Regeneration of King's Island ~ Saint Mary's Park

Re: Regeneration of King’s Island ~ Saint Mary’s Park

Postby CologneMike » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:22 pm

cheebah wrote:More promises ? From Limerick Post Nicholas Street revamp on agenda


Mary has informed Willie . . . . . .

Investment in Limerick's medieval area could make it our 'Temple Bar' (Limerick Leader)

By Anne Sheridan

KING John's Castle and the Nicholas Street area could still become 'Limerick's Temple Bar' by 2012 as a major €5 million redevelopment plan is due to be signed off at Government level.

Deputy Willie O'Dea said he has been informed by Minister for the Arts, Sport and Tourism, Mary Hanafin, that she has given approval for a significant redevelopment of King John's castle and Nicholas Street.

It is understood the full scale of works could cost in the region of €5 million, but this has not been confirmed.

Spearheaded by Limerick City Council and Shannon Development, the plans are part of a proposal to turn Limerick into a major tourist destination.

Shannon Development had applied to the department earlier this year for funding for the works. As part of the overall proposals, some of the derelict units in Nicholas Street would be converted to shops specifically aimed at tourists, while there would be apartments on the upper floors.

Deputy O'Dea welcomed the announcement of funding, which is expected to provide additional employment and boost trade for retailers,

He said he understood from Shannon Development that the Castle’s performance has slipped in recent years, “but they hope that this redevelopment will attract 100,000 visitors annually.”

“This will be a major boost for traders in the area who I know are desperate for something to be done to improve the area,” he said.

Shannon Development’s chief executive, Eoghan Prendergast, told a council meeting earlier this month that the project will be “the linchpin for further development of Nicholas Street, as well as a major development for Castle Lane.”

Fine Gael Cllr Kevin Kiely said 75 per cent of Nicholas Street is derelict, even though the area was primed in in the 1980’s to become “Limerick’s Temple Bar.”

He said the volume of people that visit the area is “unparalleled”, due to the clustering of “unrivalled” attractions such as King John’s Castle, St Mary’s Cathedral, the Treaty Stone, St Munchin’s Graveyard, and Clancy Strand in the general area.
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Re: Regeneration of King’s Island ~ Saint Mary’s Park

Postby justnotbothered » Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:53 pm

How much would 5 million achieve and how many derelict sites do Shannon Development own on Nicholas street?

The problems with Nicholas street go far further than needing to open a few tourist shops, welcome as that might be (if done correctly). Why are Shannon Development so afraid of setting out their own vision for the Island?

Also, it's worth mentioning that CAB are supposedly about to target the houses owned on the Island field by the gangs. If they can remove the gangs from the Island field (very unlikely, imo) they could completely alter the security of the entire King's Island.
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Re: Regeneration of King’s Island ~ Saint Mary’s Park

Postby justnotbothered » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:12 pm

johnglas wrote:Thanks everybody for the comments; the 'solutions' to the problems are well known, but it's the need to implement them with some sense of purpose that's required - the 'vision thing'. The fragmenation of the city into three l/a areas clearly doesn't help and the sooner the boundary is extended the better. But there needs to be a much stronger feeling for what urban and urban heritage is; King's Island should be like York or Chester (can't think of a good example from here - Perth's probably the nearest), but I think the 'contemporary' intervention at the Castle was a mistake (it's far too industrial) and you clearly don't need to invent building types from some fake past, but the area does need some life and activity about it - maybe by the time of the next boom there will be some kind of plan in place (now's the time to do it).

The river is, of course, magnificent, but Moyross... The army should just blitz it in a night, grab all the guns and get all the hoods in court and jail them for possession of offensive weapons, for a very long time. I know, it will never happen. Query, why did all the 'decent' pepole allow the situation to develop to the point it has, and are the Gardai just afraid of the thugs? No city should have an area as persistently and notoriously violent as Moyross. We don't, and I come from Glasgow.


Just wondering are you confusing Moyross with St. Mary's Park?

Moyross is the large council estate out near Thomond Park, it's not really a city centre problem (but yes it is a city problem), it's been reasonably quiet for a good while now.

St. Mary's Park is the housing estate near King John's castle, which is a city centre problem, imo.
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Re: Regeneration of King’s Island ~ Saint Mary’s Park

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:39 pm

johnglas wrote:Thanks everybody for the comments; the 'solutions' to the problems are well known, but it's the need to implement them with some sense of purpose that's required - the 'vision thing'. The fragmenation of the city into three l/a areas clearly doesn't help and the sooner the boundary is extended the better. But there needs to be a much stronger feeling for what urban and urban heritage is; King's Island should be like York or Chester (can't think of a good example from here - Perth's probably the nearest), but I think the 'contemporary' intervention at the Castle was a mistake (it's far too industrial) and you clearly don't need to invent building types from some fake past, but the area does need some life and activity about it - maybe by the time of the next boom there will be some kind of plan in place (now's the time to do it).
The river is, of course, magnificent, but Moyross... The army should just blitz it in a night, grab all the guns and get all the hoods in court and jail them for possession of offensive weapons, for a very long time. I know, it will never happen. Query, why did all the 'decent' pepole allow the situation to develop to the point it has, and are the Gardai just afraid of the thugs? No city should have an area as persistently and notoriously violent as Moyross. We don't, and I come from Glasgow.


Well that's true, but mainly because Glasgow is more democratic and likes to spread its violence around. If you walk alone at night in ANY area of Glasgow, besides the West End, you ought to be carrying pepper spray.

Besides, Moyross isn't even the most violent place in Ireland. It might be the most notorious, but mainly because the Dublin based media want to deflect attention away from their own cesspits.
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Re: Regeneration of King’s Island ~ Saint Mary’s Park

Postby CologneMike » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:41 pm

Castle Street ~ Dutch-Gables Brocas Print from 1826

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Here a few images of Castle Street and The Parade (Nicholas Street) from the 1920’s to 2000.

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Castle Street Corner prior to present day development (Limerick Civic Trust).

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Castle Street gable building (demolished to make way for the Northern Relief Road / Abbey Bridge).

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Aerial of Castle Street Corner / The Parade, prior to construction of the Northern Relief Road.

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Castle Street Corner / The Parade (Nicholas Street) 1920’s. The five gabled buildings on the right are also gone.

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Birds-eye- view / blue arrow indicates the travelling direction of the truck for the image above.

Source Limerick Civic Trust, Limerick Museum and Bygone Limerick.
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Re: Regeneration of KingÂ’s Island ~ Saint MaryÂ’s Par

Postby teak » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:01 pm

Why can't we upload photos any more ?

I'd wanted to show the 20 year heap of rubbish behind the Island Field houses.
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Re: Regeneration of KingÂ’s Island ~ Saint MaryÂ’s Par

Postby onq » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:47 pm

teak wrote:Why can't we upload photos any more ?

I'd wanted to show the 20 year heap of rubbish behind the Island Field houses.


In this case, divine providence must've stepped in...

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Re: Regeneration of King's Island ~ Saint Mary's Park

Postby teak » Mon May 21, 2012 1:37 pm

Such nonsense from Jan O'Sullivan.

Only 33 houses built in the regeneration program because "there was no planning or co-ordination".

The planning for these schemes was nothing short of extravagant, just look at all the firms who got a grand oul swing out of it :

http://www.limerickregeneration.ie/the-masterplans/

It's clear that the dough allocated for this "transformation" was directed elsewhere in amongst the jigs and reels of new government's scratching around.

Thing I don't get in this is why the Head of Regeneration, John Fitzgerald, just doesn't walk away from it all.
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