New Advertising in Dublin

Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby kefu » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:25 pm

Can't agree with you about Francis Street and Kildare Street, the one-way system is what keeps them relatively traffic-free. If they are arbitrarily made two-way, the potential is there to turn them, particularly Francis Street (in the evenings), into complete rat runs. Leave them as they are, the width is certainly there for a counter-flow cycling system, if DCC is willing to sacrifice some onstreet parking.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby PVC King » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:30 pm

Leinster Street always annoyed me; you come in from Mount Street, Merrion Sq onto Clare St; heading for the area around the end of Grafton St or Dawson Street and you have to go the whole way around Westland Row, Pearse St and College Street to correct. Just a short contra flow back onto Kildare Street allows the connect across Molesworth Street and back onto the right direction down Dawson Street

Linking Luas would do a lot more good than just connecting two tram lines it would once and for all gunther cross city car journeys right through the core and hand the initiative back to sustainable modes such as cycling, tram etc.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby lostexpectation » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:32 pm

so its been a complete success except for...
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby PVC King » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:43 pm

The €170m in advertising revenue not paid if the Sunday Times article is on the money.

Barter kind of went out in the dark ages.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby hutton » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:21 pm

PVC King wrote:The €170m in advertising revenue not paid if the Sunday Times article is on the money.


The ST stated it; the Examiner ran it, as did other media outlets. No dispute of the amount was ever made afaik.

€170m / €12.5m p.a. - think of what could be done with now :mad:
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby lostexpectation » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:00 am

more dodgey advertising deals

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2011/jan/ ... Pat%20Egan

DUBLIN City Council has been criticised for passing up on hundreds of thousands of euro in potential advertising revenue from a company it allows to hang posters on public property around the capital.

The local authority has had a longstanding agreement with Irish Poster Advertising Ltd (IPA) – an events promotion company – which advertises gigs and other events on hoardings and in public spaces.

In response to a recent query, council officials said they did not receive any fees from the company in exchange for advertising space but that in return, IPA takes responsibility for maintaining the hoardings.

The claim was denied by IPA, which insisted it has always paid a "rate" for the privilege but was unable to elaborate on the arrangement.

Both parties were due to meet last week in order to clarify matters.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby PVC King » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:51 am

Advertising revenue set to drop by 5% this year
ADVERTISING REVENUES are on track to fall by more than 5 per cent this year, but will stabilise next year and return to growth from 2012, according to a report by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).

Growth of 12 per cent in internet advertising will only slightly mitigate an expected 5.8 per cent decline in television advertising in 2010, PwC’s Entertainment Media Outlook report states.

Despite the return to growth in 2012, traditional advertising channels such as radio, outdoor and press will decline over the next five years, PwC said.

Across the Irish entertainment and media sector as a whole, internet access and advertising, video game revenues and TV subscriptions will be the main growth areas. Traditional branches of the sector will “continue to struggle”, in particular if they are dependent on advertising spend.

Overall, the sector will grow by a compound annual rate of 4.1 per cent over 2010-2014, when total revenues will reach €4 billion.

However, this rate of growth falls short of PwC’s forecasts for the global entertainment and media sector. The accountancy firm expects the global market to grow 5 per cent annually between now and 2014, reaching $1.7 trillion (€1.2 trillion).

The uncertain economic background “has done nothing to slow the ever-advancing digital transformation or the rapid consumer uptake of new media experiences”, PwC said.

“The trends in Ireland are similar to what is happening worldwide. The advancing digital transformation is driving audience fragmentation to a level not previously seen,” said Susan Kilty, a partner in PwC’s entertainment and media division.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fin ... 77194.html



DUBLIN City Council has been criticised for passing up on hundreds of thousands of euro in potential advertising revenue from a company it allows to hang posters on public property around the capital.

The local authority has had a longstanding agreement with Irish Poster Advertising Ltd (IPA) – an events promotion company – which advertises gigs and other events on hoardings and in public spaces.


The terms of this contract need to become public knowledge; are the city council even collecting business rates on these fittings? Its not like they don't know they are there...
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby PVC King » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:54 am

LONDON (Dow Jones)--The U.K. competition regulator Thursday said it would probe whether contracts with some U.K. public bodies offered by outdoor advertising giants JC Decaux SA (DEC.FR) and Clear Channel Outdoor Holdings Inc. (CCO) break competition laws.

The Office of Fair Trading said it would probe contracts the two companies offered local authorities for advertising on street furniture, such as bus shelters and information panels, in particular looking at the long durations of the contracts and potentially restrictive terms.

"There are some concerns around barriers to entry and expansion for media owners and the OFT has launched a competition investigation in order to assess whether certain street furniture agreements are compatible with U.K. and E.U. competition law," Heather Clayton, the OFT's senior director of infrastructure said.

"No assumption should be made at this stage that there has been an infringement of competition law," Clayton added.

