RIAS "Best Building in Scotland" Award

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RIAS "Best Building in Scotland" Award

Postby button monkey » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:22 am

Any predictions for the winner, or views on the shortlist?

All are modest projects - Murphy's Eastgate Theatre in Peebles, Gehry's Dundee Maggie's Centre, The Lotte Glob House by Gokay Deveci and St Aloysius Clavius Building by Elder and Cannon.

The Eastgate Theatre was slagged off in the Scotsman today by the secretary of actors union Equity, and the chairman of the Federation of Scottish Theatres, for the poor visibility from sections of the auditorium.

The Lotte Glob house is lovely, but it's a private house - should this win the title of "Best Building in Scotland"? Also, why wasn't it even visited after it was entered into last year's award?

And if Maggie's wins, the debate will begin again about whether it only won because it is a Gehry building.....

Do any of these buildings deserve the title of Best Building in Scotland?
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:01 pm

of course a private house should be able to win the title of "Best Building in Scotland"?

might encourage a few prospective house builders to get adventurous and hire an architect
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Postby space_invader » Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:12 pm

it's a meagre showing.

if gehry wins, it'll be embarrassing because the building is 'okay' at best - it's by far the poorest of the maggies so far completed, with the best one being page and park's number in glasgow.

this is the prize's final year anyway - it'll go out with a whimper by the looks of it.

or a bang - so yes - they'll give it to gehry.

(i say it's the last year this time as the sponsor, andrew doolan, died earlier this year. also he had only committed to the prize for three years anyway (this year being the third). if sponsors for next years show cannot match the 25 grand prize (deliberately 5 more than the stirling, to make a point that scots' buildings were never nominated for riba's gong) won't the cultural cachet also be devalued? there is no way a single sponsor in scotland is going to put up the cash - perhaps a consortium of some kind - or perhaps if every architect in scotland put a couple o' pound into the kitty, we'd manage about a 20,000 prize – but only if they can afford it)

the private house is very nice - my favourite of the buildings listed - but it doesn't seem like scotland's best building - just as an turas shelter didn't seem like the best building in scotland last year - both great projects, aesthetically challenging, culturally rich etc. but the best the nation has produced?

and elder and cannon's school? aye - but it's so ‘old school’ and I think this type of approach to architectural form is actually limiting the development of alternative ideas. The scottish architectural scene is so hung up on Mcmodernism at the moment that it's impossible to see new trends developing here. okay, we've got bdp doing the odd uninspiring blob but generally most 'design' output fall into two categories:

speculative housing guff in some kind of mock style (victorian, baronial, tudorbethan)

or

mc modernism (white (and possibly small coloured patches of) render, timber cladding, small, square cut windows embedded in apparently deep walls) leadworking portions on facade and roof (mono-pitched or butterflied) and nordan windows. this style is most often used on housing or arts projects.

and mc modernism is become mock itself. the grammar (white render etc.) has been appropriated by a growing number of housing developers in order to sway buyers - 'luxury flats', 'loft living', 'contemporary design' - in an increasing competitive market and to convince planners (well, staff in the planning dept - few of them are planners by profession) that they are savvy when it comes to design, urban regen, blah, yuk.

so, any more endorsements for this kind of design (albeit done very well in the case of elder and cannon's school work) would have unfortunate side-effects within scotland's tiny constrution industry.

and the murphy number in peebles - it's just okay, isn't it? it's hardly his best work (i personally love the fussyasfuck tolbooth in stirling) but what with equity complaining about its poor design, any award would simply further distance the public from the profession. and even if you don't think this to be the case, the building is simply not good enough to be thought of as the best in scotland.

So my best scottish building of 2003?

Probably page and park’s pentad building in south gyle business park.

And, no, I don’t work for them.
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Postby button monkey » Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:44 pm

I do like Gehry's Maggie's Centre, but it is hard to tell how much of my positive response to the building was based on both the fantastic location and view, and my emotional attachment to the charity itself. And I agree that Page and Park's Glasgow centre is superior in every way - bar the location.

I also agree that it's inevitable that Gehry will win. My personal favourite is the Lotte Glob house, but unfortunately it hasn't a hope in hell because I just don't believe that the judges work purely on merit. Politics wins. But maybe, hopefully, I'll be proven wrong...
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Postby simple minds » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:57 pm

Think Murphys got it this year, equity or no equity! His stuff is often not appreciated and worthy of a win! Maybe Alans next year perhaps, judging by the press recently.
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Postby alan d » Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:48 pm

God, button monkey......can't think of three judges less likely to be influenced by politics. It's not the RIBA ye know.

Simple minds, thought I might like you 'til you started slagging our bridge.

