Wolfe tone park

Postby pvdz » Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:45 pm

Sorry LOB, I may have attacked you on Gregf's wording but by suggesting that scateboarders should not be accomadated in any areas mentioned, which are inner city public spaces you seemed to me to be implying what Gregf implicitly stated, that scateboarders should be segregated, except you dont think the corpo should prioritise the building of spaces to segregate them in, So where do these scateboarders go?
I do agree there is damage done by scateboarders, my point was that if the designer was smart enough they would have forseen these activities and provided for them, even by intigrating the scateboarders activities into the programme. Therefore including them into the city and putting paid to Dublin corpo spending a few quid on building the supposed scatepark.
Fair enough too, Jervis park is quite busy on sunny days in summer, but they dont occur to often and it was totally dormant in winter as it was closed off and people could not penetrate it on their path, also their was very little paved areas, so for the other 9 months of the year it was too mucky to go into. Not to mention that it basically needed a huge upgrade as it looked very shabby if not dead, to me anyway.
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Postby GregF » Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:43 pm

I did state that facilities should be provided for skateboarders did I not .....It's just not to have such juvenile facilities built in more established areas of the city....parks and playgounds are the most suitable places not prime streets and squares.....It's common sense is it not.
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Postby notjim » Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:59 pm

There is a park in Bucharest, near the center, with a skate park. It was pretty nice, a lot of fun to walk past. They had a quarter pipe and a few ramps and some features made to look like normal park fixtures, benches and kerbs, only in steel instead of stone. There was a dj and about thirty of forty skate boarders, mostly late teens, some older. It was an interesting feature in the park, and like I say, fun to watch, mostly because skaters have an admirable habit of only trying tricks they can't do, so they are forever falling off.

I guess the point was that it was a big park, there is a problem with small urban parks.
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Out with the new...

Postby JackHack » Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:43 pm

As a frequenter of Jervis shopping center, I've been a looking at Wolfe Tone Park for years, I got a say, it sucks presently!!.

There has been some discussion on this forum about Dublin City Council having an obsession with making everything look modern in style and design, from this Park to O'Connell St. Well while O'Connell St. may work out when it is all finished, this parks is an eyesore.

I think it should be looked upon as derelist and classified as high priority for a makeover, given it's proximity to the cities main commercial shopping street and the new Luas line.

Now, the vision I have for it is a return to some classic town park design, not Dublin/Georgian style, but Spanish style. Most spanish style squares have railings but not the kind that close the park of in a bubble, but instead have low railings which divide pathways from the shrubbery. The parks have a strong social emphasis been both comfortablle places to sit while also designed for plesant to cross through, with the emphasis on Paving, shrubbery and symmetry, but sparse in grass.

The present park here should be ditched along with Ballymuns Pearse Tower.

Just a thought though...
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Postby PVC King » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:33 pm

I am also a fan of Plaza type parks and the American commercial meaning of the word Plaza annoys me.

A proper Spanish style plaza is surrounded by at least two if not four city streets is open by design but has certain boundaries as well to preserve some sense of order. This gives distinct areas to the space and provides for a little more sense of space for those using it as opposed to a yard type atmosphere.

I would really welcome some kind of contemporary water feature to give the park a focal point. A number of low chained rails and some grass behind the chains.

But on balance I would have to say that what was done here was a big improvement on the poorly maintained closed space with dodgy tar paths and poorly maintained lawns that went before.

Also the older of the two PMPA/AXA buildings looks great for its lick of paint.

Construction work at the Church appears to be active again, have there been any developments in the legal status I wonder?
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Postby StephenC » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:05 pm

The lawns are a state, they havent been the same since last years Fringe Festival when the Speilgeltent was put here. If they were better maintained then the park would look much better. The design is quite good and its appropriate to the size and area. The park is also quite well used which is a plus and something that no doubt will increase once the Church development is complete.
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Re: Wolfe tone park

Postby DOR » Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:31 pm

Jas wrote:No fergus, they will not need to, you can already see from the Jervis the blocks that are damaged by the skaters witjh the edges all lopped off, and marked. Personally I'd run over a skateboarder on my bike given the chance.


I know what you mean these skateboarders are sticking with a sport and doing something positive with themselves rather than hanging around there area causing trouble, doing/selling drugs and not really having anything to focus on. Instead there are so many youths spending there time and money on skateboarding/rollerblading, which is having a heavy impact on our soceity today. I know alot of people that have stuck to skateboarding who would have easily continued to go down the wrong path if they didnt. But they make the edge of the bench round so its really not worth it atal. Also many european citys especially barcelona generate a huge amount of money from skateboarding tourism which is probably why skateboarders are aloud in the squares in barcelona. The positives to skateboarders being in these public squares are worth some damages done to the bench if any.

