Victoria Cross Development

Postby opus » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:13 pm

lexington wrote:You will remember earlier a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.

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Nice to finally see the sort of apartment that people get in Europe making its way to Cork :) I helped somebody find a flat in Munich last year and they all had the underground parking & a nice big lockable storage area in the basement.

As a matter of interest who's involved in selling the Eglinton St development or is it way too early for that?
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby lexington » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:52 am

Sherry Fitzgerald will be handling residential sales on Eglinton Street.

Agreed about the Victoria Cross apartments.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby daniel_7 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:45 pm

:confused: how come there is no one posting any news or discussions anymore?any news for us lexington?I read in the paper recently that Owen O'Callaghan is still confident on developing an evants centre in Mahon,where does this leave mph on the horgan quay site?Joe Gavin said recently that we should see movement on the docklands very very soon!anyone have an idea what he is talking about?
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Postby lexington » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:22 pm

Hi daniel7,

the news is still on-going. The continuation of this thread can be found at Look at de state of Cork, like! 2: Cork Architecture & Development. A new thread was opened up - I suppose in some ways it was inevitable either way given the size of this thread that a 2nd thread would likely have to be created. There was actually a discussion held about it on this very thread some time ago - a link is provided on the first post of the new thread back to the Look at de state of Cork, like! thread for reasons of referencing. This thread will remain so that none of the information and details it contained are lost.

Sorry about any confusion.
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This thread is continued - please visit us there. Same contributors, same discussions and hopefully some improvements. There's plenty of news on-going.

Look at de state of Cork, like! 2 @ Cork: Achitecture & Development

P.S. Any votes for the new thread would be welcomed!!! :D Contributors were most generous with this thread and I hope it continues! It's the input that makes it so interesting I think.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Planogram » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:38 am

domosullivan wrote:re: footlocker - What is wrong with Cummins Sports and Finns Corner?
re: Dixons - Soundstore and Flor Griffin?

You may have a point but in terms of retail I am not sure I want Cork to become another Leicester/Derby/Belfast/etc. I live in the UK and find the average regional high street to be extremely boring. I love coming home to Cork and see some "retail independence" ,



From a retailing perspective, it can be quite difficult for chain stores from outside Cork to establish themselves within the city. This is primarily due to the fact that at least three large chain stores started in Cork: Dunnes Stores, Roches Stores, and Musgraves (Centra Super-Valu). Add in the fact that a large number of specialist mini chains, (Cummins Sports, Mahers Sports, Welsh Sports, Sound Store, FLor Griffin, etc.) and you will quickly gather that any incoming chain will look to establish itself in a location where the competition from indigenous retailers is not as strong, (Galway, Limerick, Waterford, etc.)

When a company is founded in Cork, it tends to think of the city as it's home turf and can be quite agressive in fighting off incoming retailers. This is particularly true in the case of Dunnes, and to a lesser extent some of the other retailers mentioned above.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby A-ha » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:37 pm

Tell me about it, there are more Dunnes in Cork then there are people in China. Maybe if you posted your message into the Cork:Architecture and Development forum, you might have better luck in getting responses. Nobody really uses this thread anymore. :)
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Planogram » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:15 pm

A-ha wrote:Tell me about it, there are more Dunnes in Cork then there are people in China. Maybe if you posted your message into the Cork:Architecture and Development forum, you might have better luck in getting responses. Nobody really uses this thread anymore. :)



Well, I've been reading it for some months now, and just decided to post a response to it yesterday. The fact that I had been testing a new store locator software package which connects with a retail accountability management system had nothing to do with it.

Basically if you input all the criteria regarding demographics, competitors, potential competitors, your own existing stores etc., etc, the system will produce an ideal location for you. Right now, Cork is not really coming in very high on the "no competition" side of things.

And with regard to "nobody reads this thread anymore, don't put yourself down.

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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Planogram » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:23 pm

For those interested, here is a brochure about just one of the many retail locator packages out there. Based on GIS and Census Data, these systems are becoming more and more important. However the great variable is when a retail chain uses the software to identify a good site, and an incumbent retailer outbids them for the site just to keep them out, and then locates there themselves.

http://www.esri.com/library/brochures/pdfs/gis-for-retail.pdf


I understand that this happened in Ballincollig, where the anchor tenant is not the one which was originally booked for the new Shopping Centre.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby ShaneP » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:21 pm

