Milk Market

Re: Milk Market

Postby Griff » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:27 pm

a couple of more shnaps from this morning...

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Jury is out I think until its finished -- I thought the canopy would be more see through ...hope they have lots and lots of evil chemicals impregnated in the material to stop green stuff growing... nice and white now... a couple of years of Limerick rain might take the shine off... the centre pole is also at a jaunty angle...
Bring on the dancing horses!!!
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Re: Milk Market

Postby WelshinLimerick » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:44 pm

wonder how it's going to cope with sudden downpours. Wouldn't like to be standing at the edge!
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Re: Milk Market

Postby Paul Clerkin » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:10 pm

wet i would imagine..... :)
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:50 pm

WelshinLimerick wrote:wonder how it's going to cope with sudden downpours. Wouldn't like to be standing at the edge!


Paul Clerkin wrote:wet i would imagine..... :)


Hmmm . . . . . maybe Frei Otto’s “brollies” from the Tanzbrunnen would suit our Irish climate better and keep our shoulders dry?

Any up to date images of the WIP about, especially from inside?
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Re: Milk Market

Postby teak » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:29 am

The new top doesn't seem very smart to me.
Little or no light coming through.
No full cover.
Mini huts within it, all presumably using artificial light.

Some similar markets abroad use glass roofing.
Used here it would afford natural lighting and more air space above activities.

I know -- it's a bit late now . . .. ;)
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:50 pm

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Limerick Milk Market Goes Under Cover (Vals Kitchen)

Today was the last day that the traders at the Milk Market in Limerick will be selling on the open streets outside since the market began its big refurb last year. It’s been a controversial move, putting a roof on it, a good looking one at that. The old cobbles are gone, as is the open air. It’s easy to grumble about this when I’m not a market trader and don’t have to stand there from dawn after probably not having had any sleep and travelling miles to sell my goods. Next Saturday, June 19th will be the first day of trading under the roof and the market will have new opening hours too. No doubt the day will attract all manner of murmuring and hopefully lots of the loyal customers and great traders that make the Milk Market the thriving hot spot it is.

To mark the change I went walkabout to snap a few producers, traders and head-the-balls.


I stumbled onto this via Bock’s blog. Nice photos Val, Bock! :cool:

Here is a peep from under the covered market. Opening for trading is next Saturday, June 19th.

See more Milk Market posts from “Bock The Robber”.

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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:28 pm

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New-look Milk Market to be unveiled in Limerick this Saturday after €2m redevelopment (Limerick Leader)

By Kevin Cronin

THE NEW-LOOK Milk Market will finally be unveiled this Saturday, when members of the public get a first glimpse of the €2 million redevelopment under a massive half-acre white canopy.

The all-weather venue will feature four new shops and a new mezzanine seating area overlooking the market's main courtyard, with electricity and water at all stall positions for the first time.

David O'Mahony, Chairman of Limerick Market Trustees, said: "the Milk Market, which was established in 1852 and is amongst the oldest markets in the country, now has the most up-to-date facilities of any market in the land".

The new weekly line-up includes a new City Market on Fridays from 11am to 7pm; the Saturday "Famous Food Market" from 8am to 4pm; the "Riverside Variety Market" with arts and crafts, antiques and food every Sunday from 11am till 4pm; and a new "Flower and Garden Market" on Bank Holiday Mondays from 11am to 4pm.

"These upgraded facilities have already attracted new, award-winning food producers to establish a full-time presence there. They have also enabled the roll-out of an extended programme of markets and events at the Milk Market," Mr O'Mahony added.

Two new businesses joining the Milk Market are Country Choice Delicatessen from Nenagh and Ponaire Coffee from Annacotty, who will start operating full-time retail outlets when the site re-opens.

Long-established Milk Market traders, Sallymills Artisan Cakes and Desserts and Fleur de Sel Crêperie will expand their operations at the new Milk Market, alongside new additions like Knockara Patés, Quarrymount Free Range Meats and Spanish Point Sea Vegetables.

"This level of commitment by such high-calibre food firms serves as a huge vote of confidence in the new Milk Market, particularly during the current economic climate," Mr O'Mahony said.

The refurbished Milk Market is widely seen as a huge leap forward in the economic recovery of Limerick and a significant boost to other businesses in the city centre.

The distinctive white canopy, weighing 1.8 tonnes, is the biggest single-support canopy in Ireland and is held aloft by a 79-foot-high, five-tonne steel column. This is around the same height as an eight-storey building.

As a six-day-a-week venue, the Milk Market will continue to add midweek markets to its programme of events, from antique and fashion shows to classical concerts and pet shows.

