Tipperary Venue

Tipperary Venue

Postby Paul Clerkin » Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:13 pm

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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby tommyt » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:10 pm

Anyone remember 'Vega City' from about 5 years ago?. I think there'll be more implausible mega-projects to come across the provinces off the back of' 'it'll get de plannin' cuz of de downturn'. They should plonk a Mississippi riverboat in a lake on site as well for the crack.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby damproof » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:49 am

lovin the river boat idea - Lough Derg all the way

What are the bets that the only bit of this proposal that is ever built is the white house? that it's all an elaborate plan so that Dr Quirkey can get his "dream home" on his 800 acre estate without the planning authority looking for revised plans that are more sympathetic to "the vernacular"?

Seriously though, is this thing for real???
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby jackscout » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:04 am

some of the locals seem to think it will fly through planning because of the jobs it will create. The lands currently aren't even zoned at present.

I hope the planning authority have the balls to do the right thing and refuse it.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby reddy » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:48 am

Is this just an attempt to grab some value for the land? Seems totally bizarre and absolutely horrible.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby tommyt » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:53 am

jackscout wrote:some of the locals seem to think it will fly through planning because of the jobs it will create. The lands currently aren't even zoned at present.

I hope the planning authority have the balls to do the right thing and refuse it.


Incorrect Mr. Scout. I think if you consult the county plan you'll find the site is zoned Special Objective 'FTFDBDZY 01'; Funtabulousfandabbiedozy. Land Uses -

PERMITTED IN PRINCIPLE; pitch and toss arena, whist hall, tea rooms, coin pusher arcade game, air rifle plastic duck shooting range.

OPEN FOR CONSIDERATION; Humungous gambling resort- Atlantic City eat your heart out, we're gonna book Gloria Estafan for a 99 night run in the Bog Bowl ye feckers.

NOT NORMALLY PERMITTED; Sanity.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby Davids » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:07 pm

Apart from the feckin white house,it looks great. not gonna happen tho
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby spoil_sport » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:35 pm

Really, you don't think the white house sets the whole thing off, contrast of old and new and all that?
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby EIA340600 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:52 pm

jackscout wrote:some of the locals seem to think it will fly through planning because of the jobs it will create. The lands currently aren't even zoned at present.

I hope the planning authority have the balls to do the right thing and refuse it.


Why?Why would refusing it be the right thing[I][/I] to do?:confused:
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:43 am

Would only be a matter of time before someone painted the replica a tasteful cream and brown
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby jackscout » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:27 am

EIA340600 wrote:Why?Why would refusing it be the right thing[I][/I] to do?:confused:


firstly providing (or trying to) a concert venue that is totally car dependant is anything but sustainable development.

there is a small thing called land use and zoning also to take into consideration, but then again when did that ever matter before!

does the county really need another hotel or golf course I think not. there will be plenty of suitable properties within the NAMA portfolio, without the need to go build another one.

as for how viable it is to develop a racecourse currently, one has to ask why The Curragh hasn't gone ahead with its redevelopment plans.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby Paul Clerkin » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:32 pm

The whole setup is designed to get permission for a casino - nothing less
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby henno » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:09 pm

jackscout wrote:firstly providing (or trying to) a concert venue that is totally car dependant is anything but sustainable development.

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whilst i agree that this is an abomination, i must point out the fact that our most prominent venue, the O2 (point depot) has NO public transport hub!!!!

as a regular concert goer it bemuses me no end that I have to drive from my home town to the redcow, get on luas that brings me as far as busaras and then make my own means along the next 1.5 kw to the O2.... if this venue can be planned as a "commercial venture first, public transport later" type, then why not tipperary...

it would actually be much easier, shorter and more viable for the majority of the country to attend a concert in this location, than the usual choices of either belfast or dublin....
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby EIA340600 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:53 pm

[quote="does the county really need another hotel or golf course I think not.[/QUOTE"]

No it dosn't.

