PVC King wrote:Simon
When you get advice of that quality free; do not look a gift horse in the mouth. There have been enough people wiped out taking chances in recent years, unless you can fund the entire project from cash and can afford to lose it;
PVC King wrote:What I don't get is why if you want to do something that is obviously a major project why you won't simply pop down to the planning office and have a chat; no doubt most planners in local authorites are trying to justify their existance at the mo; you would be very very welcome.......
vca wrote:The best advice I can give you is that you seek professional advice from a qualified and registered architect in order that the exact circumstances at your parents' site can be established. Check out http://www.riai.ie for architects in your area. It is likely that an initial site visit / assessment will cost very little if anything at all.
A lot has changed since the original planning application was made 15 years ago and the planning authority may now look favourably on the re-use and sensitive restoration of the old farmhouse.
Here is a link to the County Kildare Development Plan 2011-2017 Housing Policy and if you read section 4.12.1 it gives some idea of the considerations of the Planning Authorities on this issue.
You got a lot of great and free advice above (my own comment quoted) that is commensurate with your own objectives. I do not understand why you are now turning around and lambasting the very same people who were trying to help and guide you.
vca wrote:Do you mind me asking you what age are you? You are probably quite young if you are living at home with the Mammy on the farm and maybe you still have a lot to learn.
Simon, have a word with Kildare's conservation officer Peter Black. The conservation officer's opinion re the significance of the structure will be key to the planning authority making any decision to 'recommission' the house on the basis of architectural heritage merit. Mud, and partial mud, houses are very typical of Kildare and Leinster counties and are generally deemed to be of significance, particularly if your house is of the scale you are suggesting it is. I don't understand your waryness about getting it protected - either you want to do it right or you don't.
simon.d wrote:.................. Also, could it be classed as an agricultural building seeing as it's positioned on a working farm? i.e. I could be restoring the farmhouse to be a fancy chicken coop...Could that block demolition if it came to it? Does the agricultural aspect throw up any planning oppurtunities? (sic)
Tayto wrote:Please note that the relevant structure has been under consideration and described by Simon.d as :
1. A decommissioned farmhouse.
2. An agricultural outbuilding.
3. A fancy chicken coop.
4. A structure of such local and/or national architectural and historic significance that it is worthy of restoration and conservation with the full support of the architectural, planning and conservation authority,
Why don't you just go and pay someone to make a planning submission?
pandaz7 wrote:Given that you say that we dont appreciate our built heritage surely its the attitude of people like them that is the problem here? When they applied for a "replacement" dwelling were they not then consigning this building to the scrapheap? Are they not the people you should be blaming rather than the local authority?
pandaz7 wrote:How can you now complain that the old house cant be brought to life? That ship has sailed; the opportunity has passed. How can the planners make an exception for your individual case?
teak wrote:It would really have helped had you sketched up the situation so that better judgements
could have been made by the architects here on the forum.
I'm assuming that the old house is ~ 20' on the gable width and one room deep.
teak wrote:I'm assuming that the old house is ~ 20' on the gable width and one room deep.
You must realise that between the need for structural integrity, weathering protection and
proper insulation it may well be easier/cheaper/offer more internal design options to knock
the old structure and rebuild using a vernacular form.
teak wrote:But what you really need here is a capable architect, one who has a name for covering all
the possible planners' objections.
Hope it goes well for you.
teak wrote:From a design point of view I don't see the need for an architect,
Oh, yes you do need an architect !
Are you au fait with all the building codes ?
Do you know for sure that rebuilding directly upon a house that is most likely
off-square by 1' or more (most 50' long houses that age are) will be permitted ?
Do you really know that the spatial vision you want is acceptable building-codewise ?
Most planning officers are from an engineering background and would love to
trip you up on these details and smack you down like an uppity cat.
But aside from all that a good architect will not want to change your vision --
but rather enhance and improve it with a range of options.
And you can hardly expect an architect to successfully present and argue your application
before a planning officer when he/she has had no input whatever into it.
I accept that the choice of architect is something you must do carefully.
You need respect for your own vision and a genuine knowledge and interest in rural
vernacular form, how to work within its constraints and still produce a proper home.
teak wrote:1. Local applicant.
2. Need to live close to parents.
3. Part-time farmer >> need to live close to farmyard.
4. Rebuilt house would be within existing cluster of buildings >> no new blot on landscape.
5. Little additional landscaping needed.
6. Applicant wishes to preserve as faithfully as possible a traditional house form.
7. Any enlargement to original dwelling space, e.g. turf-shed to sun-lounge, would be largely
within existing buildings' scale.
8. Applicant prepared to make all sewage treatment arrangements that are desirable
for such a dwelling in such a rural setting.
teak wrote:I assume that you've poked each of the walls of the old house to see the type
of construction in it ? Take plenty of detailed photos on a digital camera so
you can add in labels for the various layers, etc.
teak wrote:It is something to have that.
But you'd be better to start with your county's official Development Plan.
You can get a copy of this - or its draft version - from your local authority.
That should have criteria for buildings worthy of conservation status.