upper camden street

[docjohnoscar]

Apologies if this question has been asked before. When recently on holiday in Dublin, we stayed at the Camden Court Hotel on Upper Camden Street. Opposite our hotel on Camden Street is a typical Georgian terrace that is derelict, waiting to be redeveloped, presumably. One of these houses (I deduce, #4, since #6 is two houses away--named Allied Business Supplies) has a full-house width door arch instead of a standard doorway with a window beside it, like most of the others. Next door, which I call #5, has that window but an additional circular window instead of a door to the street. The whole aspect is unusual. What were these buildings before they became derelict? Are the archway and the circular window next door original?

[Paul Clerkin]

The former Camden Hall?
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/southcity/camden_street/camden_hall_lge.html

[jdivision]

That's it, redevelopment application was turned down from guys who used to own Flannerys and continue to own what was the Corner Stone and Nancy Hands pubs.

[Service charge]

This building is and has been in a terrible state for years. There's also the old hotel beside it which is been advertised as storage space.

Disgraceful that the city council allows buildings like this waste away.

[DjangoD]

It's true, these really are wonderful buildings that appear to have been left to rot so they can be bulldozed and replaced with shiny new characterless hulks, a la their neighbours a few doors up. They've been like this for a long long time now, and with the way things are they'll probably stay that way for just as long.

Makes one despair really.

[Paul Clerkin]

i moved to Dublin 20 years ago and they've been like that for the duration.

[docjohnoscar]

So what WAS Camden Hall? A music hall or a theatre-type venue? Or was it a type of village-hall-in-a-city? From the brickwork of the first storey, it's two "houses" side by side so I assume it's the ground floor where it's all one unit. Or was it converted at some time past from two houses into a "hall"?

[GrahamH]

It was the premises of the famous Earley & Company stained glass artists, docjohnoscar. They moved in around 1900, when the delightful commercialising niche was inserted at ground floor level - hence also the circular window with stained glass. There's also a church out the back, which if I recall, along with the houses, was to be mauled/compromised as part of an insane development proposal as jdivision mentions above. Indeed it may well have been the intention to demolish the church - I can't remember. The owners are, shall we say, well known for their refined patronage of matters architectural.

The Camden Court Hotel is a great spot for basing youself on a visit to Dublin it has to be said. In addition to their fantastic breakfasts, you walk straight out the door into the most dynamic quarter of the city, with all the vibrancy of Camden Street, the amenities of the Iveagh Gardens and St. Stephen's Green, the ease of access to the south Georgian core, and the lovely summer morning walks around the gracious residential streets of Portobello. Definitely a spot worth recommending to visiting relatives, if they can endure the tribute to 90s faux mahogany that are the bedrooms.

[Service charge]

Didn't the council serve a CPO/derlict site notice on this place a year or 2 ago?

[docjohnoscar]

I looked up Earley & Co on the Internet and learnt that they were in Camden St until 1975, officially at No.1, Upper Camden St. Presumably that was their office and the archway bit (No.5) was their showroom? Has that site been derelict ever since then? Or was it then that the archway bit became used as "Camden Hall"? Or was it known as a Hall from the beginning when it was Earley's?

[Punchbowl]

Can't find a dedicated thread for Camden St, but thought this would do

Another historic building set on fire

http://www.thejournal.ie/large-fire-dam ... 3-Apr2012/

[leonotron]

Regarding the former Earley & Co building on Camden street. I was in there at Christmas. Despite there being a fair amout of damage down through the years it is in reasonable shape. There's a new roof on the entire building and it's pretty well locked up so further damage from vandals and the elements is reduced considerably.

[leonotron]

A view of the window from inside

[leonotron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXLI1lxu ... er&list=UL

[Punchbowl]

Can't find a dedicated thread for Camden St, but thought this would do

Another historic building set on fire

http://www.thejournal.ie/large-fire-dam ... 3-Apr2012/

Just in relation to this building. Wasn't aware of the history of it, but An Taisce want it declared as a national monument and reinstated (it has been totally demolished). There's more info on http://www.antaisce.org/

[Service charge]

Wow, what a great video and idea. I never knew what that window looked liked. This building has been breaking my heart for so many years.

[Punchbowl]

Another fire in the area

http://www.thejournal.ie/traffic-and-lu ... 4-May2012/

[pico]

77 Camden Street Lower

It is very sad to see a further shop front changed illegally.

Again, cheap timber cladding has been used (the fourth outlet to do this on Camden Street).

In addition, at No 77, they have added new signage that has necessitated cutting into the first floor window sills. Planning permission for the change of use, specifically stated that any new signage should be the subject of a separate planning permission, as this is an Architectural Conservation Area. Not that you'd know it from the development that takes place. Hopefully Dublin City Council will act soon to reign in these unauthorised developments.

[pico]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93099255@N07/8465069722/

[StephenC]

I wouldn't hold your breath...

The street is not an ACA but it is a Conservation Area...not that any of that terminology means very much these days,

[StephenC]

I must have a wander down this part of town... its been a while. Who knows what surprises it holds!

[Paul Clerkin]

Not 100% certain but was the shopfront not similar in design to this and just blue, or am i thinking of a different shopfront on the street.

[Paul Clerkin]

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=77+Camden ... 74.75,,0,0

[pico]

Thanks, Paul. I saw them putting up the "pediment" of the timber facade, & assumed that they had cut into the sills, when it must have been carried out previously.

However, I still don't agree with what they have added. The facade does not relate to the historic structure behind.

[StephenC]

The shop has permission to change use to a restaurant under 2271/11

One of the conditions states:

4. Prior to the commencement of development the applicant shall submit to the Planning Authority full details of the signage proposed. Reason: To protect the visual amenity of the area.

That doesn't mean that they have to apply for planning permission for a new shopfront. They may well agree a new design and works with the Council under this permission.