Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

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Postby Morlan » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:18 pm

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Cobbles necessary? We're losing symmetry.

Updated route map showing cut n' cover and elevated sections.
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Warning over any cancellation of Metro North

06 March 2011 By John Burke and Nicola Cooke

Ireland’s credibility in managing major procurement projects would be dealt a serious blow if the incoming government cancelled the Metro North project, according to an internal memo prepared by senior transport department officials.

The Fine Gael-led administration has only two viable options concerning Metro North: to cancel the project or to approve it immediately, according to the briefing document which was drafted in recent weeks for the outgoing government.

The memorandum, which was obtained by The Sunday Business Post under the Freedom of Information Acts, strongly advances the argument against delaying the project. ‘‘There is a strong view that a further delay to Metro North is not an option," it states.

Any decision to axe the long awaited 18 kilometre route would ‘‘undermine the credibility of the Irish government as a counterparty to PPP [Public Private Partnership] deals’’.

‘‘The PPP process commenced three years ago [and] the PPP bidders have invested substantial amounts in bidding for Metro North and continue to spend money keeping their teams mobilised," it says.

‘‘If the project does not proceed based on this competition it is highly unlikely that bidders with the requisite skills would invest the substantial sums required again to put another bid together," the memo says.

In addition to undermining Ireland’s credibility as a partner in PPP deals, any decision to cancel the project could also have a ‘‘serious impact’’ on other major infrastructure investment projects and on deals in other sectors, the memo says.

The memo said the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) provided the national transport authority with an update to its business case in December, indicating that the cost-benefit ratio was still at 2:1 - meaning €2 returned in revenue for every €1 spent.

Dealing with the question of whether the Dart Underground project should proceed ahead of Metro North, the memo went on to say that while both demonstrated strong economic cases, it was ‘‘significant’’ that Metro North had reached implementation stage, while the planning approval process for the Dart Underground project could take 12 months or more.

An Bord Pleanála granted planning approval for a railway order last October, but did not grant permission for the last three stops and train depot at Belinstown.

As a result, the RPA is now redrafting plans to submit a new application for a depot at the end of the line in Dardistown.

However, the agency is ready to begin ancillary works on the project - such as realigning utility lines and moving city centre monuments - but the outgoing government did not sign a commencement order for this.

The Sunday Business Post previously revealed that one of the bidders had given serious consideration to quitting the process because of the ongoing delays with it.

The Celtic Metro and Metro Express consortiums have both invested several million euro in the project over the last five years.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby missarchi » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:04 am

Does that include the the Irish Times extension?
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby EIA340600 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:21 am

Morlan wrote:
Cobbles necessary? We're losing symmetry.



I think the big purple tram hurtling down one side of the street might do a job on the symmetry too...
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Morlan » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:06 pm

http://www.fingal-independent.ie/news/m ... 19980.html
METRO North is set to be delayed by a number of years, overhauled and rebranded, as the Government looks to deliver a light railway for north Dublin on its own merits.

The Fingal Independent can exclusively reveal the Fine Gael-Labour coalition is considering temporarily shelving the project, before proceeding with an inclusive revised scheme under a new name, which will incorporate the DART interconnector and possibly Metro West.

Of the three major rail projects currently under consideration, the connection of the Luas lines (BDX) is the likeliest to be given the goahead this September, when Transport Minister, Leo Varadkar, announces the results of a viability review, highly-placed sources have said.

Local TD and Minister for Health, Dr James Reilly, refused to be drawn on the proposal, but admitted the funding problems had to be addressed in order to move the project forward.

'I, as a Minister in Dublin North, am still of the view that this project is a vital driver for new business and jobs for Dublin North and the economic corridor from north Dublin to Dundalk,' Minister Reilly said.

Meanwhile, a rally in favour of Metro North will take place outside the Department of Transport on Thursday. METRO North is set to be delayed by a number of years, overhauled and rebranded as the Government looks to deliver a light railway for north Dublin on its own merits.

The Fingal Independent can exclusively reveal the Fine Gael-Labour coalition is considering temporarily shelving the project, before proceeding with an inclusive revised scheme under a new name, which will incorporate the Dart interconnector and possibly Metro West.

Of the three major rail projects currently under consideration, the connection of the Luas lines (BDX) is the likeliest to be given the go-ahead this September, when Transport Minister, Leo Varadkar, announces the results of a viability review, highly-placed sources have said.

'It is being considered at the moment that the Metro North project as we know it will be overhauled and the interconnector and Metro North may be integrated and delivered as the one project,' a source said.

