New Dublin Outer Ring Road

New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby lexington » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:21 pm

'Government considering new Dublin outer ring road'
- from: online.ie 2005-02-07 17:00:19+00

The Taoiseach has hinted that the Government is to give serious consideration to building an outer ring road around Dublin.

Speaking at the launch of Adamstown, the new business and residential location southwest of the capital, Bertie Ahern has said preparations must be made for an increase in population and traffic volume.

The suggested orbital route would encircle the existing M50.



Is this really proper strategic planning??? :confused: First Laois, now this.

also, Another billion euros to facilitate the car? Make a bad problem worse? So long NSS.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby sw101 » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:23 pm

Noooooooo.......stupid stupid stupid.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Paul Clerkin » Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:58 pm

The new route is rumoured to follow the outline of the Irish coastline..... ;)
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby sw101 » Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:00 pm

how about a string of car-ferries ringing the country, with wee bridges connecting them all, head to tail. a trip to donegal would begin at dun laoghaire.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby lexington » Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:54 pm

And to think they're wasting all that money on constructing/upgrading the N8/N7 to motorway between Cork and Dublin, sure, just include it in the ring road! Or if not, at the rate at which these ring roads seem to be developing (the Cork Loop gearing up) and now this outer Dublin ring, the country will soon resemble an oversized spirograph.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Lotts » Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:45 am

Is this not just the outer orbital? (Which is already partially built)
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby d_d_dallas » Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:06 pm

Is that the flyover being constructed near Rathcoole?
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby vinnyfitz » Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:47 pm

Lotts wrote:Is this not just the outer orbital? (Which is already partially built)


You are correct.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby hutton » Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:25 pm

Here's a funny thing, we know more roads linked to more roads will create worse traffic chaos, so what will we do? I know lets build another road! Roll on the Outer Dublin Orbital Ultimate Ring-road, or ODOUR for short! :p

Port tunnel will add to M50 chaos, warns toll roads chief

THE €750m Dublin port tunnel, which will take 9,000 trucks out of the city centre, will force 7,000 extra trucks on to the already chaotic M50 motorway, adding to the commuter nightmare. The grim prediction was made yesterday by National Toll Roads (NTR), which operates the controversial Westlink toll bridge on the motorway.



In a special briefing for the Irish Independent, the company offered to finance and build a new tolled outer orbital route around the M50 and an eastern bypass, effectively completing a circle of motorway around the capital. Although the toll booths are coming down when the upgrade of the M50 is completed and tolling switches to an automated system, Kyran Hurley, NTR's deputy managing director, blamed the gridlocked junctions along the M50 for the traffic chaos, and said the toll booths were not responsible.

He pointed out that it was Government policy to extend the tolls on the M50 for another 15 years after 2020 to pay for the planned upgrade involving extra lanes, and freeflow junctions.

The NTR boss called for the upgrade to happen quickly but warned that even with increased capacity the road would be unable to meet demand and there would be congestion.

Labour leader Pat Rabbitte yesterday urged the Government to negotiate the lifting of tolls at peak hours on the M50 during construction work.

It was no longer just an issue for traffic on the M50, but also for commuters from Meath and Kildare who needed to cross the M50, he said.

"But consider what will happen to traffic from every direction when the roadworks start to upgrade the motorway to three lanes. What is now an unmanageable commute will become an unbearable one," he said.

"The toll plaza is aggravating the congestion on the M50 and it will worsen for the duration of the renovation works," he said, urging the Government to sacrifice some of the €15m it earned from the tolls every year to ease gridlock.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Rockflanders » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:18 pm

Was this todays indo? 15th Feb?
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby hutton » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:36 pm

Rockflanders wrote:Was this todays indo? 15th Feb?


Apparently so - see:

http://www.friendsoftheirishenvironment.net/papers/article.php?sid=6539&mode=thread&order=0
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Rory W » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:51 pm

There was a plan mooted that I found very sensible indeed for an outer ring road running from the M1 at Drogheda to the M7/M9 intersection between Naas and Newbridge - far enough out that you wouldn't get the M50 effect in terms of development and all the northern trucks could completely bypass the capital if they were heading for Rosslare, Cork, Waterford and Galway - all made perfect sense to me.

Wonder what happened to this plan
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby jmkennedyie » Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:52 pm

vinnyfitz, Lotts, Rory W, d_d_dallas:
Here is my understanding of new ring roads planned / in construction for Dublin
Outer Ring Road is pretty much a dual carrigeway eventually from N81 Blessington road to N7 Kingswood (new interchange near Baldonnel) to Nangor road (Wyeth) to Lucan South to N4 Lucan (Woodies interchange). The middle bit (N7 to Nangor Road) is now open. Note also, there will be a spur dual-carriageway to Adamstown, along the Cork railway line. Idea is to get local traffic off the M50, but to be honest I reckon it will be hectic when the M50 upgrade kicks in. You can see the route of this road in the SDCC Development plan maps
Outer Orbital Route is what Bertie is referring to (but unfortunately the article or Bertie called it outer ring road). A motorway-class road circling Greater Dublin Region. Something like Drogheda to Navan to Maynooth to Nass / Newbridge, and maybe beyond...was referred to by Frank in Irish Times a year or two ago after a visit to nra. Here's a little nugget of info from Minister of Transport in 2004 .
Hope this helps!
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby vinnyfitz » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:05 pm

