Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby missarchi » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:37 am

did you see arops proposal for tallart?
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:58 pm

cgcsb wrote:currently, there are no busses terminating services on College Green.


Several buses make their last stop (aka their "terminal" stop) at college green, or just before or after it.

cgcsb wrote:we have all the time in the world, it is not a critical situation.


That's why I said "IF a pedestrianised College Green is wanted by 2016."
If you read the title of the thread you'll note that the thread starter had a pedestrianised college green in mind for 2016. ;)
I also said that a tunnel could work if we had 'till after 2016 t do it.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:16 pm

EIA340600 wrote:Several buses make their last stop (aka their "terminal" stop) at college green, or just before or after it.
no not one. The nearest terminals are on fleet st and Hawkins street. Not one of them is on College Green.

EIA340600 wrote:That's why I said "IF a pedestrianised College Green is wanted by 2016."
If you read the title of the thread you'll note that the thread starter had a pedestrianised college green in mind for 2016. ;)
I also said that a tunnel could work if we had 'till after 2016 t do it.


if the Port Tunnel can be comleted in 6 years. Why not this tunnel? it'd be far shorter, would have no under water sevtions and need not be of motorway standard.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby johnglas » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:24 pm

forrestreid: Glasgow has no bus terminal at all for any of the 'city' (actually Firstbus) buses; they originate at simple stops or terminals at the beginning and end of each route. (For example, in a Dublin context, Route no.1 would go from Tallaght to Ballymun via the City Centre.) There is a large bus treminal at Buchanan St, but that is the equivalent of Busaras and is for longer, out-of-town routes. A small no. of buses (I can at present think of only one) do have a terminal destination in the 'city centre' - not in the 'deep centre' - and there is a hub (connecting to subway and overground rail) at Partick, but that is about 2 miles west of the centre.
Buses simply do not need to stop in the centre for any length of time and the last thing you need is some kind of over-engineered tunnel fantasy.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:34 pm

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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:36 pm

cgcsb wrote:no not one. The nearest terminals are on fleet st and Hawkins street. Not one of them is on College Green.


1, 2, 3, 7b, 7d, 7n, 11/a, 13/a, 14, 14a, 15, 15a, 15b, 15e, 15f, 15n, 16, 16a, 19, 19a, 20b, 25, 25a, 25x, 25n, 26, 27n, 29n, 31n, 33n, 37, 38/a, 39b/c, 39n, 40n, 41x, 41n, 42n, 44, 44b, 44n, 46a, 46b, 46c, 46d, 46e, 48a, 48n, 49n, 50, 51n, 54n, 56/a, 63, 66, 66a, 66b, 66d, 66x, 66n, 67, 67a, 67x, 67n, 69n, 70/a, 70n, 74, 74a, 77, 77a, 77x, 83, 84n, 88n, 92, 116, 118, 121, 122, 123, 128, 140, 142, 145, 151, 150, 746 all stop , according to Dublin Bus, at Trinity College...I can't be sure, but I know that at least 5 of these that I've traveled on call "last stop" there.

Anyway, it dosn't really make a difference whether or not they make their final stop at college green.What matters is that they pass through it, stopping and lingering on the way.

cgcsb wrote:if the Port Tunnel can be comleted in 6 years. Why not this tunnel? it'd be far shorter, would have no under water sevtions and need not be of motorway standard.


Because there is no money and no vision to do it..Other than the vision of some people on this forum.

Do you really think it appropriate to spend money on a tunnel for cars in the city center rather than spending every spare euro on an improved mass public transport?(A tunnel would only be of modest benefit to bus travel times.)

I believe a pedestrianised Green could be achieved without the large amount of cash required to build an underground tunnel in the city center.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:51 am

EIA340600 wrote:1, 2, 3, 7b, 7d, 7n, 11/a, 13/a, 14, 14a, 15, 15a, 15b, 15e, 15f, 15n, 16, 16a, 19, 19a, 20b, 25, 25a, 25x, 25n, 26, 27n, 29n, 31n, 33n, 37, 38/a, 39b/c, 39n, 40n, 41x, 41n, 42n, 44, 44b, 44n, 46a, 46b, 46c, 46d, 46e, 48a, 48n, 49n, 50, 51n, 54n, 56/a, 63, 66, 66a, 66b, 66d, 66x, 66n, 67, 67a, 67x, 67n, 69n, 70/a, 70n, 74, 74a, 77, 77a, 77x, 83, 84n, 88n, 92, 116, 118, 121, 122, 123, 128, 140, 142, 145, 151, 150, 746 all stop , according to Dublin Bus, at Trinity College...I can't be sure, but I know that at least 5 of these that I've traveled on call "last stop" there.


Maybe If I wrote it in capitals, you would understand better, NOT ONE OF THOSE BUS SERVICES TERMINATES AT COLLEGE GREEN!!!!!!!


EIA340600 wrote:Because there is no money and no vision to do it..Other than the vision of some people on this forum.

Do you really think it appropriate to spend money on a tunnel for cars in the city center rather than spending every spare euro on an improved mass public transport?(A tunnel would only be of modest benefit to bus travel times.)

I believe a pedestrianised Green could be achieved without the large amount of cash required to build an underground tunnel in the city center.


I don't advocate for a tunnel myself, some traffic calming measures and diversions are enough to handle the private traffic, I think busses should be allowed access to College Green as long as they share space with the luas and only stop at luas platforms.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:47 am

cgcsb wrote:Maybe If I wrote it in capitals, you would understand better, NOT ONE OF THOSE BUS SERVICES TERMINATES AT COLLEGE GREEN!!!!!!!