'Some elements of influence will be that the Metro North brand is now perceived to be 'negative' because of the uncertainty surrounding it and the current Government are considering rebranding the project and stamping their own mark on it, rather than delivering on a Fianna Fáil-led proposal.

' This is expected to drag out the delivery of the light rail network into north Dublin for several more years and in September, the Government will look at a restructure to deliver it and the interconnector as one plan.

'BDX will be going ahead to serve the Grangegorman campus where all the DIT colleges will be relocated. It's the most deliverable at the moment.

'This may even throw a lifeline to Metro West. Metro North needs to go ahead for Metro West to happen, but with it being in the constituency of Minister Leo Varadkar and Minister Joan Burton, with restructuring, they could be looking at it as one big picture.'

Local TD and Minister for Health, Dr James Reilly, refused to be drawn on the proposal, but said the future of Metro was dependent on funding.

'The Metro North project will be part of the review of all capital projects, which is not due out until September,' Minister Reilly said.

'I, as a minister in Dublin North, am still of the view that this project is a vital driver for new business and jobs for Dublin North and the economic corridor from north Dublin to Dundalk.

'Funding problems have to be addressed in order to move this project forward.'




http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city ... 18949.html
NEW York-style yellow cabs could soon hit the streets in Dublin.

The National Transport Authority (NTA) has proposed a "distinctive external branding" for the taxi fleet "such as a single colour".

The suggestion forms part of the NTA's public consultation process on vehicle standards for the taxis, hackneys and limousines.

If the regulation was to be introduced, the colour would have to be decided on at a later date, with yellow a possibility. The change would apply in Dublin and countrywide.

Other changes to be considered include a requirement to renew taxi licences every six months for vehicles more than nine years old.

The NTA also suggests imposing an upper age limit of 14 years for vehicles beyond which the drivers would not be issued with licences.

WRAP

In addition, it is proposed to exclude pick-up trucks for use as taxis and ban tinted windows.

But the most eye-catching change is the proposal to impose a standard branding "such as a single colour, 'vehicle wrap' or decal".

Submissions from members of the public on the proposals can be made up to August 5.

Taxi regulator Kathleen Doyle said: "As ever, we are aware that we need to strike a balance between achieving standards that offer the customer confidence, comfort and safety, and allowing industry members to operate successfully in the economic circumstances.

"We want to hear from everyone that has an interest in the industry, including drivers and passengers.

"We will also be meeting stakeholder groups nationwide to get their feedback."

submissions

She added: "In addition, the Government's taxi regulation review steering group will be more wide-ranging in its approach ... particularly in relation to vehicle standards. However, this consultation process, carried out by the National Transport Authority, will feed into the review group and submissions will be incorporated as appropriate into the review group's findings and recommendations."

The NTA said a new code of regulations for vehicle standards was expected to be introduced on a phased basis starting in the first half of 2012.

The proposal on the colour of taxis was first mooted a number of years ago but was abandoned because of the high cost involved for drivers. The suggestion had formed part of a 2005 report on the taxi industry by Goodbody Consultants but was never implemented.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby StephenC » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:16 pm

Hadnt heard anything about this but...t'would appear that Third Rail technology is a viable (if slightly more expensive - €18m - option for Luas BXD. A report commissioned by An Bord Pleanala has cast doubts on the RPAs claims that it wouldnt work. The report can be viewed via DCBA site http://www.dcba.ie/?p=536
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby GrahamH » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:19 am

Yes this was published about six weeks ago. An emphatic, independent declaration that third rail is viable in Dublin in spite of all the RPA has done over the years to try and bury the issue, and specifically that it is operable in the BXD context with its special constraints, including shared vechicular environments and traffic crossing perpendicularly over the tracks. Only the issue of cost and some minor concerns about retrofitting some parts of the tram fleet raise their head, both of which can be ironed out when taking account of the enormous scale of the project and the prestige it would bring to Dublin if executed correctly.

A number of third parties issued responses to the Board following from the publication of the report, which forms part of a wider submission of further information by the RPA including the design of the Dawson Street platforms. A decision should be due fairly shortly one imagines...
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby PVC King » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:45 pm

Graham - you are right on the money; it is a question of cost. Increase business rates along the City Centre section of the route to pay for it; between say Dawson Street and the top of O'Connell Street. There will be a massive uplift in trade when the Dundrum catchment has a choice between the mega mall on a rainy day and posing outside A & F's new MSU on College Green when the sun shines. I can say with 100,000,000% certainty there is no way Westminster City Council would ever permit a wirescape outside their Burlington Gardens masterpiece. Why should College Green through to OCS be any different?