Thanks JMK
Lots of coverage on this today arising from Cullen's feasability study announcement. Smacks of by-electioneering really.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby kefu » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:36 pm

If you think two or even three ring roads is bad, have a look at Beijing, which has seven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Roads_of_Beijing
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby jmkennedyie » Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:08 pm

No probs.
Yep, saw the news. (Dept. of Transport press release for those interested). Unfortunately they too refer to the Outer Orbital Route as the Outer Ring Road. :-(
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Nelly » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:18 pm

Perhaps the government should start looking at the root cause of traffic congestion in Dublin - namely that so many people in the greater Dublin area work in the city. Look at the M3. This is being built why? To give those in North Meath/Cavan etc. better access to Dublin. If only the jobs where dispersed nearer to North Meath/Cavan in the first place, none of this chaos would be neccassary.
Decentralisation should really be the first step, and I don't mean moving civil servants around. New industries need to be encouraged to locate somewhere further away from Dublin. And that would solve a lot of problems. Dublin and its suburbs are swallowing up the surrounding counties anyway, so at the present rate the ring road will soon end up being part of Dublin rather than going around it.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby StephenC » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:24 pm

Aaah no. Lets just build more roads. Sure its great fun! Sure you cant stop development!
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Sean Carney » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:20 pm

Madness, London one ring road, Dublin two, my goodness, the irish can not plan a country to save there lives.
I'm Irish but seem to be the only one with common sense and the only one who can see what the real problem is.
If you put everything belonging to a country into one city what do you get, problems, easy.
Decentralise, not just a few government departments, that is not decentralisation.
Use this money to construct a new capital, move judicial services to another city, move legislative services to another, build regional parliments/assemblies.
That will solve Dublins traffic problems, congestion, overcrowding, encourage people to move to other parts of Ireland.
Bottom line, u Dubliners wanted everything, you got everything, now live with the conciquences and shut up complaining.
If you bought a five bedroomed house and put everything into the living room and then complained about how cramped the living room was, would this make sense.
Then you came along and built a second door into the living room because you could not enter due to everything being cramped in there, would this make sense, well this is Ireland!
What you do is spread things around the entire house, common sense.

Wake up Ireland, if you want an example of this look to New Zealand and stop making excuses.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby kefu » Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:20 pm

Yeah Sean you're the only one with common sense. Fair play to you.
Move the capital to Castlebar.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby PVC King » Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:23 pm

kefu wrote:Yeah Sean you're the only one with common sense. Fair play to you.
Move the capital to Castlebar.


Nah,

The City of the Sacred Heart has an Airport at Knock.
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby Rory W » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:28 pm

Sean Carney wrote:Madness, London one ring road, Dublin two, my goodness, the irish can not plan a country to save there lives.
I'm Irish but seem to be the only one with common sense and the only one who can see what the real problem is.
If you put everything belonging to a country into one city what do you get, problems, easy.
Decentralise, not just a few government departments, that is not decentralisation.
Use this money to construct a new capital, move judicial services to another city, move legislative services to another, build regional parliments/assemblies.
That will solve Dublins traffic problems, congestion, overcrowding, encourage people to move to other parts of Ireland.
Bottom line, u Dubliners wanted everything, you got everything, now live with the conciquences and shut up complaining.
If you bought a five bedroomed house and put everything into the living room and then complained about how cramped the living room was, would this make sense.
Then you came along and built a second door into the living room because you could not enter due to everything being cramped in there, would this make sense, well this is Ireland!
What you do is spread things around the entire house, common sense.

Wake up Ireland, if you want an example of this look to New Zealand and stop making excuses.

Enough of the Dub bashing - bypassing the entire county/conurbation is a better idea than funnelling all the roads to it - ludicrous the idea tha to get to Carlow or Waterford from Drogheda/Dundalk/Belfast you have to go through the M50 (or essentially backroads) a larger bypass is needed.

All roads lead to Dublin because literally all roads do lead to Dublin
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby suzy61 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:57 pm

Yet everyone still wants to move to dublin. Who do you think all the new houses are being built for????!!!!!And yeah, the roads are desperate, loads of houses are being put in and no infrastructure whatsoever. You build a new housing estate, you should HAVE to contribute to the upgrading of existing transport-I mean buses and trains etc,- or provide new transport-stations, etc, like the estate being built near Howth, beside the railway line.A new station is being put in as part of that development. Means more overcrowding on the trains, but at least it's a start....
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Re: New Dublin Outer Ring Road

Postby P11 Comms » Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:01 am

suzy61 wrote: You build a new housing estate, you should HAVE to contribute to the upgrading of existing transport-I mean buses and trains etc,- or provide new transport-stations, etc, like the estate being built near Howth, beside the railway line.A new station is being put in as part of that development. Means more overcrowding on the trains, but at least it's a start....


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