George Boole's House, Grenville Place

George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Radioactiveman » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:50 pm

Sad to hear that Boole's old home on Bachelor's Quay/Grenville Place is even more derelict than it appears from the outside. A ceiling collapsed earlier today apparently.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby rofbp » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:10 pm

i saw it briefly today from the mercy side.
i didnt hear about the internal damage
there was a small amount of plaster on the road from the gable on the right hand side of that photograph.
i couldnt see it from the front to see if any plaster had fallen from the front.
i didn't see any slates on the ground either, so hopefully the roof is ok

it is quite close to the collapsed (and still unrepaired) quay wall.
potential for legal proceedings against the city council? though i fail to see a direct link myself
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby rofbp » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:10 pm

tried unsuccessfully to upload a photo from today
there appears to be little external damage, but i heard today that the building was to be demolished today. the damaged area is basically the part of the front aspect covered by the tree leaves in the OP photo
however the demolision did not proceed today.
i'll try to upload a photo again later
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Radioactiveman » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:44 pm

Images of Boole's House taken on Thursday (via http://www.brianclayton.ie)

rofbp: How certain are you that demolition is due to happen? Reliable source?
If this is demolished it will be (yet another) sad day for Cork and it's history. Shame, shame, shame!

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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby rofbp » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:14 pm

well, i work in the area, and management forwarded around an email on thursday evening saying that st. vincent's bridge would be closed until the building was demolished and it said friday was the day it would happen. (so my info was second hand, but i would have thought we would have to have authoritative information on any road closures)

obviously, it hasn't yet. i had a look on friday evening and to be honest, i couldn't see any big cracks or big areas of movement on the outside. the damage looked pretty superficial, as you can see in the pics above ( i still can't attach mine for some reason!).

however, i can't speak about the inside or the rear.
hopefully the information i was given was incorrect
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Radioactiveman » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:00 pm

Thanks for the info. rofbp. Like you, I hope that information is incorrect.
More pics of the building as it stands this morning:
http://on.fb.me/csm5Hx
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby CiaránRua » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:40 pm

On a recent visit to Cork, I stumbled upon this house and was initially shocked and then when I saw the plaque declaring that George Boole had lived there, I was doubly shocked! Just thought I would add this photo for good measure of the various bits of rubbish in the small garden at the front.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby CiaránRua » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:41 pm

Oh, I can't actually get the photo to attach...
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby GrahamH » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:37 pm

Almost certainly there is no reason why a house in this state requires demolition. I would imagine the road closure simply sparked such rumours - the reality more likely being the Council's Dangerous Buildings Section moving in to carry out consolodation works.

A fabulous house, as with the wider terrace. As far as I remember being told at the time, the timber floors and joists of the ground floors of these houses were badly damaged during last winter's flooding.

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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby kite » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:22 am

:mad:An absolute disgrace that city council allowed such a historic house to get to this stage.
Why is Cork City Council so afraid to use their considerable powers under the Derelict Site Act in cases such as this?
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby wearnicehats » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:53 pm

article on this in today's IT - can't post a copy though sorry
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby kite » Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:43 pm

wearnicehats wrote:article on this in today's IT - can't post a copy though sorry


Here you go..

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1028/1224282143684.html
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby rofbp » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:26 pm

unfortunately the demolition has started.
parts of the roof has been removed
a large crane is in situ on the quay
the pedestrian bridge has reopened
more photos in next post
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby rofbp » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:27 pm

sad day
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Radioactiveman » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:46 pm

From people's experience, does this look like a precursor to complete demolition or are they just making safe the roof to secure the rest of the building?

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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby kite » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:55 pm

:mad:Absolutely disgraceful; the former city manager and the 31 councillors in the city should hang their heads in shame.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby B.JOS » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:13 pm

Hopefully these works are simply about making the building safe, though the past doesnt instill much confidence. This has to be one of the cities most significant array of georgian buildings. Maybe , seeing as the authorities appear to take little interest in our decaying built heritage, the new UCC school of architecture should be highlighting the plight of the cities built heritage. The city car park saga is particularly infuriating , I am venting now so I shall stop.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby satanta99 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:29 pm

:mad::mad: :mad: I hope that we do not end up seeing the demolition of this building. It is one of my favourite buildings of this period in the city. The whole terrace has a unique form, which is a pleasure to look at. It addresses the bend of the river really well, and it would leave a gapping hole in the streetscape of this area if removed.

It would be an absolute shame if this is demolished without all possible efforts taken to preserve it!

Speaking of the Citi Car Park, I should imagine this site would suffer a similar fate if it were demolished today. Nobody would construct a new building on a site such as this in a desolate market, right next to an open quay wall! It just doesn't add up (maths joke :o)
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby rofbp » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:25 pm

more roof removed today i think.
hopefully radioactiveman, the second part of your question comes true and they are just removing the roof to allow stabilisation work
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Radioactiveman » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:11 pm

Roof seems to have been removed from one 'wing' of this house. Two of the top floors of this wing seems to have collapsed. Building still fenced off and cherrypickers still in place. NIce slide show of images from today here.


Also, just noticed, that if you compare the image by rofbp above to images in the slideshow, it seems that the ceiling of the 2nd floor seems to have collapsed/been demolished after the roof was taken off.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby PTB » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:52 pm

Does anyone know who owns or is responsible for this building?

And does anyone know why there is is such ignorance towards the architectural heritage in Cork? Mount Vernon, Winthrop arcade now this... So sad.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby kite » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:24 pm

PTB wrote:Does anyone know who owns or is responsible for this building?

And does anyone know why there is is such ignorance towards the architectural heritage in Cork? Mount Vernon, Winthrop arcade now this... So sad.


I does not matter who the owner is. It is the responsibility of a local authority to ensure that any site or building within their functional area does not become (or continue to be) derelict.

And the definition of a derelict site is very clear in the Act;

..a derelict area means any land (in this section derelict site. referred to as "the land in question") which detracts, or is likely to detract, to a material degree from the amenity, character or appearance of land in the neighbourhood of the land in question because of;
( b ) the neglected, unsightly or objectionable condition of the land or any structures on the land in question
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Radioactiveman » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:47 pm

Petition now established to show support for saving this house:
Visit here and sign

Close to 700 names at the moment.
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Jim Comic » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:39 pm

passed it yesterday, entire roof was gone and it looked like the inside was totally fooked too
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Re: George Boole's House, Grenville Place

Postby Ping Pong » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:54 pm

Currently builders have cleared the inside of No. 5 Grenville place, and are making the building safe for construction. The remaining rot from the inside was taken out by crane from the top of the building. A Health and Safety Approved Form AF2 is on display at the site.
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