What should be a project we all endorse without reservation in principle should not be botched.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby GrahamH » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:30 pm

Well the Board has ruled.

It is official.

Dublin will forever be a third rate capital, with modest, provincial continental cities having greater civic aspirations and design pretensions in how they position a sandwich board than the entire twitterati that run public life in Ireland.

The Board has decided, while recognising the full merits of the observations of the above-mentioned independent report on third rail powering of Luas BXD, that: "the Board did not consider it appropriate to impose a condition requiring the provision of [an] alternative power system in the city centre".

It would appear that a submission by Dublin City Council's drainage division swayed matters - the same Dublin City Council whose corporate position is to favour third rail - relating to the city's existing drainage system (never mind a modified one) to deal with extreme rainfall events that "might impair tram functioning". The extensive runs of shared running of buses and cars was also taken into consideration.

Thus, two irresolute lines wipe out two full paragraphs of virtues of third rail as acknowledged by the Board and the Systra report on third rail. Reading through the hard copy of the Railway Order here, and having read the Systra report from cover to cover, the imbalance of their decision is quite simply astonishing. There is not even remotely adequate justification for their position on this.

This is a disaster for Dublin and nobody in public authority could give a damn about it. Goodbye (what's left) of a quality Dublin city centre.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre ... ing21.html
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The Board's Luas BXD decision

Postby StephenC » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:27 pm

How disappointing (is that suitably underwhelming). I haven't had a chance to read the full Board report yet but I am hoping that proposed memorial to the public toilets on College Green remains in place. A suitable legacy to the Triumph of Mediocrity that 21st century Dublin has become (for further reading see also Palace Street, Grafton Street, the Dubline, etc).
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Morlan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:53 pm

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/NA0004/NA0004Schedule14.pdf

1. Dawson Stop
The northbound Dawson Stop shall not be constructed as proposed. The southbound stop on Dawson Street is confirmed. The tracks shall be realigned on Dawson Street to take account of this modification. Details of the revised track alignment (including traffic markings etc.) shall be agreed with the planning authority prior to commencement of construction.

Reason: It is considered that the character and attractiveness of Dawson Street would be unduly compromised by this stop, which, taken in conjunction with the existing bus stops on this pavement, would also create an excessive level of pedestrian congestion to the detriment of the street’s commercial viability.

2. Median of O’Connell Street Upper
The vertical alignment of the track along the central median of O’Connell Street Upper shall be as proposed at the oral hearing, that is, on a track raised to the same level as the median. A safety audit shall be prepared in relation to the detailed design, which shall include any measures necessary to cater for pedestrian safety vis-à-vis the change in track levels. The design and audit shall be agreed with the planning authority prior to construction.
Reason: In the interest of clarity. It is considered that this would be visually more satisfactory and a safer arrangement than originally proposed in the application.

3. Technical Cubicle at Marlborough Street
The technical cubicle proposed for the north end of Marlborough Street shall be omitted. The cubicle shall be relocated to a suitable site within the general vicinity of the Parnell Stop. This revision shall be implemented by means of an application for amendment under section 146B of the Planning and Development Act 2000, as amended.

Reason: It is considered that the proposed location would have an unacceptable adverse impact on the adjacent property and on the character of this end of Marlborough Street and that there are viable, alternative locations in the vicinity.

4. Parnell Street Re-instatement
The scope of the proposed scheme in the Parnell Street area shall be extended to include full façade to façade pavement renewal/reinstatement on Parnell Street between Marlborough Street and O’Connell Street Upper and O’Connell Street Upper and Moore Lane. The pavement width on Parnell Street shall be maximised subject to consultation and agreement with the planning authority.

Reason: In the interest of visual amenity and to achieve an upgrade of the public realm to an appropriate standard in this area.

5. St Stephen’s Green Siding
The rail siding proposed for St. Stephen’s Green North shall be used only for turnback operations and emergency use by disabled trams, and shall not be used for stabling of trams during normal operation of the system.

Reason: In the interest of visual amenity.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby StephenC » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:02 pm

Good news for Parnell Street, and the Board appears to have mitigated the negative effects of the proposed stop on Dawson Street. This summation (I am not sure if it is a direct quote) included in the Inspectors Addendum Report and originating from Fitzers/Pierre Marco White on Dawson Street, says it all to me...

The RPA response is all about movement and shows little understanding of place. Ultimately the success of the LUAS BXD Project will lie in sustaining the heart of the city as a vibrant lively attractive city where public transport supports city character and street life and a sense of place.