The OFT said it had decided that it wouldn't refer the matter to the Competition Commission yet.

The U.K. has a two-tier competition regulation system, with the OFT probing possible competition concerns and then referring the matter to the Competition Commission if it believes that antitrust rules are being broken.

The OFT said it had looked at the whole of the U.K. outdoor advertising market. It said that while the market seemed to be functioning well, it had some concern over a system of rebates. It said it had some concerns that the rebates could distort how advertising campaigns are booked and recommend that advertisers take steps, such as using media auditors to monitor campaigns, to ensure agencies and specialist buyers act in the advertiser's best interests.

Under the rebate system, when an advertiser pays for an outdoor campaign, the media agency and the outdoor buyer receive commission, the OFT said. At the end of a year, the outdoor buyer receives a payment from the outdoor media owner and is entitled to volume rebates related to the aggregate amount spent with the media owner over the year. Rebates tend to be negotiated with the larger outdoor media buyers.

France's JC Decaux and Clear Channel of the U.S. are two of the biggest outdoor advertising companies in the U.K.

-By Steve McGrath, Dow Jones Newswires; 44-20-7842-9284; steve.mcgrath@dowjones.com


Was a second bidder even asked to submit a proposal in Dublin?
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Smithfield Resi » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:26 pm

Was a second bidder even asked to submit a proposal in Dublin?


There was a tender for expression of interest. There was also a fact finding trip by officials to Lyon (JCD's flagship city for bikes scheme). Draw your own conclusions.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby StephenC » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:44 pm

Yay!!!!! New wayfinder signage finally going in across the city. The observant among you may have noticed some changes! According to an informed source, the main city centre should be completed by 17th March in time for Paddy's Day and the traditional start of the tourist season. The second phase (essentially taking in areas currently missing and installing 20 new map panels) should happen by end of summer.

Some examples of the newly installed signage on Westmoreland Street (with some decluttering of empty poles...anyone notice?) and Parliament Street.

I look forward to seeing the programme progress.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Morlan » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:09 am

Found this on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/infomatique/5469040064/

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Anyone got any pics of the decluttering of empty poles as SC mentioned?
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby GrahamH » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:10 pm

Whatever of the preposterous Gaeilge debacle and resultant less than satisfactory information display, this signage really is beautifully designed. Wonderfully crisp and coolly elegant. All of the text is also spot on, with the notable unfortunate exception of 'Christchurch'.

A few points. I don't think Luas or anybody else should be entitled to colouring on the signage. It should be white and nothing else, bearing in mind we're probably soon to have DART, national rail and probably other non-transport interests with their own colours shortly. Secondly, it would be helpful if the dublinbikes logos had a simple indicator for which station is closest, such as 1 min or 3 min. The below sign on St. Stephen's Green North, for example, shows two dublinbikes stations, but without suggestion of which is closer. Indeed in this case, neither is closest to this sign! Though it must be noted that it is locations with attendant stations that are being fingerposted, not stations per se.

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Surely Merrion Square would be a lot more useful than the Eye and Ear?!


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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Morlan » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:00 pm

GrahamH wrote:Surely Merrion Square would be a lot more useful than the Eye and Ear?!


LOL, I was thinking that myself. I could just imagine someone in DCC stuck for ideas 5 mins before lunch. "Fuck it, the Eye n' Ear will do".
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby StephenC » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:47 am

I feel a nerdy game coming on....spot the location of this sign
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby GrahamH » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:35 pm

Heheh.

Delighted to stand corrected on the 'Christchurch' spelling. It has been, well, corrected!

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Good to see someone has a sharp eye. In the above case, Dublin Castle is given one direction and the Chester Beatty Library - located in its grounds - another. No harm though in directing people towards the ceremonial entrance of the Castle rather than via the Ship Street Gate.

The i's dot is missing from the Castle on the other side. Odd.

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The smart little db logo. There he goes!

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Lovely sharp arrows too.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby OisinT » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:17 am

I have to say I am VERY impressed with these. Clean, elegant and functional.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Morlan » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:10 pm

GrahamH wrote:The i's dot is missing from the Castle on the other side. Odd.


That's going to be bugging you everytime you walk past it. Better get your Tipp-ex and step ladder!

Another in Mountjoy Sq.

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I wonder if the DDDA will follow suit. They haven't erected any signage in Spencer/Point yet I don't think. These would look well in Dún Laoghaire also.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby StephenC » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:50 pm

So the first phase of the Way Finding signage scheme is more or less complete, in time for St Patricks Day and the traditional start of the tourist season. I have to say they make a great addition to the cityscape. There are some minor tweaks required. Some units face in confusing ways but this is a feature of their square design. Its worth saying that a round signage unit works no better, as seen in Docklands where signage can face the wrong way completely. Its not the end of the world however.

