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Re: Metro North

Postby missarchi » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:05 am

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Re: Metro North

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Re: Metro North

Postby DouglasHyde » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:44 am

Is the Metro North ‘Still Economically Feasible’ ?

The Metro North project is still manageable within today’s public finance constraints because the private sector initially funds the majority of the construction costs.

That’s according to Rob Leech, Metro North Project Manager, RPA, who was speaking at an Engineers Ireland seminar on tunnelling.

Stating that a high quality integrated public transport is a key feature of the most successful cities worldwide, Mr Leech said the granting of a Railway Order in October for Metro North means we can start building tomorrow’s transport system today.

“There have been some extraordinary claims that it would cost €5 billion to build Metro North. Even at the height of the boom it would have cost far less than that.

“Now, at a time when construction costs have been falling, we expect to get unprecedented value for a piece of transport infrastructure that will simply transform the capital city, and have an impact throughout the country.

“The building of Metro North is still manageable within today’s public finance constraints because it is being developed under a public private partnership arrangement. This means the private sector initially funds the majority of construction.”

“The State contributes in two ways – a part contribution to the construction cost and later annual payments, spread over a long period of time, payable only when the metro is up and running.

“This proven arrangement is particularly suited to current economic conditions in Ireland as it reduces the requirement for government borrowing to fund infrastructure development and makes Metro North affordable now,” he said.

Commenting, Engineers Ireland Director General John Power said: “Any investment in infrastructure will always have a positive return to the Irish economy and with the Government’s cutbacks on its capital programme continuing to hit the construction sector hard and with civil engineering massively impacted as a result, the fact that Metro North has the potential to create 4,000 direct construction jobs and a further 2,000 indirect jobs must be recognised.”

Mr Leech also said Metro North does not depend on high rates of growth and has a positive benefit to cost ratio based on the existing population and employment levels before taking any account of the growth that will occur in the future.

“The benefits include journey time savings, reduced environmental emissions, improved safety and reduced road accidents as well as the huge economic benefits arising from having excellent transport links between the city and its northern fringe.

“Even in a scenario where only moderate economic growth occurs over the next 30 years the benefits will be enormous and will exceed the costs by a ratio of 1.5 to 1.

“The most recent cost-benefit analysis, which has been audited by the National Transport Authority’s independent economic advisers, shows that Metro North will deliver a net benefit to the Irish economy of well over €1 billion,” concluded the Metro North Project Manager.
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:49 am

The same consultants that found a motorway to a town of c3,000 people was viable, go figure

That the RPA remain on the state payroll and are able to waste more taxpayers money pushing a scheme that will not happen is indicative of a government that has failed to implement any of the elements of fiscal responsibility they keep launching with great fanfare.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 61130.html

Terminal Two at Dublin Airport was eerily quiet yesterday


Wednesday December 15 2010

IF A tumbleweed was to roll across the shiny floor at Dublin Airport's newly opened Terminal Two it wouldn't seem out of place.

T2 opened last month to a fanfare of champagne-fuelled celebrations but yesterday the scene was anything but exciting.

The new terminal has nearly 40 shops, a new boarding gate, 25 departure gates and 19 new aircraft parking stands. The price tag came to €609m.

The first impression is one of space and openness. The views are panoramic and the elegant building itself is huge and sweeping, bright and airy and, unfortunately -- quite empty.

Yesterday there were almost as many staff as passengers inside.

Departures was a veritable ghost town with only five check-in desks out of 56 open and a handful of lonely passengers wandering about looking lost as staff smiled benignly at them, disguising the fact they must have been bored to tears.

Upstairs in arrivals, the main restaurant, Oak Tree Cafe, was closed and the empty, large, open-plan seating area overlooking the equally empty departures floor below made for an eerie view.

At the other side of the arrivals floor, Wrights Foodcourt and Diep Noodles were the only eateries open, while Spar was doing a brisk trade.

