wearnicehats wrote:when DCC set up pay and display parking on our road - at the request of the residents - I actually went and met the roads dept and discussed the position of the machine and the notices. I'll admit that I wanted to ensure neither were outside my own window but there were 2 locations that would land the machines and notices away from anyone's immediate doorstep. We also managed to use existing poles. Unless it is stipulated the lads in the van will feck them where they want
PVC King wrote:Westminster City Council are removing their machines and have moved to a text based system which allows them to manage their enforcement team more effectively by knowing where to avoid areas of full occupancy. In Dublin we could go one better, have the text number painted on the street; as smarter software emerges you could at some future point in time check online where spaces are available.
kefu wrote:I have a fabulous idea. What if we got rid of all parking signs and simply used a double yellow line as indicating no parking here ever.
And then, rather than have five million poles in the city, simply have the parking details: zone, time restrictions, day restrictions etc, marked on all of the nearby cash parking machines.
Would that work?
An Taisce says unused signage poles 'cluttering' city
MORE THAN 100 bare and redundant poles are littering the streets of Dublin city centre, according to a new audit carried out by national heritage organisation An Taisce.
An Taisce has asked Dublin City Council to remove those poles that no longer carry signage and are leading to a “degradation of the visual character and attractiveness of the city”.
The organisation originally wrote to the council last June in relation to a handful of poles in the prime tourist areas of the city, which it recommended be removed before the start of the holiday peak in July and August.
However, when these poles had not been removed by the beginning of last month, An Taisce’s planning spokesman Kevin Duff decided to make a more comprehensive inventory of unnecessary poles in the city.
Mr Duff has photographed more than 100 bare poles in the city, several of which are outside historic buildings and Georgian streetscapes including Dublin Castle, the Four Courts, the Custom House, and St Stephen’s Green. Many of the poles have been void of any signage for several years, Mr Duff said.
“There is no excuse for allowing this mess to build up over the years. When poles are no longer needed they should be removed, instead new poles seem to be constantly added.”
The council has recently erected a number of tall poles around the city to accommodate its new “wayfinding” tourist signpost system. While the signs which have thus far been added were attractive, Mr Duff said, they should not have been erected until the old poles were removed.
“Superimposing these signposts on the old redundant poles is just adding to the mess and excess of signs and clutter in the streets.”
In addition to the unsightliness of poles, they created an “obstacle course” for the visually and physically impaired.
The proliferation of redundant poles was likely to have been a factor in the city missing out on Unesco World Heritage Site designation for Georgian Dublin, Mr Duff said. It was also likely to scupper Dublin’s bid to be designated as World Capital of Design for 2014, he said.
“Talk about putting the cart before the horse. If we can’t get something as basic as signage right how do we think we’ll get design capital designation.”
A spokeswoman for the council said it was dealing with the original poles it received notification of last June, and would investigate the others brought to its intention earlier this week.
Council vows to remove 'eyesore' poles
DUBLIN city council has pledged to remove more than 100 signage poles in an attempt to clear the capital of the "eyesores".
The council said this weekend it would take away the mostly galvanised poles within three months, prompted in part by Kevin Duff, an environmental activist, who posted photographs of each of them on Archiseek, a planning, architecture and environment forum.
Duff, an officer with An Taisce, the national heritage trust, also lodged an official complaint with Frank Crowley, the council's traffic inspector.
In a letter to the council, Duff criticised the 2011-17 City Development Plan and its objectives of "seeking to uphold the quality of the city core as the premier cultural, social and business district" and the "provision of a first-rate public realm".
He said the plan was "almost laughably removed from the reality on the ground" and that "a massive cull of poles and other fixtures from the streets" is required.
Duff's photos show quirky and embarrassing urban eyesores. At the junction St Nicholas Street and Back Lane in Dublin's Christchurch, for example, there are four empty galvanised steel poles within a stretch of only a few metres.
Another image shows a set of parallel poles blocking the footpath in Marlborough Street near the Department of Education. Others are to be found close to City Hall.
Duff says the city would need just a third of the number of poles on the streets if it streamlined and combined signs while removing unnecessary and redundant items.
He referred to a new signage system being put in place to direct pedestrians to historical and cultural sites at a cost of €4.1m, which will involve more poles.
"They are putting in a new wayfinder system against a background of years of appalling clutter," Duff said.
Dublin city council defended the new infrastructure: "It is the intention of the city council to rationalise the level of clutter in the public domain. This will be achieved by the removal of existing signs and poles that are in the vicinity of the new systems' infrastructure."
Zombie poles are not just an issue in the city centre. Barry Ward, a Fine Gael councillor, is a veteran campaigner for their removal in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and moved a motion aimed at cleaning up the borough's poles over a year ago. The motion was passed unanimously," he says. "But I think it was misinterpreted. The motion and the response was to set up an email address for the reporting of ''unauthorised poles', which is a different thing."
Ward reckons the council has the potential to save thousands of euros by doing an audit of all signage poles.
Tom McHugh, director of transportation in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, said the council would remove any unnecessary poles. "It is our policy and practice to remove signage and poles that are unused."
Duff says he could have found more than 100 poles for his survey in the city centre. "You could have easily kept going and there could be twice or three times that amount."
Â© The Sunday Times (3 Oct. 2010)
the council insists (obliged, it says by the NDP) on retaining in situ a large ugly sign on Waterloo Road
StephenC wrote:What a snoozefest it is waiting for the new wayfinder signage to appear! Perhaps it's lost it's way. This initiative was announced at the start of the summer remember. Obviously busy busy times in DCC (not).