teak wrote:Is there any planning limits on 'branded' appearance of commercial buildings,
e.g. McDonalds, KFC, chainstores, etc. ?
Paul cuddy wrote: You cannot be serious, I respect that effort has been made, they have toned down the aluminous visual impact and the dark olive would be sympathetic in another environment, but not here.
You will never be a retail planner.Paul cuddy wrote:There is too much glass,
Crap bins a great example of different parts of a council imposing seperate objectives without communication; this should have been a S106 levy and the local authority should have provided the bins with MCD's cash.Paul cuddy wrote: plastic bins outside (with a logo),
Agreed - should see enforcement to stop creep but this for most retailers is restrained.Paul cuddy wrote:posters in the window (I know these can be removed, but restrictions on advertising in certain sensitive areas should be imposed).
Paul cuddy wrote:Planning permission for this type of outlet should never be granted on a street of that character.
Paul cuddy wrote: Mc donalds and all fast food outlets belong in industrial estates accessed off major roundabouts, they are not for the high street. Any building that uses its shop front as an ever evolving advertising portal does not belong in an area of architectural significance.
Paul cuddy wrote:This attempt to make it sympathetic is on a parallel with their attempt to go healthy with their salad dinners swamped in fattening sauces.
Paul cuddy wrote: 1. My Argument did not constitute snobbery that is how you chose to receive it which is incorrect. So you will never get a job as an arbitrator.
Paul cuddy wrote:2. “ they have complied with the spirit of the development”, yes they have but only the development on the ground floor which is my whole point. They have not respected the building that sits directly above them and to each side. They have allowed their brand to take priority over the existing building and streetscapes natural character.
Paul cuddy wrote:3. MCD is a cheap lunch for poor tourists, I am not going to even validate that statement.
Paul cuddy wrote:4. Of course a retail mix is necessary, but not at the expense of a significant streetscape. If they truly wanted to be sympathetic to the existing style, they would have incorporated the fenestration into the shop front, eliminated the striking contrast in colours, they didn’t do this because their brand is king and more important than architecture and street aesthetics. Same reason why they have posters in the windows and plastic bins outside, because they are out and out profiteers and have no interest in our heritage or towns and to be fair, why should they, we have Planners who are responsible for that but as you know, sometimes we would have been better off leaving Ronald himself in charge.
Paul cuddy wrote:5. If you cannot omit your brand for the sake of being sympathetic to a streetscape, then like I said, go to an industrial estate, because your development is easily retractable. Have a look at most small, non global businesses that operate on major streets, most of them follow the buildings architectural style, it is only the major outlets that need to impose the brand so heavily on the building.
Paul cuddy wrote:6. All businesses like mcds would have a glass building given the choice, the onus is on the Planner to restrict this to an acceptable level based on the merits of the development and not the scale of the brand
I have been living in Ireland for the past 10 years and my advice to you is, if you want to stay healthy, then dont go to mcds for your 5 a day
Paul cuddy wrote: PVC “Real demand being mixed in terms of price point is obviously beyond you; not all units can be filled by Brown Thomas.”
Make the point, leave out the arrogance. To suggest that MCDS or other fast food outlets are the only companies that can offer a price mix, is just not true. There are countless small businesses who can offer cheap healthy food from an urban sensitive shop and do so in prime locations.
Paul cuddy wrote:“This is their urban branding; how anyone can attack those colours is beyond me; so to the shopfronts thread if you want a justified whinge; Ronald is now a bunch of fund managers who want sales growth, sales growth is only maximised by their playing the planning game which they and Starbucks are the only International food retailers who get planning as a formality.”
Colours themselves do not make a shop front sensitive, you cannot just pick olive and gold and decide, job well done. It is all about how they integrate into the existing building. The colours are in stark contrast to the existing building, which is good for visual impact and branding but not for the streetscape. The olive is dark and coarse which aggressively interrupts the gentle light colours of the existing building. This takes all the emphasis off the beautiful architecture and places it on the commercial outlet. I feel you are just looking at a sharp neat shop front and are not considering it in context.
As for the rest of the argument, I cannot really see the relevance, you go on about the business model a lot, but that is not really what this is about.
Paul cuddy wrote:As for the glass, not entirely true about the higher energy requirements but anyway I was being hypothetical to help express a point.
Paul cuddy wrote: You cannot argue that every colour has the same impact, obviously the lighter colours will impact less with a light building. That shop front is solely about visual impact.
Paul cuddy wrote: There are individually owned businesses across the country on prime streets providing food. Your info does not stack up with the facts.
Paul cuddy wrote: e-glazing - trombe walls - concrete floors, great for heat generation and retention.
Paul cuddy wrote: "One of the most protective planning departments globally" did you draw that fact from the same website that told you about the less than 10 food outlets.
PVC King wrote:The Helifax shopfront next door is darker yet you have no comment on that one; you need to stop digging.
PVC King wrote:Not at those rental levels; name one food business at ground floor on Grafton St, Henry St or Patrick St in Cork other than MCD, Burger King or Starbucks that is not owner occupied. The small local businesses you refer to can't pay the rent; it might work in Ballaghadreen or Trowbridge but it doesn't in Bath.
PVC wrote:Retail pods in industrial estates don't do Class A office cladding; stop digging.
PVC wrote:No I drew that fact from years of experience dealing with prime retailers and refusing consent for inapproriate signage.
Paul cuddy wrote:I cannot see any halifax shopfront in the picture, so maybe you could dig it out and post it and even if there was one there, why would I want to comment as it was not the topic, the topic was the MCD shopfront, you are hell bent on talking about everything else other than the topic.
Paul cuddy wrote:I will be in galway this week and I will take a picture of a few for you, then maybe you might have a bite to eat there.
Paul cuddy wrote:PVC wrote:Retail pods in industrial estates don't do Class A office cladding; stop digging.
e- galzing windows have outstripped all other glazing in both the commercial and domestic sector, that info is direct from the source, one of Irelands biggest glazing manufacturers. And again we are not on about industrial estates, we were discussing streets with significant architecture. You should start digging in the right direction.
Paul cuddy wrote:PVC wrote:No I drew that fact from years of experience dealing with prime retailers and refusing consent for inapproriate signage.
I am sorry, but with the greatest of respect, that does not make you an authority on global planning departments