I do welcome the construction of Luas BXD and I never thought that the Railway Order was in doubt. I just wish it could have been different.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Peter Fitz » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:41 pm

Dreadful, dreadful decision for Dublin City.

From the RPA’s selection of the most elaborate route imaginable, (necessitating the construction of a standard motorway bridge within pissing distance of O'Connell, while ensuring that any possible benefit from this ridiculous crossing is obliterated by ramming double tram lines through the core of the city anyway) to ABP now enabling the RPA to inflict their cables & paraphernalia on as wide an expanse of Dublin city centre as possible.

Fusiliers Arch, Mansion House, Trinity College, Bank of Ireland, O’Connell Bridge, O’Connell Street proper, the GPO - all now complete with cables.

This is no more than a trophy project for the RPA, with questionable benefits. What is not in question is the detrimental impact on key city streetscapes, spaces & landmarks – drastically altering the ambience, fabric, character and visual amenity of the city core, never mind all that it might have been.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby missarchi » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:56 am

I would have thought Dublin Bus might appeal this to a higher court...

What are the odds of something hitting a pole and bringing down live wires or water?

Either way you even wonder if the project will go ahead given the dire economic times...
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby StephenC » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:07 am

Its unlikely to go to the courts as a review of an ABP decision can only be made on procedural grounds. The courts cant review the decision itself.

Looking at the northern end of Dawson Street again yesterday I wondered how the island platform will be accommodated. The street is quite narrow here and it seems like it will be a challenge to maintain a Luas stop, a traffic lane (or two?) and decent pavement widths. I cant see any drawings of the revised stop design on the Luas site

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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Morlan » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:46 pm

Bus Átha Cliath and a cowardly TD were the reason it wasn't linked in the first place. Looks like they didn't get their way this time round.

Regarding the Dawson Stop, RPA outline their reasons for not wanting a central platform on page 8 here: http://www.pleanala.ie/news/NA0004/document3.pdf . They mosty seem to relate to interference with Dublin Bus and other traffic, and danger to pedestrians.

Nonetheless, they have submitted revised designs on page 4 here: http://www.pleanala.ie/news/NA0004/document4.pdf

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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Morlan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:56 am

Time to write up yet another Local Area Plan for DCC's dusty shelf of forgotten dreams.
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"Westmoreland Street as it would look following the reconfiguration of city centre traffic proposed by the National Transport Authority."

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The most comprehensive assessment yet of traffic in Dublin city centre has concluded that most of it should go elsewhere. And the picture painted by the National Transport Authority of the current state of play is far from flattering.

College Green is plagued by bus congestion, overcrowded bus stops and cluttered narrow footpaths, while on Westmorlan Street pedestrians are confined to a relatively narrow area containing trees, phone boxes, side-road entrances, front-of-shop promotions, etc.

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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby StephenC » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:26 pm

The 3 photomontages are great...imagine.
Where has this report come from and why now. It seems to have been leaked to FMcD.
Lets remain hopeful. I would love to see the actual report.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby missarchi » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:16 pm

Where is a masterplan?
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Morlan » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:34 am

DCC in damage control.

Brendan O’Brien, DCC's head of technical services said

“It wasn't a joint plan and there’s a lot in that study which may never see the light of day. It was never intended to be anything other than a discussion document."


Michael Phillips, DCC's director of traffic said:
"We were very disappointed in this leaked document. There are a number of serious issues with it and our worries are that there has been an expectation created out there that we will not be able to deliver. We are very conscious that the car shopper is as important as other modes of transport. To keep retail viable in the city centre, what we need to ensure is that there is a balance between all modes of transport.”


No panic! Private car traffic is to remain the dominant mode of transport in Dublin City centre for the next few decades at least.

As I said, just another document to stick on the shelf and gather dust.

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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby aj » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:05 am

DCC made to look stupid yet again. Utter joke
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby markpb » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:52 am

I'd go for childish and churlish rather than stupid.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:12 pm

Sod private car ownership, all these reports being produced are way more damaging to the environment and the weight of them of them on the DCC shelf is likely to push the earth off-axis
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby missarchi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:46 pm

Theres like 10 shops at College Green if the bank was given over to the people there could be more banks shopping and cafes ect. Dublin City Councils traffic department do not even have enough staff and money to meet members of the public.
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Re: Luas, Metro and DART - Drawings and Photomontages

Postby Morlan » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:00 am

That's right, Paul, confined to the dusty shelf, just like your website.

Be grateful to the 10 remaining members you have left.
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