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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Devin » Fri May 06, 2005 12:01 am

Yes, that one is gone, isn't it? The bastards - they've been slyly removing them here and there & replacing them with fake muck...three also dissappeared from O'Connell Bridge at around the same time; one each on the pavement near the south quays, and one directly outside the ICS building.

There's one remaing on the Westin side of College St., near the D'Olier St cnr, three on the other side of College St. & two on D'Olier St. (six altogether).
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby GrahamH » Fri May 06, 2005 12:14 am

I've been gathering some info and pics about these lampposts and others in the city centre - hope to have something soon...
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Devin » Fri May 06, 2005 12:18 am

Sorry Phil, I had my screen brightness down low cos it's burning my eyes, but there are actually TWO concrete Art Deco lamps there...even worse!! :mad: They once lined O'Connell/D'Olier/Westmoreland/College Streets & around into College Gn. a bit too. Most of them seem to have been removed in the early '80s. They were priceless & should never have been touched :mad: :mad: .
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby GrahamH » Sat May 07, 2005 3:48 am

Agreed - I think they look particularly well in this area, a little enclave of posts :)
These were one of my first memories of the city, coming over a bridge and then 'those' lampposts and 'that black building' (facade of Trinty's accomodation block) - combined they scared the hell out of me for some reason, they just looked really sinister and frightening :o

Annnnyway, the remaining ones shouldn't be touched, indeed they need to be restored. Fitted out with bright halogen bulbs they'd be much more effective at lighting the streets than most of the stock at the moment.

Here's one of those two replica posts going in in 2003:
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Morlan » Sun May 08, 2005 6:23 am

On the subject of the trees in College Green... those trees really need to be removed from BOI.

This pic that I posted in the O'C thread will show how intrusive they are. It's impossible to get a decent picture of BOI present day. The clutter!

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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Devin » Sun May 08, 2005 11:04 pm

'Fraid it won't be happening for quite a while.....'til major traffic calming is worked out for the Gn.

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Whatever about the removal of the majority of these in the early '80s, the removal of several as recently as 5 years ago is totally unacceptable. And it begs the question; what did they do with them after removal? Are they being carefully stored or were they just smashed up? Does their concrete construction mean removal inevitably results in chipping/breakage to the lamps, preventing re-use? Any which way, removing them was a prime example of official cultural vandalism.

Graham, I look forward to the info you've gathered on lamps in the city centre ('got some of my own too). Where will it be going, a new thread or an existing one?
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Devin » Sun May 08, 2005 11:23 pm

Sorry....have only just seen it now in O'C St. thread!! :)
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby phil » Mon May 09, 2005 11:16 am

To replace those lamps with reproduction 'heritage' lamps displays a very warped sense of history. I wonder should we question the CC about where they went to?
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby GrahamH » Mon May 09, 2005 7:45 pm

On one level it is warped indeed, but I think it is important to note that these silver lampposts are much more than just heritage pieces of furniture: they are as much a part of Dublin as red telephone boxes are to London. And I presume that in some areas of that city brand new boxes have also been installed over the years in places where needed not because they're olde worlde, but because they embody the city in a manner like nothing else.

Likewise in Dublin, in fairness to the City Council, the erection of these lampposts in appropriate places is generally executed in this spirit rather than in that of a yearning for the days of yore as is generally the case with pastiche concoctions.
Saying that, there is absolutely no defence for what has happened on College Street and D'Olier Street - they were/are the last remnants of a piece of street furniture once seen all over the city centre and ought to be/have been preserved in situ, and as a complete entity.

That's a great pic you posted there Devin, I never noticed that very fine curved detail on the side elevation of the arches before - very Art Deco.
Note all the dirt accumulated on the floor of the lamps :)
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby PVC King » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:35 am

With the Port Tunnel set to open in a few months time and the end of the HGV nightmare on the City Centre Quays how much attention will the main Chapter of this report receive does the forum think?
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby a boyle » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:16 pm

you won't see the attention to detail necesary to bring improvements in dublin unless you had a minister for dublin , or a mayor with some power , or a council that could tax you to some degree
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Morlan » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:23 pm

A few more bins and seats on the quays. Job done.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby hutton » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:47 pm

Morlan wrote:A few more bins and seats on the quays. Job done.


Rofl:D

Dublinspirations is an excellent publication + one that An Taisce should rightfully be proud of.