That's a fairly interesting sounding product. I gather Starbucks have a strategy whereby they locate 2 coffee shops in close proximity to a successful existing establishment, Knowing the market can't sustain 3 cafe's, it's simply a matter of waiting for the existing business to close down and they can then take over. Is it possible Dunnes Stores are employing similar thinking around the country. Spare a thought for all those proud Cork family businesses, next time you're sipping a harmlessly nice grande-semi-demi-treble-skimmed-double-iced-frappe-lattecino!
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Boyler » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:05 pm

That's a mouthful....
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby dave123 » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:07 pm

What's a mouthful?
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby ShaneP » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:20 pm

This? a harmlessly nice grande-semi-demi-treble-skimmed-double-iced-frappe-lattecino! - served fresh to you in a poisoned chalice!
I'll stop now........ .
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby dave123 » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:59 pm

I stil don't see what the fuss is about ?
there is not much wrong with saying that as it has humour and not personal nor relate to a problem.
Boyler ot you being serious ? lighten up a little!
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby A-ha » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:13 am

I'm lost, lol.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Boyler » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:21 pm

I was only making a statement, dave 123. I'm way too young to be bitter and serious and wouldn't want to be anyway. Maybe you are being a little bit too serious....... Only joking!!!
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby speakeasy » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:26 am

WOW! It's been almost three years since I visited this forum. My only thread was "Look at de state of Cork, like". I never thought it would grow to over 1,800 replies! I set Corkonians on an architectural expressive rampage! It's great to see. It's like leaving two gerbils in a cage with loads of food and water and coming back in a few weeks to find... well... 1,800 gerbils! :P

Anyway I was wrong about Lapps quay, it's actually quite impressive. However I stand over my distain for the Anglo Irish Bank building on Anglesea Street and it's surrounding new buildings which dwarf The Market Bar. I wonder whats going to be built on the sorting office site. Anyone know?
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GAA Stadium Cork

Postby MrO50 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:02 pm

"It would great if Cork could host some of the Heineken Cup games, so it would be great to have a multi-purpose sports facility... maybe the GAA should think outside of the box for once and invite IRFU and the FAI into discussions." and various other threads relating to the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh......

Ironic that the GAA is the only one actually leading on this issue at the moment by opening up Croke Park. In Dublin South Dublin Co Co is building a new municipal 'multi-purpose' stadium for soccer use (& potentially rugby given the pitch dimensions) but too small for Gaelic Games by order of the Minister for promoting sport and recreation.
The government is also funding the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road to the tune of €191m as a 'national stadium' and it now transpires that the 'value for money' is less than originally announced in that the new national stadium won't host Gaelic Games....the national sports...
No objection from FAI or IRFU here!
Looks like the €100m the govt invested in Croke Park was a great deal only €25m per sport (hurling, football, soccer and rugby) with capacity of 82,500 compared to €95.5m per sport with capacity of 55,000.
Need the government to lead with provision of multi use stadium.
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby ronnie » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:54 pm

dowlingm wrote:Hopefully the entire corner can be developed, not just Reliance. Isn't the old chandlery (can't remember what's there now), the dogs home and a garage? surely all can be relocated. It's a bit of a mess traffic wise with the bus station across the way.


Hi Am from Dublin living in Canada also, Ontario!
Jus t reading on Cork. Are they going to mess it up like Dublin?:confused:
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Sarah M » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:09 pm

hi ya! i was wonderin if anyone could help me? im an interior architecture student and for a project i have to choose a modern/ post modern/ post post modern building in cork city. So basically any buildings from the mid 40s to the 80's. it would be great if someone could tell me any buildings from this period as i was googlin 4 ages without joy!!
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby Bob Dole » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:01 pm

Any type of building in particular?
Would you try one of the universities/colleges?
e.g. the science building in U.C.C., much of C.I.T.?
or a church of some sort? e.g. that church in Turner's Cross?
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Re: Look at de state of Cork, like!

Postby bosco » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:53 am

lexington wrote::) On a far more positive note - for those interested in what the new Kino Cinema development for Washington Street is due to look like (planning pending - the decision is due on Thursday 14th of Oct 2004) - visit http://www.ddesign.ie/projects.htm -> then go to the 3rd button under the title 'Community' and click on Load Images.

I have to say, the development looks superb. Considering the space the new development is due on, it has been well utilised - it falls in line with the same height as other buildings neighbouring it (instead of the existing ground floor only) and brings a dynamic swing to an area undergoing exciting development.


Bad news for movie-goers in Cork as the Kino arthouse cinema is to be put up for sale immediately following the forthcoming Cork Film Festival.


Cork's Kino arthouse cinema to close over debt to architects
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1028/1224257552324.html
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