Does the country need another 2000 short term and 1000 long term jobs?

Yes it does.

[quote="The whole setup is designed to get permission for a casino - nothing less[/QUOTE"]

I don't know why that's such a terrible thing.Casinos attract tourism, provide jobs and do a great deal for the local economy.

[quote="as for how viable it is to develop a racecourse currently, one has to ask why The Curragh hasn't gone ahead with its redevelopment plans.[/QUOTE"]

Thats like saying why build roads and rail now, there's a recesion, they wont make money immediately so they aren't viable.Build it now and it will be ready when it is[I][/I] viable
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby PVC King » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:51 am

What wrote:i swear its irelands only choice,
throw up your hands and raise your voice,

MONORAIL!!
MONORAIL!!
MMMOOONNNOOORRRAAAIIIL!


Casinos are a great money spinner no question but you have to say there are two types of Casino the first is City destination such as Las Vegas or Maccau which attract large numbers of high spending tourists who want to play the part of high flyer for the weekend or few days longer taking in caberet shows etc. These locations need time and more critically thrive on agglomerative economics which would be absent from this suggestion.

The second type of Casino is the one that locates in a City Centre and serves local demand or that of people visiting the City for other reasons. They do not attract people who otherwise would not have been in the City. They are ideally suited to development of a high end leisure district and attract investments in aspirational restaurants, night clubs and designer fashion stores.

If a Casino industry is to work it either needs to be of a local scale i.e beside a major racecourse with a number of existing Group 1 races such as the Curragh or Leopardstown or it needs to be part of a Tourism Ireland plan to over time deliver aggolomeration economies that cross pollenate.

With the involvement of local politician Michael Lowrey it really does take on a very surreal twist; I don't think you could have made this one up; a few million square feet of high end leisure at Two Mile Boris in Tipperary.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby KerryBog2 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:38 pm

So it requires Euro460 million in Tipp. Now compare that with Wales.

The first racecourse to open in GB since the 1930’s is Ffos Las, north of Cardiff ( see http://www.ffoslasracecourse.com/general-info/introduction.php )
It has both flat and National Hunt courses, sits on about 600 acres, (200 smaller than Tipp) on top of what was an opencast coalmine. Difficult terrain, there also were river contamination issues to overcome during its building.
Although it is a substantial operation, sadly, it does not have a White House replica. Maybe that is why it cost only £20 million??

Ireland, Mother Ireland, you're rearing them yet!

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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby gunter » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:25 pm

PVC King wrote:With the involvement of local politician Michael Lowrey it really does take on a very surreal twist; I don't think you could have made this one up; a few million square feet of high end leisure at Two Mile Boris in Tipperary.


Two Mile Borris :) . . . . imagine having to give your address as 'Two Mile Borris', . . . . that's like living on Feckin Road, Termonfeckin, . . . you'd get a clip round the ear.

It's a pity in some ways that they didn't pick Knock, a place already on the looney tunes circuit, with the car parking, the airport, the other stuff :rolleyes:
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby jackscout » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:02 pm

A good few submissions on the planning file, including one form An Taisce .
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Casino for Two Mile Borris!

Postby dc3 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:40 pm

According to RTE, plans to build a €460m sporting and leisure development in north Tipperary will be unveiled later today.The planned 800-acre development beside the village of Two-Mile Borris will be known as The Tipperary Venue. The ambitious project will include a racecourse featuring a National Hunt Track, Sprint Track and all-weather floodlit track. A 500-room hotel is also planned to incorporate a casino.

The chief investor is reported as Dublin-based businessman Richard Quirke.


No international airport but 2,000 jobs are forecast!. :D

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Re: Casino for Two Mile Borris!

Postby notjim » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:01 pm

Why would you need a airport, the maglev monorail will bring you straight there.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby PTD » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:26 pm

Why?
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby vca » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:54 pm

Why was there such a big plug for the Tipperary Venue on tonight's RTE news with the planning authority's decision due in two weeks?