Since the boardwalk has been constructed, I reckon theres a case to be made that the river side foot path should be removed, which would then mean that the path in front of the shops and buildings could be doubled in width: Any takers?

Unfortunately, to get back to TP's point, I would guess that 90% of vehicluar traffic along the quays is not HGV. That traffic is likely not only to remain, but thanks to this governments crap car-favoured policies, is in fact probably going to get worse :mad:

Sorry to piss on the parade :(

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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Frank Taylor » Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:30 pm

hutton wrote:Since the boardwalk has been constructed, I reckon theres a case to be made that the river side foot path should be removed, which would then mean that the path in front of the shops and buildings could be doubled in width: Any takers?
Interesting idea. The boardwalk should be raised to the same height as the footpath. As it stands, it is not overlooked and leaves passers by in fear that they will be mugged. Nothing unique to Dublin; if you venture down for a stroll by the banks of the Tiber, you are at risk from Italian toilet-traders and the like.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby a boyle » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:12 pm

Yes that is an interesting idea. I would favour simply pedestrianising the entire length of the liffey north and south , with one lane kept for buses.

Although alot of planting would be needed to make the liffey a nice place to be . !! ! it is usually very windy due to the tunnelling effect of the buildings either side of it , in my experience.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby GrahamH » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:24 am

Though there are a great many mature trees already along the northern quays at least.
It's an interesting idea to extend the inner pavement alright, but is there demand for it? On Eden Quay yes, but moving westwards fewer and fewer people use it - at the end of the day everyone wants to walk along the river where possible. Unless they've a destination on the inner quay, and let's face it there's very few of them, people will migrate towards the water.

From an architectural/aesthethic perspective it'd be more desirable to develop the river side with regular planting and paving - remembering that the Boardalk only comprises a section of one side of the Liffey. As pleasant an amenity the Boardwalk is, I wouldn't want its localised presence to spoil the chances of developing the existing quays for the majority of the city. As such, if this means duplicating the role of the Boardwalk where it exists on the other side of its quay wall, then maybe this should be done.

To be honest I'm not sure - just a bit irritated at the Boardwalk pulling people out of the city when the quays could be developed in the longer term; it just stifles that notion really, pushing it way down the line. The Boardwalk is ssentially a temporary measure, chopping the foliage off the weed but leaving the root in the ground to be dealt with another day. A practical and on the whole probably good solution to the city's current needs, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to leave the quays as giant car parks indefinitely. Burgh, Aston and Wellington Quays in particular have great riverside potential

On a vaguely related topic, does anyone know where this water is coming from pouring out from Bachelor's Walk?

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It can't be a storm as it hasn't rained in weeks, and there's no underground streams round here - I think...
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby Devin » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:14 am

Graham Hickey wrote:... the Boardwalk pulling people out of the city when the quays could be developed ...
[The Boardwalk is a] practical and on the whole probably good solution to the city's current needs, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to leave the quays as giant car parks indefinitely.
Exactly! In a city so overrun with traffic as Dublin, you could argue that creation of any new public space should - by definition - involve removal of traffic space. But not one square inch of traffic space was removed to create the Boardwalk! Instead It makes up its own space at the expense of another rare non-motor-trafficked area of the city - the river space.

Don't get me wrong; I like the Boardwalk. There's nothing better on hot days than getting an iced mocha from Coffee Society and sitting on the Boardwalk. But it shouldn't distract from the urgent need to develop the Quays THEMSELVES as an amenity when the Port Tunnel opens.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby StephenC » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:45 pm

Yes I would also agree that the redevelopment of the Quays should consider the whole length. Its important in terms of enhancing the city west of the Four Courts and complementsing areas like Smithfield and Collins Baracks and Soho. Its also necessary to improve the impression people get as they enter the city centre.

I think the benefits of the Port Tunnel have been oversold in this regard though. As mentioned most of the traffic on the quays is cars. But at least removing the trucks allows for greater use of the footpaths whcih are generally unpleasant spaces at the moment as trucks and buses create so much dirt. As the residents of the Bookend Building how they will feel about ahving windows they can see through.

It would be interesting to have some idea of Dick Gleeson's thoughts for the Liffey.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby PVC King » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:04 pm

Good news has arrived in the form that the Port Tunnel is to open on December 20th

I really hope that much of the contents of the Liffet Quays section of this report are taken into consideration in rejuvinating the civic spaces along the City's finest natural asset with the reaccomodation of the nations freight flows.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby PVC King » Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:02 pm

€750m Dublin Port Tunnel opened

20 December 2006 11:25
The Dublin Port Tunnel was officially opened by Bertie Ahern and Dublin's Lord Mayor Vincent Jackson. The first truck went through the tunnel shortly after 10.50am.