Further information on the Milk Market's constantly-updated offerings can be found on their newly-designed website: http://www.milkmarketlimerick.ie :cool:
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:10 pm

Excellent photos from today’s reopening of the market on Bock’s blog. :cool:

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Re: Milk Market

Postby teak » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:58 am

I see now why they put a canopy rather than a glass roof on it.:o

Seems the rearrangement of stalls has resulted in more traders too.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:17 pm

A hive of activity captured by Neville Gawley :cool:

See youtube

05:15-08:37 of the first morning of the Limerick Milk Market under its new canvas roof.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby reddy » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:02 pm

Wow looks great. Something for Limerick to be proud of there.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby Mike Kavanagh » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:32 pm

Was in Limerick last w/end and went to market about 10am - place already packed and everybody,simply everybody in the place, very appreciative - I was actually surprised at how bright and spacious the space appears - I recall the enclosure seeming much more dark and poky in the old uncovered days.
Very neat bit of work - once the marvellously high canopy with its inclined support is noted the rest is masterly understatement - a credit to all concerned in the realisation.
Bought favorite goodies and left at 11am really having to push my way out with the crowds still coming in - never saw such attendance before!
Mind you, good stalls left on the outer streets including books and clothes, but the move in by many seems to have allowed these to be more neatly consolidated along the immediate approaches creating a great overall ambiance and real sense of occasion to the market visit.
Mind you - Saturday was one fine bright morning!
Next time I'm down - it will undoubtably be raining - so a return will tell the tale on sustainable brightness and the anticipated side dripping!
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Re: Milk Market

Postby Goofy » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:55 pm

Mike Kavanagh wrote: and the anticipated side dripping!


There are chains in the corners for the the water to run down so there must be some system to funnel the water to these "downpipes". Looking at Bocks pictures, there seems to be a raised lip around the edge of the canopy. Maybe this is a very discrete guttering system.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby Griff » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:50 am

Nice article in the ST yesterday about the market... tried to find the link online to the Culture section of the Irish version.. and failed so scans here... not sure about copywrite infringement... but seeing as I bought the paper then surely Im ok ???

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if anybody could tell me how to show these scans bigger - as in readable Id appreciate it... the files are on flickr
I tried uploading direct from the pc earlier but that wasnt working today for some reason.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:52 am

Nationwide visits the Milk Market (RTE)
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:40 pm

CologneMike wrote:It will be interesting to see how the future market will shape out. . . . . . . .

It is interesting that the market can be broken into three sections.

  • The Limerick City Council regulates the street stalls on Cornmarket Row, Robert Street, Carr Street and in front of the Watergate Flats.
  • A number of the units in the Market walls are privately owned.
  • The Limerick Market Trustees regulates the market stalls within the walls and I presume own some of the units as well.


Will they all pull together?


Sadly the answer is no!!!!!! :mad:

Market fury as street traders get permission (Irish Examiner)

By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent

THE businessman who spearheaded the €2.5 million re-development of Limerick’s famed Milk Market has accused the city council of undermining the retail project – by allowing nearby street traders to compete at lower charges.

As part of the re-development, a huge canopy measuring about a half acre was placed over the market square on a 79ft high mast.

New retailing areas were also incorporated along with a balcony coffee shop.

However, David O’Mahony, chairman of the Market Trustees who manage the market which dates back to 1852, said a decision of the city council to permit 35 stall holders to compete with the market traders by trading on nearby Ellen Street was undermining the viability of traders who pay to set up stalls in the market.

Mr O’Mahony stormed out of a recent meeting with senior officials at City Hall, saying he was disgusted at the decision of the city council.

Mr O’ Mahony, who runs one of the country’s biggest book stores on Limerick’s O’Connell Street, wants the council to suspend the trading licences issued to the traders on Ellen Street.

He said: "They didn’t even have the courtesy to inform the market trustees. They are piggybacking on a significant investment we have made, and undermining the financial viability of the market by duplicating many of the offerings of the Milk Market on another nearby location."

Some traders, he said, had moved out of the Milk Market to trade on Ellen Street because the charge was lower. Others, he said, have been forced to duplicate their operations on Ellen Street.

Mr O’Mahony said: "We have worked on this development for seven years with the City Council at every stage. I find it absolutely astonishing that they can conceive of a plan without talking to the people who have the biggest vested interest, particularly after a €2.5m investment.

"I am horrified and pretty disgusted really. They don’t seem to realise that anything that is happening on the outside of the market will have a bearing on the inside."

Mr O’Mahony said that, for the first time in his business career, he walked out of a meeting when he discussed the issue at City Hall. He said: "They don’t seem to realise that it will significantly jeopardise the viability of the plan."

Mayor Maria Byrne, who is a market trustee, said the council was bound by a European directive to deliver a certain level of street-side market space.

She said the new Milk Market was drawing huge numbers every Saturday morning and the public are appreciating what is on offer inside the market walls and on the nearby street


I thought Ellen Street was just a temporary solution to facilitate the refurbishing of the Milk Market?

Mayor Maria Byrne, who is a market trustee, said the council was bound by a European directive to deliver a certain level of street-side market space.


Fair enough, but what ratio of street-side market space does the European directive state? (1:1 or 1:2 or 1:n?)

So basically the Limerick City Council is increasing the overall size of the Market by adding Ellen Street to it?

