Algol wrote:Thanks ONQ.
I'm afraid it would be impossible to get two houses on this site. It's just too small. Added to that are the access and off-street parking issues, plus open space. Nope, believe me, I know what'll fly with the planner and that won't.
One 3 bed semi would be possible, although a traditional pitched roof would breach the vertical limit he put on us (current plan has a flat roof for this reason) so going after a re-design would just open a whole new can of worms.
Beyond all that - this IS an architecture forum, and I would've thought you guys would be aghast at the idea of binning an 'interesting' design in favour of another pastiche structure.
No offense meant there - I know you're trying to suggest solutions that will work.
Honestly, the site location is so good I'd rather sell it as is than do a 3 bed semi on it. If we build the house it'll rent - I have no doubt. This is a high income area (if there still is such a thing in Ireland) and I think it'll bring in a good tenant.
The structure isn't anything really awkward. It can be block built, two boxes basically. The stuff I'd have to drop would be all the expensive finishing inside. It'd be IKEA for the kitchen and furnishings. And no fancy bathrooms or heating systems.
But at least it'd get done.
The windows are what worry me. And the roof. Both could be very pricey.
An architect will explore all possiblities when it comes to design.
A commercial architect will tell the client what he needs to hear as opposed to what he wants to hear.
Its seldom you'll find a site on which you can build a decent sized bungalow on that won't take two semi-d's
To be specific, the advice I gave was in relation to the accommodation type
, not the design type
I gave you marketing advice based on what usually gives the best return/lettability.
You interpreted this to mean trad design, which seems to be interpreted by you as pitched roof tweeness.
I think you;ve been reading too many design magazines though, because there is no such thing as a pastiche structure.
Pastiche design, yes, but its only call that by people who cannot draw curves or decorate a building, still running away - more than 100 years later - from the excesses of the Victorian bourgeoisie.
You, like so many others, seem to fail to realise that the pitched roof form was a response to particular market and weather conditions, using technology and materials of the day, which was pushed well beyond its limits to the parapet-shielded, centre-valley-leaking, double a-frame terrotory of Georgian Buildings - which were the spec houses of their day and which *still* command high prices whatever the market, even in poor condition.
Did you know all those parapets and windows should have lined up? No? There ya go.
We've seen three flat roofs blown off buildings in exposed locations in south Dublin in the past six years, but you go ahead and enjoy the sea view with a flat roof and an overhang, by all means.
Just don't expect anything bac kfrom your architect other than the "exceptionally high winds occurred" response beloved of Jim Pike when the roof disappears.
"Honestly, the site location is so good I'd rather sell it as is than do a 3 bed semi on it"
To me this comment says you're in love with a sea view.
Having live in Martello Terrace for a year and a half when I was engaged to be married, I can tell you that a sea view fades into the background pretty quickly.
Epecially if you're the one washing salt rime from the windows and watching your car rust away from the salt spray.
Good job a lot of cars are made from aluminium panels these days.
The above comment also tells me you didn't use an architect to design your house.
Proximity to shops, neighbours, parking, schools, amenities are all more important than a sea view.
Have you considered all these things in relation to your life plan, if it involves having kids, sending them to school, allowing them develop and make friends as opposed to having to organise endless "play days" for them?
Is this house really an extended ego-trip for you or will it suit the growing needs of a young family?
I suppose all this is post-facto and too late to make any difference to you.
Good job I don't just write for the person I'm responding to, so.
And yes, *someone* has to build houses with sea views.
So to clarify, I think you're not looking at this site from a building return point of view.
You're still in love with the site/view and you're going to build your dream house on it.
That means any comments from this forum about either reviewing the brief for better commercial return or even design matters may go in one ear and out the other.
You may really just want to get the job done cheaply without ruining the "look".
This is a specialist skillset that some qualified persons excel at more than architects.
The nearest forum run by architectural technicians is the Planning Sub Forum in the Home and Garden section over on Boards.ie. Several of the posters here also post there.
OTOH if you really *do* want some design comments then post the drawings of the house somewhere and link to it.
On the matter of design, generally:
If your house is just one more box combination with one side with big windows and a lot of timber cladding, I'm afraid I got jaded with them a long time ago.
For me, the "international style" is just one more means of eroding tradition, history and culture of nations and rebuilding them into the globalist, capitalist utopia the people who gave us this latest recession dream of.
Mondrian-type compositions bore me to tears - there is little of no refrence or context to them - except to other boxes - ergo, my plugs don't fit and after the initial "whee" of opening the largest sliding doors in the county, the thrill fades.
One child's finger is all it'll take to get that designer sued to oblivion.
Semi-detached houses don't have to be pitched roof [although in this climate, you'd have to wonder at the prevalence of badly detailed flatt roofed "boxes" around at the moment], not do they have to be traditionally designed.
You can call them "terraced" if you like, since sea views have a tradition of attracting terracing, and you can put flat roofs on them, although a pitched roof orientated to deflect the worst prevailing winds will make far more sense over the life of the building.
If you want hard core boxes in terraced form, look at A2's work in Lucky Lane near Stoneybatter.
Whatever you do in the end, you have to accept is that should you ever return to it - having let it - it will be a second hand house that other people have called home before you.
I don't think you're prepared for this emotionally, which is why I was suggesting taking a more commercial approach to the building, so you'll fall less in love with it and be more detached in the letting phase.
Building a modern look house particularly suitable to you may affect the letting.
This can be a good thing or a bad thing.
Building something that is cheap to run, may help the letting, but do yourself a favour and ring up five local estate agents and ask them what is letting in the area.
Because if you're building to let, that's a totally different market, and you cannot ride out a recession with an asset in Ireland [possibly still depreciating] that isn't paying for itself until you come back to claim it for your own.
Finally if youreally want to achieve some savings let me underling Doc's advice but amplify it.
Get an experienced architect [at whatever design point you wish to remain at] to look at the house from a buildability point of view and try to balance all the expenditure.
If you decide to build with a traditional form and materials, I would advise on super-insulating the house now and upping the spec of the windows and MVHR by retrofitting later when you come to live in it - the smell of new paint from making good will help the illusion that the house is being moved inot for the first time.