Like I said..It dosn't matter whether or not they terminate there, what matters is they ALL stop there, linger there and pollute there.

Surely we could have a system like johnglas mentioned was in Glasgow.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby wearnicehats » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:35 pm

This will probably make me the brunt of many an ire as usual but – Am I missing something here? What is the point of this? WHY is everyone obsessed with pedestrianising college green? What is this obsession with inconveniencing users of public transport? College green is a transient place for both people and traffic. It is a nightmare to walk around for 2 simple reasons – Trinity and the 5 lane superhighway that runs through the centre.

How would it actually benefit the city? So that tourists could take a photo of the bank and / or trinity without a bus in it? Who would actually choose to go and sit around there and why?. It is surrounded on all sides by tall imposing buildings which allow it virtually no direct sunlight for most of the day, most of the year

All it would do is allow those people travelling from north / south or east / west to avoid waiting for a few sets of traffic lights

Here’s a much cheaper option

Permanent inclusion of the bus corridor

Removal of the wide median in the centre and relocation of the trees to the sides.

Reduction of traffic in both directions to one lane only – adjacent to each other in the centre. Feck the taxi drivers somewhere else and get them the hell out of Foster Place. 2 lanes of traffic are quicker to cross meaning shorter green man times, longer green lights and better traffic flow despite the loss of lanes

Additional space freed up given over to creating 10 metre wide pedestrian areas in front of trinity and the bank. (10m is the equivalent width of Grafton street). This would be even larger if Trinity would move their fence line back (yeah yeah sacrilege etc) but, really, what use is that green space?

This would also allow Foster Place to interact more with College Green with at least one end of it bathed in some form of sunlight. It also allows fluid pedestrian movement whilst allowing people to linger without being shoulder charged into the path of a bus. If you want somewhere nice to sit and have your lunch go into Trinity

There’s no need for tunnels, no need for underpasses or overpasses. People have been crossing roads for years. Buildings aren’t lit up at night any more. The central bank is a dreary thing to look at. WE DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR FRIVOLITY ANYMORE
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby OisinT » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:02 pm

We don't have money to not build something public. No country has ever saved their way out of a recession.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby wearnicehats » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:39 pm

OisinT wrote:We don't have money to not build something public. No country has ever saved their way out of a recession.


ummm. yeah

anyway - there's 589 suggestions on here

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3377&page=11

(in case anyone forgot)
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 pm

EIA340600 wrote:Like I said..It dosn't matter whether or not they terminate there, what matters is they ALL stop there, linger there and pollute there.

Surely we could have a system like johnglas mentioned was in Glasgow.


but that's not what you origional post was, you said "why do so many busses HAVE to terminate there" I merely pointed out that none do
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:59 pm

If this is going to be done, it should be done in small phases. First, something we can all agree on. Get rid of the taxi's out of foster place and get them off Gafton st. Make the bus gate permanent, put in a zebra crossing then asses the situation. Then if the situation still warrents it, reduce the permanent bus gate to one lane each way, sharing with luas.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:53 pm

cgcsb wrote:but that's not what you origional post was,


Coming from you who originally suggested a tunnel as a solution, and then said-

cgcsb wrote:i don't advocate a tunnel myself


I was just trying to point out that an underground tunnel here seems ridiculous to me.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:22 pm

EIA340600 wrote:Coming from you who originally suggested a tunnel as a solution, and then said-


I actually didn't origionally suggest a tunnel as a solution if you'll kindly read back on my posts.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby missarchi » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:54 am

the world is your crayon children:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uovMpapeCJQ
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:33 am

erm, relevance?
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby Yixian » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:26 pm

We're now accepting mockup submissions on our facebook group, and we're providing a sample imageto work from.

Here's my first attempt:

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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:06 pm

cgcsb wrote:I actually didn't origionally suggest a tunnel as a solution if you'll kindly read back on my posts.


Yes you did.

cgcsb wrote:. To make this happen, it will require a hard engineering solution, like a tunnel.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby EIA340600 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:08 pm

Yixian wrote:We're now accepting mockup submissions on our facebook group, and we're providing a sample imageto work from.

Here's my first attempt:

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Not bad...Love the huge cobblestones!!;)
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby Yixian » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:26 pm

Haha yes, I should probably go back and resize/repeat that texture xD Cobbles would be nice, although flat stone would be nice too, perhaps with a celtic pattern around the fountain in marble.

Actually I forgot to add two stone arches rather like the Fusilier's arch (or possibly ornate cast iron) on the entrances to the square on Westmoreland and Grafton St.. in fact I will add those in later.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby missarchi » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:41 pm

the ball has started rolling and the tap has started dripping...
Yeah I would get rid of those kind of seats!
The arc idea sounds interesting...
it would be good if someone had a wide angle shot from about 30-50 metres back from this photo
that could be used to add more context.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39464557@N05/3629145725/sizes/l/

sharpen your images if you make them small it makes them more readable.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby Yixian » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:51 pm

I quite like that style of bench but I'd definitely move them way out of the way way on reflection, not sure what I was thinking there.

I'll do a second attempt soon.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:26 pm

EIA340600 wrote:Yes you did.


then quote it, I merely discussed it's advantages/disadvantages never once said I was in favour of it.
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Re: Pedestrianise College Green for 2016

Postby cgcsb » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:57 pm

I'd prefere a more walkable surface for the bust through pedestrian traffic, cobbles are hard especially when you're sporting a pair of sensible heels.
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