Carlton Cinema Development

Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby lostexpectation » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:40 am

ah im getting the two "james connelly"'s mixed up
this is the group that was in the ilac http://1916rebellionmuseum.com/
which keeps the 3 buildings for musuem but knocks the new street through to moore street

its the same james connnelly that was backing this ? http://www.gaelicadventure.org/pdfs/h16.pdf

which maintain the whole street
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby thebig C » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:41 pm

@ StephenC....you make very cojent points.

This whole episode reeks of knee-jerk threadbare nationalism heaped upon equally vapid preservation.

The whole monument issue is really muddying the waters and in fact I'd say its the reason why we have reached a standstill. Many people, particularly politicians are afraid to do anything least the green flag is hoisted and the old chesnut of "West Britery" is thrown about!:)

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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby StephenC » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:52 pm

The effects of the stalled Chartered Land project are also starting to show on the section of Henry Street from Moore Street to Henry Place/Lane? Remember this is still one of the two premier retail streets in the city and country, so could Dublin City Council at least humour the public that it cares about its condition. The quality of shopfronts and upper floors is deteriorating dreadfully and the standard of retailer is racing southward...hardly reflective of the prime retail core. The stretch is littered with site notices and the like from the planning permission stage (these are supposed to be removed within a set time) and everything is just dirty and grubby. No one seems to care....least of all NAMA it seems which I understand essentially controls the site together with Joe O'Reilly's loanbook. The usual Irish mentality that if you let the building deteriorate so far then everyone will welcome anything you choose to do simply to see the place cleaned up.

A walk around the corner onto Moore Street makes one wonder whether they had arrived in downtown Lagos. There is simply no control whatsoever of standards along this street... Sure its lively and ethnically diverse etc, etc but does that mean it needs to be a kip? And you're supposed to buy food here? Dublin's authentic street market? Can we have some standards in this city? Cant we aspire to just a little more than mediocrity and making-do?

Quality businesses vie with fleapits and health hazards and we celebrate this as something worth experiencing! Its astonishing to me.

I'm sorry if I am perceived as being racially insensitive here but I just feel that there is one set of rules (rarely enforced now) for Irish property owners that simply don't apply to ethnic businesses in many cases....whether the excuse is that the owners cannot be identified or that the staff don't speak English at the first sight of bureaucracy I don't know....but the Council and other agencies seem oblivious to the gulf in quality between many shall we say 'Irish' and 'New Irish' businesses.

Of course any hope at all for standards of shopfront, business interior, quality retailing on prime retail streets, mix and diversity of retail have all gone out the window in Dublin. The Council just aren't interested. Mediocre thinking controls policy making in City Council...lowest common denominator applies. And most shop-owners or building owners just dont care any longer...its all about the bottom line and if a couple of hundred quids worth of plastic signage and a dollop of lurid pink paint with get me noticed then who gives a fuck. To rally against it is only to make oneself world-weary and depressed.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby StephenC » Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:03 pm

Wasn't it all meant to be so different...

http://hughchaloner.com/dublin-city-cou ... tail-plan/
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby lostexpectation » Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:29 pm

rewatched the tg4 doc, t o try figure out who's who, a letter that nama was giving 250,000 to do works on the national monument was featured and questioned by nial ring

http://www.facebook.com/savemoorestreet ... 9686315968

Public Consultation Period for Planned Works at Moore St National Monument Extended to 24 April 2013
http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2 ... pril-2013/

what is it that they are planning to do?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby aindriu80 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:33 pm

Carlton site building to become Japanese restaurant
Former council building was to be part of Joe O’Reilly’s ‘Dublin Central’ development

Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 06:00
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/carlt...rant-1.1365198

A former county council building on Dublin’s O’Connell Street which was to be part of a massive €900 million shopping centre development by Chartered Land is to be turned into a Japanese restaurant.
Signs were yesterday erected for “10 Thousand Restaurant” on the old Fingal County Council building opposite the Gresham Hotel.
The building, which was vacated by the local authority in 2006, was bought by developer Joe O’Reilly for the “Dublin Central” development.
The shopping centre, granted planning permission in 2010, was to cover 2.7 hectares encompassing the former Carlton cinema and vacant plots stretching to Moore Street, some of which have been derelict since the 1970s.

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No construction has started on the site and the lands now form part of Nama’s portfolio of loans. Dublin City Council last January granted permission for the use of the former council building to be changed from offices to retail/restaurant. The application was made by All Points Building & Maintenance with the consent of Chartered Land.
The conditions of the council’s permission state that the building can be used as a restaurant for three years only.
Dublin County Council was the first tenant of the 1975 building before Dublin was split into four local authority areas in 1994.
The redevelopment of the Carlton site has been beset by planning and legal problems concerning historic 1916 Rising buildings on Moore Street.


What is the story with the Carlton cinema, I read they got planning permission for a shopping centre a while back but it ran into problems ? Some of the artist impressions did kinda look out of place.

Can the new restaurant only be used only for 3 years. What happens to it after that ?
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