List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:14 pm

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Poles time again. Maybe like me you are seeing the poles the with green wrapping around town which are soon to become the new tourist directional sign system (above), but any feelings that the city is getting a smart new signage scheme are cancelled out by the chronic, never-improving, ever-worsening mess and excess of signs and clutter in the streets.

Not only are numbers of poles and signs in the streets never reduced, but at the moment Dublin City Council do not remove bare poles from the streets. Did a lash around town with camera this week and easily found 100 bare galvanised steel poles, many in prominent areas, and many of which have sat there with nothing on them for a period of years:



SOUTH OF THE LIFFEY:

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1. Parliament Street, at corner of Wellington Quay


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2. South Great George's Street at corner of Dame Lane


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3. South Great George's Street


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4. South Great George's Street


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5. Corner of South Great George's Street and Lower Stephen Street


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6. Longford Street, near Aungier Street junction


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7. Aungier Street


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8. Aungier Street


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9. Corner of Aungier Street and Whitefriar Street
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:22 pm

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10. Corner of Aungier Street and Upr. Digges Street


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11. Other corner of Aungier Street and Upr. Digges Street


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12. Corner of Cuffe Street and Cuffe Lane


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13. Corner of York Street and Mercer Street


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14. Mercer Street


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15. Corner of Mercer Street and Bow Lane


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16. Corner of Dawson Street & South Anne Street


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17. Dawson Street


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18. Corner of Dawson Street and Dawson Lane


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19. Molesworth Street
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:28 pm

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20. Nassau Street


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21. Nassau Street


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22. Fenian Street, near Lincoln Place


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23. Stephen's Green South


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24. Stephen's Green East


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25. Stephen's Green East


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26. Stephen's Green North


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27. Earlsfort Terrace


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28. Charlemont Parade


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29. Corner of Charlemont Street and Albert Place
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:30 pm

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30. Harcourt Street


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31. Lower Kevin Street


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32. St. Patrick's Close


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33. Patrick Street


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34. Patrick Street


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35, 36, 37 & 38. Junction of Nicholas Street and Back Lane - four bare poles


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39. Corner of Werburgh Street and Castle Street


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40. Dublin Castle, Palace Street entrance


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41. Thomas Street / Cornmarket


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42. Corner of St. Augustine Street and Thomas Street
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:36 pm

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43. Thomas Street


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44. Francis Street


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45. Corner of Newmarket and Ward's Hill


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46. Newmarket at junction with Chamber Street / Ardee Street


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47. Ardee Street, near Newmarket corner


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48. Corn Exchange Place


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49 & 50. Burgh Quay
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:37 pm

NORTH OF THE LIFFEY:


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51. Custom House Quay


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52. Marlborough at corner of Eden Quay


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53. Lower Abbey Street


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54. Talbot Street, under the railway bridge


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55. Marlborough, at Dept. of Ed.


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56. Marlborough Street, at Dept. of Ed.


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57. Cathal Brugha Street


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58. Cathal Brugha Street


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59. Corner of Parnell Street and Marlborough Street


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60. Other corner of Parnell Street and Marlborough Street
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:41 pm

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61. Corner of Parnell Street and Cumberland Street


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62. Other corner of Parnell Street and Cumberland Street


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63. Mountjoy Square North


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64. Mountjoy Square North


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65. Gardiner Place


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66. Corner of Nelson Street and Eccles Street


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67. Corner of Nelson Street and St. Joseph's Parade


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68. Junction of Nelson Street and Blessington Street


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69. Corner of Parnell Squares North and East


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70. Parnell Street near Moore Street corner
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:44 pm

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71. Wolfe Tone Street at corner of Parnell Street


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72. Capel Street at corner of Parnell Street


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73. Capel Street at corner of Little Britain Street


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74. Capel Street at Ryder's Row


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75. Henrietta Street at corner of Bolton Street


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76. Upper Dominick Street


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77. Uprper Dominick Street


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78. Junction of Upr. Dominick Street and Broadstone