The tunnel, which is 4.5km long, has taken over five years to build. It is designed to reduce the number of heavy goods vehicles using the streets of central Dublin.

The tunnel will allow a toll-free journey for trucks and buses between the port and the MI motorway at the Coolock interchange, in less than eight minutes.

It is estimated that, initially, some 6,000 such vehicles will use the tunnel every day.

Although the project is behind schedule and over budget, the National Roads Authority and Dublin City Council are hoping that the tunnel improves the traffic situation in the city centre in the coming weeks.

The Irish Road Haulage Association claims that congestion on the M50 motorway will increase as a result.
The tunnel will not be open to cars until the New Year.


It will be interesting to see the impacts on the City Quays of this much needed investment and just how much scope there is to further humanise this stretch of river.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby weehamster » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:05 pm

Well keep an eye on these and see if you notice any impact. :rolleyes:

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Santry end and the lead up to it as well as the Eastlink

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Wellington Quay & Wolf Tone Quay which leads to the N4/SCR Jtn

AND HERE ARE SOME REASONS WHY HGVs WILL NOT TO USE THE TUNNEL JUST YET

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M50/N2 Jtn , M50/N3 Jtn & M50/N4 Jtn
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Re: Dublinspirations

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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby KerryBog2 » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:15 am

GrahamH wrote:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Dublin1/Dublin%20Archiseek/QuayOutlet1.jpg[/IMG]

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It can't be a storm as it hasn't rained in weeks, and there's no underground streams round here - I think...


Just noticed the above. There is something in the back of my mind about those shops with basements in Henry & Mary Streets all having sumps and pumps to cater for the water soakage that is particularly noticable after high tides. A call to Primark or Arnotts might obtain an answer.
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Re: Dublinspirations

Postby PVC King » Mon May 24, 2010 7:02 am

Devin wrote:It includes graphic visions of how the Quays could look if afforested and how the Phoenix Park could comprehend outdoor swimming facilities and even a beach, along the lines of the Paris Beach project.

Dublinspirations suggests the need for a strategy to regulate and minimise the profusion of visual clutter that has degraded many streets and spaces.



It apears the Parisians have taken the beach idea a little further

French farmers turn Champs Elysees green

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0523/paris.html
Sunday, 23 May 2010 21:39
The Champs Elysees was turned into a huge farm today with plots of plants, trees and flowers laid out on Paris' most famous avenue to focus attention on France's crisis-hit agriculture sector.

Dubbed Nature Capital, the event is expected to draw two million people over the next two days and is organised by the Young Farmers association and the French forest industry.

Over a stretch of 1.2km from the Arc de Triomphe down halfway to the Place de la Concorde, the street is dotted with more than 100 varieties of grain, fruit and vegetables.

AdvertisementThere are also cows, pigs, goats and lambs but in small numbers with a view to showcasing some of the famous breeds such as the enormously fat black-bottomed Limousin pigs, prized for their meat quality.

'We are not there to complain about our situation, but rather to show off our work,' said William Villeneuve, head of the young farmers' association.

He hopes strollers on the Champs Elysees will think about 'what is on their plates and become more active consumers'.

French farmers are already a diminishing breed but one of the worst crises in decades has further unsettled the sector, fuelled by falling prices and rocketing production costs.

President Nicolas Sarkozy's government has offered an aid plan for French farmers with some €1.8bn in loans and €650m in other support payments.

Last month, hundreds of farmers rode into Paris on their tractors, bringing their worries about the future of farming to the capital of Europe's agricultural powerhouse.

Mr Sarkozy has in past months made several trips to rural France, visiting farms and trying to ease the anger of producers who say they are no longer making ends meet.
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About 200 trucks rolled onto the Champs Elysees late last night to unload the trees, plants and topsoil and part of the avenue has been closed to traffic.

Nature Capital was designed by Gad Weil, an outdoor events planner who 20 years ago organised a similar happening that turned the Champs Elysees into a giant wheat field.


Any thoughts on if a similar 'event hosting' of out of the box projects would be an attractive proposition for Dublin?
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Re: Dublinspirations

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