It would probably be better all round if we drop the whole Billy thing [on this thread anyway] Sorry for bringing it up, it's a distraction from the main subject matter which is the future of College Green. Even if there was ever to be a full reinstatement of the Billy statue on College Green, the impact on the space would probably be quite minimal.
A couple of final points:
Bago wrote:Would a reinstatement of Hitler (no comparison obviously) busts and statues in germany in 200 years time represent a maturing of germany, they did vote him in! sounds more like senility.
It seems that, sooner or later, every twisted tyrant, or rampaging hoard of blood thirsty killers, re-enter popular culture as a figure of fun, like Vlad-the-Impailer, or Tayto's pal, Eric-the-Hairyback, so I suppose it's only a matter of time before the future equivalent of the Viking Splash tours will take to future city streets with landing craft full of snarling school-age Nazis resplendent in swastika armbands and brandishing inflatible V2 rockets.
Bago wrote:This is the king that stood over the penal laws, laws that set a deep rot into most of irish society destroying any sense of ambition, entrepreneurialsim, forward planning and civic mindedness. A day to day, hand to mouth society that walked into a famine and probably spawned our current directionless gombeen political system.
My history is a little rusty, but I came across an early 20th century history of Clonmel recently, and the author, a protestant vicar, made exactly that point, that it was the small-minded pernicious penalties and regulations under the umbrella of the Penal Laws that drained the will and the hope out of the catholic population and turned them into the squalid mass of down-trodden humanity that travellers to this country took as evidence of a national character flaw.
In that context Bago's summary is right on the money, except that the bulk of the penal laws were enacted well after William's death in 1702, and if the people responsible for this subsequent penal regime were almost certainly prominent amongst those parading in Orange celebrations, does that make it fair to find William guilty of this by posthumous association?
Tuborg wrote:The way I see it. If that monument still existed, maybe lying in a scrapyard. Then it could have been put back on display somewhere. However seen as it was destroyed, blown up or whatever. I really don't see the point in going to the bother of creating a replica.
That's a fair point.
The way I heard it, the monument 'was damaged in an explosion'
in 1929 and the decision was taken to remove it and that this coincided with the Eucharistic Congress etc.
That doesn't sound like it was destroyed, I wonder if it's dismantled remains are lying forgotten in a store somewhere?
As regards that charade, the love Ulster march. It was to be nothing more than a lap of honour for the anti-Irish brigade up there. Looking back, it was embarrassing to see just how many people were hoodwinked by the whole thing. Although not as embarrassing as those scummers tearing the place asunder!
I think the whole 'Love-Ulster'
thing was just misjudged. I think the authorities down here wanted the event to come in under the radar, pass off after attracting only mild attention as if it was no big deal and then afterwards everyone could take their time digesting the huge significance of the fact that it had actually taken place.
Unfortunately not everyone was on the same page.
That it turned into a dangerous fiasco shouldn't detract from the fact that it was a brave thing to attempt.