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79. Constitution Hill


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80. Red Cow Lane, at Smithfield
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:46 pm

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81. North King Street, at St. Paul's Church


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82. Corner of Stoneybatter & Brunswick Street


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83. Blackhall Place


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84. Blackhall Place


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85. Blackhall Place


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87. Liffey Street West, off Wolfe Tone Quay


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88. Arran Quay Terrace


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89. Corner of Church Street and Hammond Lane


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90. Hammond Lane
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Devin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:58 pm

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91. Corner of Church Street and Mary's Lane


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92. Chancery Street


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93 & 94. Front of Fruit market, Mary's Lane


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95. Arran Street East


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96. Corner of Inns Quay and Chancery Place


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97. Corner of Upper Ormond Quay and Arran Street East


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98. Corner of Lower Ormond Quay and Swift's Row


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99. Upper Liffey Street


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100. Lower Liffey Street
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby StephenC » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:26 pm

Well done! Sterling work.

Now, I may be wrong but didn't a certain Kevin Duff of An Taisce fame raise this issue in the media a couple of years back. If I remember rightly, DCC committed to remove all the empty poles. Still, its a different time now and there is little or no money in the coffers...which makes me wonder who is paying Sierra to continue installing poles. The latest batch have appeared on much benighted Little Strand Street and the Lotts.

Nevertheless I welcome the new wayfinder signage....but what a pity its not been in place for the main tourist season, or even last night's Culture Night. Why the delay with this one?
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby gunter » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:47 pm

Maybe it's not the Corpo's fault, maybe Dublin has a serial sign thief
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby notjim » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:17 pm

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101. North Circular Road and Royal Canal Bank

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102. North Circular Road, Doyle's Corner

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103. Railway St.

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104. Lombard St.

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105. Lombard St.
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby PVC King » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:27 am

gunter wrote:Maybe it's not the Corpo's fault, maybe Dublin has a serial sign thief


That would assume that the signage actually had a real function in the first instance as if genuinely required said signage would no doubt have been replaced.


You must welcome the new way finding signage it is attractive, fullfills a real need and could facilitate a significant consolidation of aged signage assembled over recent decades.


A thorough review of signage undertaken through a post graduate research grant that looks at all signage in the core City Centre would be a very useful exercise; in the era of SatNav and attempts to reduce traffic levels the finite level of signage that can be placed without visually detracting from the built environment should be rebalanced towards pedestrians i.e. those that are visiting the City to drop cash and support retail/leisure.
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Postby notjim » Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:35 pm

Is the steel not worth something; could they not be sold to a company willing to fill the hole afterwards?
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby PVC King » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:01 pm

Sadly not; by the time pavement licenses, risk and method statements and the like are factored in the costs of removal mount up well beyond the point of the value of a commodity measured in tonnes.
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby jspruit » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:44 pm

The poles are still serving a function as places to lock up bikes with the lack of adequately located and well-maintained bike racks throughout the city. Not their original use, and still an eyesore though to be honest.
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby dc3 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:01 pm

Any sign of a home for the homeless poles?

Looks to me that many of these were "Brennan" poles, for the "R101 E40 P45" signs we were to have to guide us out of Dublin. Always assuming we we knew where the R101 went to.

It is waste Jim - but not as we know it
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby wearnicehats » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:31 pm

maybe the politicians could be told that, the next time there's some sort of spurious election , the bare poles are the only ones that they're allowed to stick posters of their slimey goodfornothing mug shots on. Unless they personally want to pay for the removal of said poles in order that they can invade my privacy by sticking them on the tree outside my house and then not bothering to take them down until they blow off and scrape the bonnet of my car and end up in my green bin. Or not, as they're not recyclable of course.
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby Cathal Dunne » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:50 pm

Speaking of poles, does anybody know when those new signposts associated with the JCDecaux deal are going to be finished? They've been swaddled with green netting the past few weeks and nothing seems to have happened beyond that. You'd hope that the fingers would be installed soon, otherwise we'd just be getting yet more unwanted poles in our city.

