Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby lauder » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:15 pm

First Hume Street now Belcamp House. The House and College was destroyed by fire on the night of April 13th.

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Currently owned by Gannon homes, the property had been subject to the scumbag element scavenging the property for scrap, fireplaces, copper etc. Really boils me blood to see this.

I understand workers employed by the owner to protect the building where physically abused (by our travelling brethren according to those present) and thus were unable to protect the building. Thankfully, the Harry Clarke windows were removed to safety a few weeks ago.

Some photos post-destruction:
http://leonotron.com/belcamp/belcamp.html

Today's report in the Indo.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/arson-attack-guts-listed-building-by-white-house-designer-2620748.html
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:32 pm

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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby arachne » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:06 pm

Is anything being done to protect the building now? The ceiling of the oval room looks like it has survived
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby taizy8 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:10 pm

I don't know about security - I believe once that Fingal County Council took out the windows they also took away any security they had. I have been told that you would need an army to protect Belcamp. May be we need an army of preservation activists, but who is willing ? Obviously no person or entity in authority is doing anything. So now chaos, ruin and vandalism is added to our economic woes.

I am involved with the Hume Street Campaign and keeping an eye on things there. The security is light so we worry though being centrally located helps. Waiting on the owner and NAMA to fix the roof by April 29th but don't have much faith in the long drawn out legal process. We will step up the campaign after that.

We are in touch with people from the Moore Lane campaign and those concerned with Arldborough House.

I believe nationwide concerted joined up action is needed: Architects, artists, historians, preservationists, citizens - march from NAMA to the Dail...

http://www.facebook.com/savehumestreetfromdestruction
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby gunter » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:19 pm

Belcamp was badly damaged by fire before, in 1921. That's how it ended up with the flat roof and odd chimney stacks.

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I think if we could fix this [admittedly with a dodgy flat roof] in 1921, we ought to be able to fix it again in 2011.

On the revisiting of the 'battle of Hume Street' - and who wouldn't want to revisit the '70s - I would like to just point out that there wasn't a whimper out of anyone when the copper was stripped from the early 18th century cruciform roof of no. 30 Thomas Street [a Liam Carroll/NAMA property], or from no. 23 James Street, a fine, modest, mid 18th century, transitional house that is currently disintegrating in front of our eyes, both of which were inhabited and in good repair two years ago.

Is this a proper conservation movement you're proposing, or just another rollicking Georgian romp?
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:51 pm

Report of the original fire.

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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby Paul Clerkin » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:00 pm

Some other photos taken recently

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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby StephenC » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:14 pm

hmmm did you add that sky in? very atmospheric
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby gunter » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:32 am

Love those concrete plank pre-fabs, I bet they didn't burn down

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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby Morlan » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:34 am

StephenC wrote:hmmm did you add that sky in? very atmospheric


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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby taizy8 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:41 pm

gunter wrote:
On the revisiting of the 'battle of Hume Street' - and who wouldn't want to revisit the '70s - I would like to just point out that there wasn't a whimper out of anyone when the copper was stripped from the early 18th century cruciform roof of no. 30 Thomas Street [a Liam Carroll/NAMA property], or from no. 23 James Street, a fine, modest, mid 18th century, transitional house that is currently disintegrating in front of our eyes, both of which were inhabited and in good repair two years ago.

Is this a proper conservation movement you're proposing, or just another rollicking Georgian romp?


I don't know what you mean by that comment or what "proper conservation movement" you may be interested in perhaps starting yourself

We are busy at the moment with our campaign.
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby gunter » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:35 pm

taizy8, I see we're getting off on the wrong foot, and lets keep it that way.

taizy8 wrote:I believe nationwide concerted joined up action is needed: Architects, artists, historians, preservationists, citizens - march from NAMA to the Dail...
http://www.facebook.com/savehumestreetfromdestruction


I certainly don't think we need two little bands of grumpy ex-hippies traipsing around the streets looking forlornly for some official conscience to prick, can your little band not just take on-board the endangered houses on Thomas Street and James Street and that would leave me free to lend moral support, which as you know is like real support only you don't have to do anything.
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby taizy8 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:10 pm

gunter wrote:taizy8, I see we're getting off on the wrong foot, and lets keep it that way.

taizy8 wrote:I believe nationwide concerted joined up action is needed: Architects, artists, historians, preservationists, citizens - march from NAMA to the Dail...
http://www.facebook.com/savehumestreetfromdestruction


I certainly don't think we need two little bands of grumpy ex-hippies traipsing around the streets looking forlornly for some official conscience to prick, can your little band not just take on-board the endangered houses on Thomas Street and James Street and that would leave me free to lend moral support, which as you know is like real support only you don't have to do anything.


By your 1600 + posts I can see you keep pretty busy on the interwebs.

What ever you may think of my response that we march on the Dail ( which was a first reaction to the Belcamp fire and vandalism) your extremely rude and patronising attitude certainly wouldn't make me want to cow tow for your special "moral support". If marching on the Dail was the right thing to do we would have done it long ago - so would protesting out front - but we prefered contacting and talking with politicians and ministers, which we have been doing. And why don't you do that too ? instead of been rude to people on discussion forms.

I only got involved in Hume street because I witnessed it first hand. I know there are, many many more instances of neglect. I am not wasting any more time answering to you because you have already decided what you think and lets keep it that way..
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby gunter » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:26 pm

taizy8 wrote: more or less

I am not wasting my time with you any more, you are rude and discourteous, extremely rude, rude and patronising.

I can use the phone and talk to important people, and go outside, why can’t you do that?

You are a podgy repulsive little man, I’ve seen your sleazy posts. You can’t keep your clammy fingers off the interweb, can you?

Shut up. I’m not being hysterical.


Now hold on a minute . . . . . I never said you looked fat
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Re: Belcamp House destroyed by fire.

Postby taizy8 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:15 pm

You are a podgy repulsive little man, I’ve seen your sleazy posts. You can’t keep your clammy fingers off the interweb, can you?


I never said you were a podgy repulsive little man sitting in a dark room with the interwebs !! - .. and you never said I looked fat ... it was the reference to groupy ex hippies that fired me up.. anyway thanks for the laugh... we need lightening up.

No point in splitting our support when the real baddies are getting away with it. :)
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