I think Lotte Glob should win cause it's such a brilliant name for a house....like a kid's plaything all dripping and bouncy and slippery....mould it into anything you like, really. Got an alien life form inside it or a baby dinosaur
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Postby simple minds » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:28 pm

Sorry, if I offended...it the Rogers bridge I was meaning...probably you're right about Lott Glob, but then there's the 'lobbying' and politics involved....
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Postby alan d » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:34 am

ach simple minds, only joking.
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Postby gweilo » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:02 pm

News flash: Elder and Cannon have won it for St Aloysius Clavius Building. Good for them.
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Postby Paul Clerkin » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:46 pm

BEST BUILDING IN SCOTLAND WINNER

"Big, tough, unmistakeably Glasgow" building wins £25,000 prize

St Aloysius College, Clavius Building, Glasgow, designed by Elder and Cannon Architects has won the RIAS Award for Architecture, Best Building in Scotland 2004.

The award was presented today, Thursday 28 October, at Point Conference Centre, Edinburgh by Mrs Margaret Doolan, mother of the late Andrew Doolan who, with the RIAS, created the award in 2002.

St Aloysius College Clavius Building was completed in August 2002 as part of the College's progressive expansion and renewal plan. The "Clavius Building" forms the second phase of the College's masterplan, meeting the requirements for a new Maths, Science and Technology Block for the Upper School, providing 25 specialist cla! ssrooms and related facilities and giving the College flexibility to reorganise the existing accommodation.


GORDON MURRAY, CHAIR OF THE JUDGING PANEL AND PRESIDENT OF THE RIAS said:

"This building is a bold contemporary insertion as an end terrace to tenements in a Conservation Area. The building respects this context but responds to it, creating a dialogue not only with the tenement form but also with the Glasgow School of Art by Mackintosh, its near neighbour. It is an unmistakeably-Glasgow building - big and tough, though full of humanity. It admirably demonstrates how traditional concerns about the integrity of the city can be married to modernist concerns about movement, gathering and an engagement with view and light. That this is done in an urban school is particularly welcome, the daily experience of learning in an environment enriched by the tableaux of a living city."

PATRICIA FERGUSON, MINISTER FOR TOURISM,! CULTURE AND SPORT said:

"I offer my warm congratulations to Elder and Cannon Architects and all those involved in the project.

"St Aloysius College Clavius Building is an imaginative example of how architecture can enrich the lives of those for whom the building is designed. In this case, schoolchildren are learning in an aesthetically pleasing and inspiring environment."


An edition of Artworks, featuring the Award, will be broadcast on BBC2 Scotland at 10pm on 28 October, the day of the announcement.
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Postby alan d » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:15 pm

Yeah, he doesn't half go on a bit.

"Big, tough, unmistakably Glasgow'................ sure we all thought he was talking about himself. :p
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Postby gweilo » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:19 pm

Come on! Elder and Cannon and the Mac. Seperated at birth? Its not a homage to the GSA. Bourdon Building more like!
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Postby space_invader » Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:13 pm

'I think Lotte Glob should win cause it's such a brilliant name for a house....like a kid's plaything all dripping and bouncy and slippery....mould it into anything you like, really. Got an alien life form inside it or a baby dinosaur'

L-O-fuckin-L!

Was an excellent programme. very well presented, structured. far better than RIBA-live-from......

All the buildings looked great.

Those steel rod details on the grotty lob haus - wow! v nice indeed. With no offence to Blast Architecture intended i say the following - this is the house Blast couldn't build for it's Grand Design clients - remember?

but what's with the absence of the architects? i think the public should be presented with a face or four, humanise the profession no?

And why o why o y o y o why do architeks have to say the w o r d

JUXTAPOSITION

whenever on TV?

The only time architects use this word is when they address the public. they never use it among themselves.

Never, I tell you.

And anyone else notice that the unmistakably tough Glasgow guy Gordon Murray was actually scared throughout most of the programme: every building on the list he approached with trepadation, fearing it would be shit. Luckily however, he was pleasantly surprised each time and the fear abated. Skinda like those panic attacks Tony has in the Soprano’s – cept GM getsem when a shit building is near. ;)

McMillan was concise as usual, "there's real merit in that thar roof!' - he said with wild west sheriff-like authority. (smiley, here too). Funnily enough, the same could be said of his own cardross seminary building. Mainly cos that's all that's left of the thing.

Malky the Fraser - "it looks good in the rain" comment may have won him many new admirers, but the facial grimace pulled during the utterances wouldn't have looked out of place with a rubber tyre framing it. Strangley, however, he made no mention of his favourite hip hop tracks. (do we really need smileys when we're just having a laugh?)

And the finnish guy? - typical euro-prof: second floor, every arch. dept throughout UK. respected (but nobody really know by who) but utterly boring.

And of course, the voice: was a bit cheeky, a bit knowing. Was the same voice that related the tale of glasgow’s tall buildings earlier this year. (or was it last?) sexier than mccloud anyway.

Oh man – hope youse is all down low wid me on this one – juss havin me some fun bhoyeeeee…
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