I'd imagine that yes, the poles are mostly left over from the days of those strange yellow directional signs which were an idea of Seamus Brennan. They didn't make much sense and their successors really don't either.
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby StephenC » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:42 pm

Now now, they weren't Seamus's idea. They were a DCC idea which Seamus though made no sense and ordered them to be removed. That unfortunate system was replaced by the Orbital Route signage. Doesnt explain all the poles though as they keep on appearing... I think its just a fun thing to do on a Wednesday afternoon.
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby GrahamH » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:43 pm

An extraordinary litany of visually degrading redundancy there, and what is ultimately a considerable waste of tax-payers' money.

Let's work this out. A typical 76mm x 3300mm traffic pole with plastic cap of the most basic variety costs approximately €90. Buying in bulk naturally results in savings, but taking account of the many larger and more complex poles on offer above, including the ravishing H number and the ever-popular L shape, we are talking considerably in excess of €10,000 literally littered like confetti all over the city just with the above. In addition, the longer these poles are left functionless, the more open they become to degredation and ultimately a loss in value. In effect, we have an array of depreciating public assets left to rot around the city. Where is the value in this? Never mind the degrading impact on their host environments.

There are naked pointless poles as charted by Devin, but equally there are fully clothed, and thus even more expensive, pointless poles too.

Take May Lane just off Smithfield - this array of obscene wastage never fails to baffle. We have no less than six poles hosting eight parking signs, many saying exactly the same thing, over a stretch of streetscape shorter than the West Front of Trinity College.

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Only five are marked above.

Why is our money being wasted like this?

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Why on earth is a second pole and two additional signs needed? At most, a single extra sign is all that is in order. Bonkers stuff.

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In all honesty, did they just have nothing else to do that day?

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This type of practice can be seen all over the city. Visually degrading, obstructing to pedestrians, confusing for the intended audience, and a complete waste of public money. Everybody loses. Except the sign company, of course.

Over on Westmoreland Street, the free-for-all in private signage continues, this time in an ACA. An aul H-shape traffic sign stands stranded for goodness how long at this point, while no less than two parking signs signal the presence of a private car park.

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The second one of course newly erected in front of the soon to be installed way finding signage.

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Over on O'Connell Bridge, the operators of the new Leprechaun Museum who are calling for new standards of presentaton in the city, swashbuckle about sticking up there tack wherever they can squeeze it in. In this case slap bang in front of one of the most important vistas in the city. You can't have it every way lads. Stop being so Irish, please - it's embarrassing.

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Need their partners in hamfistedness even be noted. Both stitched onto a raw galvanised pole.

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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby GrahamH » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:58 pm

Things get even worse over on Merrion Square. Just as Dublin's UNESCO submission was being lodged earlier in the year, the Corpo Roads Division were out lodging this farce all over the south side of the square.

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In all honesty, the only reason they did this appears to be that they had nothing else to be doing, or were trying to use up a budget.

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It seems the considerably more expensive pole and the additional sign are both required simply to mark a minute differentiation in zoning.

It's incredible how these guys get off wasting our money and destroying the most sensitive areas of the city in the process.

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Instead of the typical practice of this.

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No pole, no extra sign, no clutter. Personally however, I don't favour this solution on the squares, where the streetlamps are an important part of the urban landscape, and where a less intrusive option is available - in this case, black painted poles and small parking signs. They'd visually melt into the backdrop of dark foliage.

Unlike the likes of this.

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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby StephenC » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:30 pm

Perhaps some of the more imaginative creations above could form part of our submission for World Design Capital:rolleyes:

Dublin's Bid to Become a World Design Capital
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Re: List of poles to be removed by Dublin City Council

Postby kefu » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:06 pm

I have a fabulous idea. What if we got rid of all parking signs and simply used a double yellow line as indicating no parking here ever.
And then, rather than have five million poles in the city, simply have the parking details: zone, time restrictions, day restrictions etc, marked on all of the nearby cash parking machines.
Would that work?
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