Customers

WHSmith bookshop was devoid of browsers and the staff looked out hopefully at potential customers walking by.

"The airport is not fully operational yet," staff told the Irish Independent. "Bored?" "Not really."

Travel expert Eoghan Corry told the Pat Kenny show yesterday that the new terminal was "a pitiful sight" and retailers were furious about the poor business and slowness of moving flights over.

However, the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) rejected this claim.

"We have not received a single significant complaint from a retailer in T2," a spokesman said.

"The DAA detailed the planned transfer of airline operations in mid-November and this remains the position," he said.

The DAA also refused to disclose how many flights a day were operating from the terminal, saying this was a matter for the airlines.

Etihad was already operating their flights from T2 and Aer Lingus was running a number of flights each day in advance of moving their entire operation over on a phased basis from January.

WHSmith said they would not comment on business at their new outlet until their next sales disclosure date.

Coming from the cool vastness of T2, T1 was cramped and over-run with people but the hectic atmosphere was far from unwelcome.

After rattling around T2, T1 was much cosier, busier and had a bit of warmth.

Christmas trees adorned with lights lined the walls and people bustled by, coming and going.

In arrivals, about 25 little Christmas carollers from Scoil Bhride Junior National School Donaghmede, Dublin, sang while decked out in Santa hats and reindeer ears and for all the space-age newness and class of T2, for the moment T1 is the best one to walk into when arriving home for Christmas.

- Fiona Ellis and Aideen Sheehan


I bet the consultants on that predicted an economic benefit of 1929:1
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Re: Metro North

Postby DouglasHyde » Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:07 am

Your posts are very entertaining pvcking
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:14 am

Cheers Dougie, can I call you Dougie?

I'm only a novice though in the comedy stakes, the increase in predicted passengers from 35m in 2005 analysis when Metro West was on the agenda to 36.5m without Metro Waste and in the context of the aftermath of an economic Tsunami; that is truely hilarious....
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Re: Metro North

Postby DouglasHyde » Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:44 am

Entertaining and funny are not necessarily the same thing.....

The smell of desperation about your anti MN posts does spoil the humour dear chap.
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:17 pm

The same government promoting this produced how many 'sustainable bank rescues' how many fiscal adjustements that were the final piece in the jigsaw.

I just want to see the RPA given their P45s they have nothing to offer given future fiscal constraints. The production of the railway works order for Metro West just displays they are out of control thanks to a government that is incapable of controlling anything....
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Re: Metro North

Postby missarchi » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:45 am

some one is wearing something powerful...



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 79803.html
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:26 pm

FF stuffing quangos with cronies during its last days in office - Ministers appoint party insiders to roles on key state boards

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 98058.html

By Nick Webb and Shane Ross


Sunday January 16 2011

THE Fianna Fail-led Government is stuffing quangos and state boards with political cronies and insiders in its last weeks of office.

In an unprecedented spree of patronage, ministers have appointed Fianna Fail councillors and supporters to often lucrative part-time boardroom positions.

In the last two weeks, a series of appointments has been rubberstamped by ministers.

Leitrim FF councillor Mary Bohan has joined the board of the Health and Safety Authority, which paid its board members €97,067 in 2009. She was also appointed by Fianna Fail to the Central Fisheries Board and has served, unpaid, on the Fire Services Council.

Donegal FF councillor David Alcorn has been appointed to the National Roads Authority, which paid its directors a total of €98,000 in 2008.

Former Louth Fianna Fail councillor and activist Pearse Hanrahan has been put onto the board of the Railway Procurement Agency, which paid its board members €13,000 last year.

Transport Minister Noel Dempsey -- who is to stand down at the forthcoming General Election -- appointed both men to the key infrastructure jobs.


Fianna Fail party trustee Rich Howlin was reappointed as chairman of the National Building Agency, which paid €11,970 last year. Mr Howlin, a trustee of the party since 1993, is a former director of Coillte. Financier and Fianna Fail loyalist Dan McGing was appointed as chairman of the Drug Treatment Centre Board. The former ACC banker was once the party's auditor.