It really sucks that the Limerick City Council and Limerick Market Trustees can’t pull together. What’s the real storey here?
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Re: Milk Market

Postby KeepAnEyeOnBob » Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:41 pm

I for one am glad to see the Ellen St. traders get permission. Without them, there would be significantly less of a market and it would be less worthwhile to bother going.

At present there seem to be more stands and variety each week, which surely is only a good thing?

Surely a bigger market will only attract *more* business, not less. I am reasonably sure that if the Ellen St. trading had been shut down, visitors to the market would have decreased.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:24 pm

KeepAnEyeOnBob, fair enough but the Limerick Market Trustees have exposed themselves to a financial risk of €2.5 million by upgrading the market, whereas the Limerick City Council bought a few tins of paint to mark 35 slots for stalls on Ellen Street.

Obviously it’s a delicate balancing act to get many things right like competition, quality, price, stall costs, overheads, sustainability regarding size and growth, etc, etc. The long term success of the Milk Market will hinge on all parties cooperating together.

From what I read the redeveloped market has been a great success to date, it would be a shame if they screw up that hard won goodwill. If the Milk Market traders are starting to switch to Ellen Street then your concerns from a previous post could be fulfilled.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby justnotbothered » Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:32 pm

Why not give the Market trustees the license over who can set up stalls outside the Market? Let them run the markets inside the market and outside it. I don't think the issue is whether the stalls should be there, but rather the cost of the stalls. Let one overall group determine the cost and go from there.

The Market Trustees would pay for the right to determine the cost and the council would save on various ancillary costs.

This is typical of Limerick city council's inability to work side-by-side with anybody.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby Junior » Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:51 pm

The question one should ask is why the plethora of stalls on Ellen St. many of which are very good are not utilising the Milk Market on Fridays and Sundays (and monthly Thursday craft fair) where the market trustees are finding it very difficult to fill the stalls even though they have slashed the rent on these days.On these days it is the stall holders that are losing money every week. More stalls on these days would drastically improve the economic life in the city all weekend.The renovated Milk Market needs to attract the people of Limerick throughout the week and not just be a place to buy dirty cabbage on a Saturday morning.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby zulutango » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:41 am

while it would be great if the market was as busy on the other opening days as it is on Saturday mornings, I don't think the Ellen Street traders take from the Milk Market itself at all. I just can't see what they are getting worked up over. The market is thronged on a Saturday morning and the traders inside the walls are doing great business. I don't think they'd do much better if the stalls on Ellen Street were taken away. If anything, the Ellen Street stalls enhance the market experience on a Saturday morning and the Milk Market benefits as a result.
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:10 pm

Architects Healy & Partners have updated their web site. See link
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Re: Milk Market

Postby CologneMike » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:22 am

Limerick’s refurbished Milk Market wins top architecture award

By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent (Irish Examiner)

Tuesday, July 12, 2011

THE Aviva Stadium and more than 30 other architectural wonders have been toppled by a tent-like structure which shelters Limerick’s historic Milk Market.
The iconic Limerick design has come in the top annual award design presented by the Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland (RIAI).

Healy Architects, were last night presented the RIAI Public Choice Award for their canopy design which has transformed the Milk Market.

The Aviva Stadium, the Long Room Hub at Trinity College and the Humanities and Social Science Building at NUI Maynooth were among the 37 landmark buildings short-listed for the prize.

The redevelopment of the Limerick Milk Market, cost just under €2 million and came on time and within budget last year after 12 months.

Its main feature is a cone-like cover, measuring about a half acre, which is supported by a 24m high central mast.

The concept was originated by German architect Peter Peltz, who has since retired from Healy Architects.

Managing partner Michael Healy sipped a cup of tea in the company offices in Limerick’s Glentworth Street yesterday and enthused: "I am a keen racing fan and this is as good as owning a horse winning at Cheltenham."

He said that Mr Peltz, his father-in-law, had developed similar structures in Munich for the Olympics when the city hosted the games.

Mr Healy said: "We brought in Schlaich Bergermann, specialist structural engineers based in Stuttgart to develop the actual tensile structure."

L&M Keating of Kilmihill were the contractors.

Mr Peltz, Mr Healy and colleagues Richard Rice, Ignacio Etechevery and Eoin O’Grady worked on the project after the firm were commissioned by the Limerick Market Trustees.

Mr Healy, who also worked on the design of JP McManus’ €100m mansion at Martinstown Stud said: "This is a huge boost in these very challenging times and it is great to get this very prestigious award. It is a great boost for Limerick. The Milk Market should now act as a catalyst for the revival of the city centre, which has gone through some difficult times."

David O’Mahony, who a member of the Market Trustees was a major driving force for the project said: "It took six years to get the project from first concepts to completion. I think the market has completely transformed the attractiveness of the city centre and it is a design which has now got national recognition and it’s only a matter of time before it gets international acclaim."
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Re: Milk Market

Postby Griff » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:35 pm

I heard Richard Rice on the radio last week - seemingly Saturday visitors to the market have more than doubled since the re-opening. This award is well merited imho..and for 2 million euro money well spent.. Excellent photos on www.gerryandrews.com of the market from the 1970s.. article also in online Limerick Leader..
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