Disability Access Cert

Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby onq » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:58 pm

Thanks parka.

My concern would be that a lot of this was previously part of the fit out works to a commercial building for example, and will end up drawing the discipline of interior design into the statutory approvals theatre - that should be fun!

I suppose they could always go for a revised cert if necessary.

Don't get me wrong, its great to see buildings becoming better designed through regulation to benefit those of us with disabilities.

But it means a lot of front-loading of design and that means the client paying up front.

Two chances.

Still - stick any former able bodied male in a wheelchair after a ski-ing accident if you want to hear REAL bitching and complaining about access to buildings...

But right now we need to give jobs to almost half a million people, including those with disabilities.

I'm beginning to think this is more paper shuffling by someone pretending they are making a difference to the general public, while ignoring things like flood defences and who is responsible for the level of the Shannon Water.

Wonder who that might be...?

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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby Solo » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:08 am

Lodged my first DAC with DCC. The BC officer has altered the form to a variation not included in the Act and is refusing to accept the statutory form. Is also refusing to allow me to certify drawings and insists my client must certify the drawings and sign the application form. I am unable to locate these stipulations in the act. Anyone have these difficulties yet. Along with this my client is the landlord and he is constructing the shell only the tenant will do all of the fit out. But again we are being asked to supply all of the tenant fit out information and is BCO is refusing to accept for landlord works alone. Not a good start.
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby wearnicehats » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:28 am

parka wrote:While the DAC's does not say it, You have to show how you are going to provide provisions for all types of disabilities and not just just access and people movement.(Otherwise you'll end up with a set of conditions telling you to to provide them)

While Part M does not make reference to it, you still need to consider tonal contrast, accessible toilet / changing facilities, hearing enhancement systems, type of floor surfaces.

What you are providing is an Access Statement as to how people with disabilities will use the building and what provisions have been provided to ensure they use the building without the assistance of others.


are there any exemptions? say, for example, a small change of use (under 100sqm) that requires an upgrade - accessible wc, level access - but no need for hearing loops etc.
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby onq » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:48 pm

Solo wrote:Lodged my first DAC with DCC. The BC officer has altered the form to a variation not included in the Act and is refusing to accept the statutory form. Is also refusing to allow me to certify drawings and insists my client must certify the drawings and sign the application form. I am unable to locate these stipulations in the act. Anyone have these difficulties yet. Along with this my client is the landlord and he is constructing the shell only the tenant will do all of the fit out. But again we are being asked to supply all of the tenant fit out information and is BCO is refusing to accept for landlord works alone. Not a good start.


Cut to the quick Solo - where is this?

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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby Paul Lee » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:24 am

Here's a link to Cork City Council Presentation from yesterday on DACs: http://bit.ly/biqmUv

and here's an Irish Wheelchair Association Standards May 2009 SketchUp Bathroom model: http://bit.ly/IWAmodel

Here's notes from the session also:
Disability access certs

Each authority interprets regulations
Fire Cert: 7 day notice!
Part M compliance for extensions to dwellings to be introduced.
BS 8300 is better than Part M. Don't use new draft Part M
Offence to start works without Fire Cert but not DAC. Offence to occupy building without DAC.
Material Change of use should seek DAC even where changes
At the moment DAC is not reqd with commencement Notice by CCCs but this could change.

Note: Use all above info at your own risk. Let me know if any broken links.
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby missarchi » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:33 am

I feel sorry for your guys...
They wonder why the economy is in tatters...
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby goneill » Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:57 am

Are DAC's required for Protected Structures where there is change use, and therefore a Fire Cert is required, but there will be no works? If so, can you apply for a relaxation of the Building Regs?

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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby onq » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:26 pm

Paul Lee wrote:Here's a link to Cork City Council Presentation from yesterday on DACs: http://bit.ly/biqmUv

and here's an Irish Wheelchair Association Standards May 2009 SketchUp Bathroom model: http://bit.ly/IWAmodel

Here's notes from the session also:
Disability access certs

Each authority interprets regulations
Fire Cert: 7 day notice!
Part M compliance for extensions to dwellings to be introduced.
BS 8300 is better than Part M. Don't use new draft Part M
Offence to start works without Fire Cert but not DAC. Offence to occupy building without DAC.
Material Change of use should seek DAC even where changes
At the moment DAC is not reqd with commencement Notice by CCCs but this could change.

Note: Use all above info at your own risk. Let me know if any broken links.


Much obliged Paul.

I'm advising clients in relation to these now and that sums it up nicely.

Everybody is a bit panicky looking at yet another expense/barrier to opening a business.

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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby robt » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:53 pm

Just preparing my 1st DAC............

Is there any guidance on DAC's & new extensions to existing buildings that may not comply from a Disabled access perspective?

Does the existing building have to be upgraded?

Any assistance much appreciated.
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby henno » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:33 pm

robt wrote:Just preparing my 1st DAC............

Is there any guidance on DAC's & new extensions to existing buildings that may not comply from a Disabled access perspective?

Does the existing building have to be upgraded?

Any assistance much appreciated.


AFAIK compliance with building regs part m is minimum compliance.
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby onq » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:43 pm

There is a new Part M 2010.

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/D ... 773,en.pdf

It doesn't apply at the moment.

Transitional Arrangements

In general, this document applies to
works, or buildings in which certain
material changes of use take place,
where the works commence or the
change of use takes place, as the case
may be on or after 1 January 2012.
Technical Guidance Document M –
Access for People with Disabilities, dated
2000, also ceases to have effect from that
date.

However, the latter document may
continue to be used in the case of works,
or buildings where –
(a) the works commence or certain
change of use takes place, as the
case may be, on or before 31
December 2011, or

(b) the works, or buildings are the
subject of –

(i) a planning application made on
or before 31 December 2011
for planning permission or
approval pursuant to the Local
Government (Planning and
Development) Act 2000, and
where substantial work has
been completed by 31
December 2013, or

(ii) a notice pursuant to the
provisions of Part 8 of the Local
Government (Planning and
Development) Regulations
2001 (S.I. No. 600 of 2001) has
been published on or before 31
December 2011, and where
substantial work has been
completed by 31 December
2013, or

(c) a Fire Safety Certificate or a
Disability Access Certificate under
the Building Control Regulations, in
respect of the works or buildings,
has been granted on or before 31
December 2011, and where
substantial work has been
completed by 31 December 2013.
“Substantial work has been completed”
means that the structure of the external
walls has been erected.
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Re: Disability Access Cert

Postby wearnicehats » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:06 pm

typical civil service timescale - totally ridiculous. This new legislation should be effective across the board (with the exception of those under the disability access cert legislation) from 1st January 2011, not 2012
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