Former Progressive Democrat local-election candidate Rita Hayes has been put on the board of the National Treatment Purchase Fund with a three-year term. Board members are paid €7,695.

Ms Hayes was appointed to the post by her former Progressive Democrat constituency colleague Mary Harney.

Former Fianna Fail spin doctor Jackie Gallagher is one of the ministerial nominees to join the board of Trinity College. The post is unpaid.

Some 291 plum jobs on state boards are to be filled by ministers by the end of February as the Government bestows its final gifts to its supporters before the expected decimation in the General Election.

Fianna Fail is utterly shameless when it comes to appointing party cronies to state boards.

In recent years, former Fianna Fail general-secretary Pat Farrell has been appointed to the boards of the Health Service Executive, VHI and Dormant Accounts Board.

Former Fianna Fail senator Aidan Eames sits on the board of An Bord Gais, which paid him €11,753 in 2009. He was appointed to the board of the nationalised Anglo Irish Bank last year.

Former FF Agriculture Minister Joe Walsh was appointed by Finance Minister Brian Lenihan to BoI. He is chairman of the bloodstock quango Horse Sport Ireland. The board of the ESB includes former FF councillor Gary Keegan, while the loss-making Dublin Airport Authority has former FF minister Gerry Collins on its board.

CIE's board includes Paul Kiely, one of Bertie Ahern's closest allies, as well as Neil Ormond, who comes from a staunch Fianna Fail background.

But Fianna Fail is not alone in this regard. Progressive Democrat party trustee Brendan Malone has also served on the boards of the Dublin Docklands Authority and the Railway Procurement Agency, while another former party loyalist, Paul Mackay, sits on the board of the IDA.

The Green Party has also seen a number of key insiders parachuted on to state boards during its term in office.

- Nick Webb and Shane Ross


The last days of Saigon.....
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:47 am

Airport passengers fall by 20pc
By Paul Melia

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 98825.html
Monday January 17 2011

PASSENGER numbers at Dublin Airport fell by two million last year because of the recession, the volcanic ash crisis and the Big Freeze.

The Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) said last night that 18.5 million people used the airport in 2010, a drop of almost 20pc from the peak of 2008.

And the DAA defended the number of passengers using the €600m second terminal, T2.

Reports said yesterday that just 10 flights a day were departing from the new facility, despite a massive advertising campaign costing €500,000.

T2 is designed to handle up to 15 million passengers a year and was officially opened by Taoiseach Brian Cowen last November.

DAA spokeswoman Siobhan Moore said that five airlines would be using the terminal by the end of this week.

Continental Airlines, US Airways, Delta Air Lines, Etihad Airways and all Aer Lingus services to London Heathrow would be from T2, and 40pc of all passengers travelling from Dublin would be accommodated in the new terminal.

She added that US customs would be providing a full pre-clearance service from this week, and that final training and testing was being completed.

The DAA was keen to avoid the situation at T5 in London Heathrow where the baggage system failed on its opening day, causing chaos for thousands of passengers,

Dozens of flights were cancelled and planes were forced to depart half-empty, taking passengers with hand luggage only. The DAA said that extensive testing and staff training at T2 would avoid similar scenes here.

"It (T2) was always going to be introduced on a phased basis. We were conscious of what happened in T5. There was an extensive process of trialling and it's a massive operation. We've been working very closely with the airlines and handling agencies and a lot of training needed to be done.

"Airlines are moving their operations in on a phased basis. Ryanair will be the anchor tenants in T1 and they're the biggest customer in Dublin Airport followed by Aer Lingus. Sixty per cent of flights will depart from T1, and 40pc from T2.

"We've always said that T2 is for the future. There's a downturn in the economy, but the reason we built it was because in 2006, 2007 and 2008 it was dreadfully congested in T1 and there were huge complaints."