I wonder if Mr. Lowry made a submission in favour of the development?
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby PTB » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:17 pm

PTD wrote:Why?


Jesus, thought I'd gone senile and was unable to remember posting stuff yesterday but then I spotted it was my long lost cousin PTD.

How's uncle Pat keeping?
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby Bren88 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:18 am

vca wrote:Why was there such a big plug for the Tipperary Venue on tonight's RTE news with the planning authority's decision due in two weeks?


The decision wasn't due until next week, but they actually made the decision early. A decision was made two frisays ago, 29th october.
It was a conditional grant of permission. A total of 63 conditions.

The Tipperary Venue -Mixed use Leisure Campus comprising: A) Demolition of all existing buildings on site comprising 5No. dwelling houses; 1No. derelict dwelling house; 1No. commercial warehouse/storage build; agric. outbuildings.Total GFA of buildings to be demolished is 2,872sq.m. B) Construction of: i) 500 Bedroom Hotel build. (80,577sq.m.) ii) 15,000 person capacity Venue Build. (23,362sq.m.-to accommodate sports, concerts & other events. iii) Equestrian Centre (5,872sq.m.) iv) Heliport (2,383sq.m.) v) 18 Hole Golfcourse & ancillary Golf Club Build. (3,462sq.m.) vi) Driving Range & ancillary build.(484sq.m.) vii) Chapel (255sq.m.) viii) 31No. Retail units (2,883sq.m.) ix) Hoban Memorial Build. (1,984sq.m.) to accommodate banqueting suite & museum with reproduction Lafayette Park & subterranean link to proposed Hotel Build. x) Grade 1 Race Course (c.23.5ha) & Greyhound Track (c.0.36ha) with shared ancillary builds. (40,358sq.m.) xi) Single Storey Energy Centre Build. (1,530sq.m.) xii) Treatment Plant (252sq.m.) C) Provision of all associated landscaping, boundary treatment & site developement works includ.: i) Diversion of existing site services. ii) Revised surface water drainage regime includ. diversion & culverting of parts of Derheen & Clover Rivers. Relocation of an attenuation pond adjacent to the Two Mile Borris Interchange. iii) Drilling for a potable water supply (on site) to serve proposed development. iv) Provision of 5743No. Car Parking spaces; 136 Bus Parking Spaces; 72No. Greyhound box spaces; 100 Horse Box Spaces. v) Provision of new 4-arm roundabout on R639 to serve proposed develop. Provision of emergency only access rd. with priority junction onto R639. vi) Link Rd. to connect R639 (via new 3-arm roundabout) to recently constructed Two Mile Borris Grade Separated Junction on M8 & construct 2No. slip lanes to complete the diamond interchange. Widening of approaches to roundabouts at Two Mile Borris Interchange to allow two way flow. Segregated left turn lane (on existing southbound diverge) to allow traffic to join proposed Lind Rd in a free flow manner. Termination of existing accommod. rd (on sth. side of new Link Rd) & new access onto northern side of link rd. for exist. accomm. rd. Total GFA of entire develop. 163,091sq.m. The Planning Application is accompanied by an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS). A Waste Licence will be required in respect of this development


The conditions are all pretty straight forward from a quick glance. This is obviously going straight to ABP.
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Re: Tipperary Venue

Postby wiseowl » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:22 pm

Bren88 wrote:The decision wasn't due until next week, but they actually made the decision early. A decision was made two frisays ago, 29th october.
It was a conditional grant of permission. A total of 63 conditions.



The conditions are all pretty straight forward from a quick glance. This is obviously going straight to ABP.


This is probably only an extract from a bigger document, re their application, but can't see any reference to a Casino?? Is this a seperate planning application, or do they have to seek a licence from a seperate authority?? If so how long does that take?
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