Also please realise we are not remotely similar to goths in any way and dont like that false stereotype atal. And in no way are "non conformists".
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Re: Wolfe tone park

Postby johnglas » Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:21 am

DOR: What you seem to be saying is that 'if we hadn't done skateboarding, we'd have done drugs' - quite a statement and totally unprovable, not to say daft. As far as urban squares are concerned, skateboarders and cyclists are both the bane of Jo(e) Public.
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Re: Wolfe tone park

Postby aj » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:22 am

hate this park... always reminds me of the scence in Schindlers list all the headstones pilled up.
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Re: Wolfe tone park

Postby Bago » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:45 am

Love it myself, the evergreen oaks are beautiful, bit of a pity just bland ol decidous trees planted in the revamp, love the feel of this square, the crushed gravel, the old brick walls, a rare mediteranean feel in Dublin.
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Re: Wolfe tone park

Postby onq » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:37 am

johnglas wrote:DOR: What you seem to be saying is that 'if we hadn't done skateboarding, we'd have done drugs' - quite a statement and totally unprovable, not to say daft. As far as urban squares are concerned, skateboarders and cyclists are both the bane of Jo(e) Public.
You may have a problem, but you don't solve it by wrecking the public realm.


I think your comments about "skateboards or drugs" may be inappropriate.

You live in Glasgow, a town that has one of the highest HIV infection rates in Europe through drug use, second only to New York at one point and no doubt similar to Dublin's at this stage.

Anything that keeps kids off drugs is to be lauded, although I admit its cold comfort when you see damage to public installations.

And of course its not just drugs that cause the problem as we saw in Drogheda over the weekend with the 17-year old stabbing people indescriminately in the street after being refused from a night club.

Now we see the three swimming pools being closed down - we may see an influx of skateboarders to all parts pretty soon.
Why aren't we seeing some insulation company adopting each pool and showing how the heating bills could be kept down and running the facility for a year?
If we're not pulling together we'll all fall apart.

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Re: Out with the new...

Postby onq » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:42 am

JackHack wrote:As a frequenter of Jervis shopping center, I've been a looking at Wolfe Tone Park for years, I got a say, it sucks presently!!.

There has been some discussion on this forum about Dublin City Council having an obsession with making everything look modern in style and design, from this Park to O'Connell St. Well while O'Connell St. may work out when it is all finished, this parks is an eyesore.

I think it should be looked upon as derelist and classified as high priority for a makeover, given it's proximity to the cities main commercial shopping street and the new Luas line.

Now, the vision I have for it is a return to some classic town park design, not Dublin/Georgian style, but Spanish style. Most spanish style squares have railings but not the kind that close the park of in a bubble, but instead have low railings which divide pathways from the shrubbery. The parks have a strong social emphasis been both comfortablle places to sit while also designed for plesant to cross through, with the emphasis on Paving, shrubbery and symmetry, but sparse in grass.

The present park here should be ditched along with Ballymuns Pearse Tower.

Just a thought though...


Fantastic idea for a public square and it would add hugely to the visual amenity of the urban landscape.

I support rejection of sterile modernist boxes with their new beetling overhang look - what's that trying to do - intimidate people? Sheesh!

Up the road from here on Parnell street the planner got such a fright when he saw the East end of the multicreen cinema site he requested the architect for the other end to revise the design after details had been approved, stating that he didn't want to see any more Belfast Industrial in Dublin.

That's why the shops on Ryder's Row reflect a more traditional, classical approach.

FWIW

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Re: Out with the new...

Postby gunter » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:04 pm

onq wrote:. . . I support rejection of sterile modernist boxes . . . . .

. . . . . a more traditional, classical approach.
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Can ONQ be making an architectural comment . . . . after all this time?

. . . . and it reveals that ONQ and CK could actually get on very well :)
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Re: Out with the new...

Postby onq » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:07 am

gunter wrote:Can ONQ be making an architectural comment . . . . after all this time?

. . . . and it reveals that ONQ and CK could actually get on very well :)


I hate dumb box architecture - satisfied?

(well, that's not entirely true, there is some I actually like)

I'm just not prepared to be a member of some watered down pseud's corner.

(now we'll see the fur fly...)

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Re: Wolfe tone park

Postby hutton » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:30 pm

aj wrote:always reminds me of the scence in Schindlers list all the headstones pilled up.


Agreed - also the way grave stones form a quasi pavement on the west side; is it because the slabs were belonging to Protestants? Should never ever have been allowed happen.

Re skate boarding, more facilities should be provided. We tolerate living in a city where authorities paid out of our taxes are too much full of a no-can-do mentality, when if it wre the private sector, the reverse can be true.

Merchants and businesses around here, and the city centre in general, are in favour of such facilities being provided for kids, provided they are properly planned.

Instead of which such facilities, that give youngsters other options than wasting their time getting stoned, are not provided - and instead of which 200 metres up from here, the Dept of Justice is trying to illegally develop a 15,000 sq ft probation facility for "persistent offenders" from the "greater Dublin area" (see thread in Dublin forum). I also note the announcement of closure of the swimming pool on nearby Seán MacDermot Street

So instead of sports facilities for kids, such as skate-boarding ramps, we get a no-can-do attitude from tossers paid for out of our taxes... Just remember the city manager is on €210k p.a. + bonuses & expenses, reflecting the telephone figure salaries that many of the senior execs are on - many of whom i.m.o. are out-of-touch with the needs of the real economy, unaccountable, and all too often incompetent.
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