New figures from the DAA also show that passenger numbers plummeted last year.

In 2008, some 23 million people used the airport, which fell to 20.5m in 2009.

Preliminary results for 2010 show that 18.5 million passengers came through Dublin. The recession and grounding of flights during the exceptionally cold weather of January and December last year, coupled with the volcanic ash crisis in April and May, led to the fall-off.

Last week, the Irish Aviation Authority said that 513,236 flights travelled through Irish airspace last year, a 3pc drop on 2009 but 14.5pc down on the peak of 2008.

It expected an increase of 6.5pc for commercial traffic this year.

- Paul Melia

Irish Independent


Less than 3,000 passengers per hour at intrajourney peak; Luas capacity is 6,000 per hour, when will the penny drop on this white elephant?
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Re: Metro North

Postby neutral » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:08 pm

PVC King wrote:Airport passengers fall by 20pc


There are 14 stops on Metro North not just the Dublin Airport stop.

PVC King wrote:Less than 3,000 passengers per hour at intrajourney peak; Luas capacity is 6,000 per hour, when will the penny drop on this white elephant?


The same type of thinking applied to the original M50 2 lanes motorway around Dublin how much did the upgrade cost?

If you want to get people on public transport and out of their cars you will need MN DU and more Luas lines as proposed.Now is the time to build all the projects as tender prices are well down on 2007 and value for money will be achieved.The DU should still be going ahead as well to delay this project is crazy.

The Luas system is a very good piece of public transport but looking at the future and I'm talking well into the future for a main trunk route on the Northside would a Luas line still have enough capacity in 30/40 years time and what would be the time difference between Metro and Luas form Stephen's Green to Swords?
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:36 pm

At the intermediate growth scenario rate Luas is adequate to accomodate 35 years of growth.

Luas = 6,000 per hour maximum intrajourney demand capacity

Metro North = less than 3,000 per hour maximum intrajourney demand

These are the RPA's own figures.....
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Re: Metro North

Postby DouglasHyde » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:32 am

PVC King wrote:At the intermediate growth scenario rate Luas is adequate to accomodate 35 years of growth.

Luas = 6,000 per hour maximum intrajourney demand capacity

Metro North = less than 3,000 per hour maximum intrajourney demand

These are the RPA's own figures.....


Are you really that stupid or naive that you think a LUAS line will have the capacity to cope with the volume of passengers on the MN route for the next 100/150 years. Given that it will connect Swords, the airport, Drumcondra station where the majority of passengers will transfer for the CC, the Mater, DCU etc etc. And given that both the Green line and Red line are already overcrowded and the RPA now realise they grossly underestimated the popularity of those lines.
As a poster on another forum said to you and I don't think I can put it more succinctly:

"As for your Luas plan - on-street from city centre to airport was ruled out more than a decade ago for several fundamental reasons, including lack of space, lack of segregation and capacity growth restraints. That is why Metro - which is essentially Luas Underground - came onto the agenda and is now the only game in town to serve the northside with a new rapid rail link. It is essentially what was done in Porto - trams on surface outside city and underground through city centre.

Your Luas idea is not going to happen so stop wasting your time and everyone else's fantasing about it on the internet. It is Metro or nothing at this stage. You have lost the debate so get over it and move on"
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:58 am

The figures speak for themselves; the June 2010 cost benefit analysis prepared by the RPA indicated that the maximum intra journey peak demand at 3,640 passengers; the November 2010 planning consent removed stations at Bellinstown & Lissenhall which added 666 passengers between them and as park and ride sites remote to the remaining route and closer to Donabate station than Swords are clearly now out of the picture; the figure of 3,640 was under the intermediate growth scenario allowing 2% year on year growth from 2010 to 2015. This gives a total remaining demand figure of less than 3,000 per hour ans a planning precendent that the line cannot be extended.