In some instances the choice of attractions is odd, eg at Christ Church Place the sign directs you to Francis Street, when I would suggest The Liberties would make more sense.

I would also suggest that a uniform series of Character areas should start making an appearance, eg Old City, The Liberties, City Markets Area, South Georgian City, etc. The idea should be to direct people to areas as well as individual attractions. This will help businesses to locate themselves to visitors and sweeten the pill of the inevitable removal of brown finger signs.

Phase 2 now beckons - due to be completed by June. This will see the remaining units plus 20 large map panels located at various strategic points such as O'Connell Street, College Green, Capel Street etc. Some of the posts are already in place. I think overall about 70-odd finger posts were proposed.

Phase 2 should also see the start of the removal of brown finger signs around the city....really a MUST if this scheme is to make a difference to the quality of the city centre environment. And not just the signs but many of the poles they are mounted on. The City Council's Roads Dept are instructed to remove the brown signs. I wait in expectation! This has to happen DCC!! We are in a changes world now and we have to start presenting our city centre as an attractive place to visit, not as a dumping ground for every sort of municipal tat.

The signs are not good though...I see a rash of new poles erected around the City Council offices and quays preparing for new traffic signs. Traffic signs and directional signage remains a MESS in this city. No coordination. No urban design input. No clarity to the driver. No consistency of design.

Still I have to say FAIR PLAY to Dublin City Council for delivering a good quality way finding scheme. :thumbup:
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Cathal Dunne » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:17 am

StephenC wrote:So the first phase of the Way Finding signage scheme is more or less complete, in time for St Patricks Day and the traditional start of the tourist season. I have to say they make a great addition to the cityscape. There are some minor tweaks required. Some units face in confusing ways but this is a feature of their square design. Its worth saying that a round signage unit works no better, as seen in Docklands where signage can face the wrong way completely. Its not the end of the world however.

Still I have to say FAIR PLAY to Dublin City Council for delivering a good quality way finding scheme. :thumbup:


I agree with your congratulations of DCC for a job well done here. They get rightly criticised here for some of their more questionable policies but they do have their good days and achievements as well and this is one of them. They certainly do add a lot to the city centre. They're stylish and informative signs which help you navigate the streets of our great city. It's great that you can actually say that about Dublin now. Wayfinder signage has been a blind spot in Dublin and Ireland more generally and it's fantastic to see it being addressed like this.

Could you put up pictures/renders of the panels which will form part of phase 2 of this project, Stephen? It'd be great to see them so that we can keep an eye out for them going up in the next few weeks.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby StephenC » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:15 am

Cant help yet I'm afraid....you'll have to wait.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Cathal Dunne » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:05 pm

StephenC wrote:Cant help yet I'm afraid....you'll have to wait.


Ah that's a pity Stephen. Must just keep an eye out in Town for them then. Between these map panels and the maps on the pay stations of the related Dublin Bikes scheme and it should be a fool-proof means for tourists and locals to find their way around the city.

btw, does anyone know of any news re expansion of the Dublin Bikes scheme? I remember reading that they were going to expand it to 5,000 bikes and a couple hundred stations. The early part of this expansion was to put stations down around Heuston Station and in the Docklands. There doesn't appear to have been much movement on this front lately which is surprising given the huge success of the bikes so far.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby d8boy » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:24 pm

While I agree with OisinT that the signs are clean and elegant, I'm not sure how functional they are.
1. They lack distances. So the sign at square on Dame Street beside City Hall tells me that City Hall and the Guinness Stores are both west, but doesn't say that first is 10 metres away and the latter over 2km, and thus beyond the walking capabilities of the infirm and/or unfit...
2. Either by accident or design, some of the direction are plain odd. The sign beside the Bull and Castle on Christchurch Palace directs people to Temple Bar east along Castle Street, rather than pointing north.
2. The square column, while a useful way of frustrating the traditional Irish sport of sign twisting, imposes a constraint that all signs must be opposed at multiples of exactly 90 degrees. This is a bit inflexible particularly in the pre-Georgian parts of town where the street pattern is decidedly non-grid like. So the sign at the Peace Garden on Christchurch Place/Nicholas Street had the sign for Guinness Storehouse pointing ambiguously towards Dublinia, vaguely suggesting it lies at the bottom of Winetavern Street. I say had advisedly because today I notice that this has been fixed. Now none of the signs points ambiguously towards Dublinia; instead most of them point into the (permanently locked) Peace Garden!
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby StephenC » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:01 pm

Yes I think you make a fair point about the distances. And the directions are at times oddly indicated. Its not perfect but its a vast improvement on the chaos and clutter that has existed until now.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Cathal Dunne » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:53 pm

Strangely enough, the pole right outside the Civic Offices has yet to be adorned with fingers. It's still swaddled in green netting at the minute.
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Re: New Advertising in Dublin

Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:32 pm

Thats because they're waiting on a sign pointing upwards like a giant finger ;)
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