Also removed in the planning consent is Seatown stop with c 700 people or almost a quarter of the remaining passengers for which the further leakage to Dart at Malahide needs to be considered by independent transport consultants, not commissioned by the RPA but by the Dept of Finance. With 90m trams Metro North would only require a tram every 20 mins to meet demand; unlike Luas which with 43m trams which could with a tram capacity of 430 persons meet demand by running frequencies of every 8 and half minutes.

Allowing for growth is increasing Luas frequency from 8 mins 30 seconds to 4 minutes over the next 35 years. The fantasy is that a country unable to run its finances independent of the IMF can afford to spend €3bn on a system with a capacity of 20,000 intra journey hourly peak when the demand is less than 3,000 per hour allowing for future growth for 5 years and at that growth rate adequate for 35 years.

I have to laugh at the most recent responses from the Metro North proponents

Fantasy Luas


The Green line carries far more passengers than demand exists for Metro North as there is a higher population and commercial density on the Green Line

Drumcoundra


This suburb has had a rail station since the mid 1990's it is one of the least used stations on the Irish Rail suburban commuter network

We can't release the price for reasons of commercial sensitivity


It doesn't stack up but like the M3 our small band of supporters want it so we'll bury the economic analysis by hiding half the equation

Both Metro North and Dublin Underground will be built


The one that mattered was axed for the sub 3,000 per hour light rail line; the proven demand exists on Dart, it is standing on train platforms with 10 minute gaps between trains and getting onto complete crush loadings well beyond design capacity. Whilst it is proposed to waste €3bn plus on a system that only needs to run trams every 20 mins to meet its design capacity.
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Re: Metro North

Postby DouglasHyde » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:24 pm

http://www.fingal-independent.ie/pre...n-2542594.html

AFTER appearing to sound doubts over the project last year, the Labour leader has said his party is committed to progressing Metro North and is convinced it will pass the test for all major capital projects by delivering jobs early in its development.

In a controversial interview on the Marian Finucane show last year, Labour Party leader, Deputy Eamon Gilmore said the project may have to be 'shot back' but he says that after listening to the case made by Fingal County Council and local Labour representatives like the two men running for the party in Dublin North he has been 'convinced' that Metro North should be prioritised.

Deputy Gilmore said: 'Labour is committed to progressing with Metro North and there is absolutely no doubt about that.

'What we have said is that we are going to take all of the projects in the National Development Plan and all of the transport projects and other projects and revise them in Government.

'What we are going to do is prioritise those projects that are in a position to generate employment at an early stage.'

Asked if Metro North will be one of those projects, he said: 'I have received communications and heard what Fingal County Council, in particular, has had to say about Metro North and the local authority and both Brendan (Senator Brendan Ryan) and Tom (Kelleher) have convinced me that when the test, if you like, is applied on the number of jobs created by the project, Metro North will stand up to that and should be in that priority list.'
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Re: Metro North

Postby missarchi » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:25 am

Will a re-design with architecture create more jobs? nuff said...
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Re: Metro North

Postby DouglasHyde » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:35 am

Stop acting the fool.
If you can.
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Re: Metro North

Postby missarchi » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:05 pm

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Re: Metro North

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Re: Metro North

Postby missarchi » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:59 am

Hmmm...

seems like a tug of war.
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Re: Metro North

Postby missarchi » Sun May 08, 2011 10:43 am

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Re: Metro North

Postby wearnicehats » Sun May 08, 2011 10:54 am

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 03869.html

looks like some sense is coming to the table
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Re: Metro North

Postby PVC King » Sun May 08, 2011 7:36 pm

Dead and buried; now if they could just stop wasting money on something that may be shelved for the next 40 years or so then they could fix the roof in Hume Street and flat complexes such as St Michaels in Inchicore where the PPP process fell apart....
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Re: Metro North

Postby SeamusOG » Sun May 08, 2011 8:09 pm

Leave it, PVC.

And stop trying to pretend that you give a damn about flat complexes in Inchicore. You don't.
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