NK111 wrote:Thanks ONQ for your helpful advice, I suspect though in reality that it is not possible to accumulate the 20 hours without it costing at least €1000. But thank you, you may have saved me the other €1000.
You're very welcome.
I think I have saved you a lot more than a grand.
Many of the AAI Events and Lectures and Site Visits are CPD rated - I visited McCullogh Mulvin's Long Hall Hub in Trinity on Saturday and attended at the Instituto Cervantes FreshLatino Lecture in Lincoln Place on Thursday evening.
Once you've paid your €80 for the year that's it - attendance at the lectures is usually free for members and your site visits are covered by insurance.
Yesterday there was a lunchtime CPD in our office, but I was unable to attend being on site.
That is something you need to address with your employers and for a hard working devil like yourself they should be more accommodating if they can but let's face it, how can they unless they provide after hours lectures - you can get these with the AAI!
I'm not a founding father of the AAI BTW I just think they offer a good deal.
The job I'm currently working on (medical) demands about 55-60 hours a week minimum, and as the project architect I cannot very well abscond at will, to for example spend three days at a CPD. But obviously, I’m learning nothing as I carry out this work as far as the RIAI are concerned. (You cannot use research carried out for a project that you are working on as part of your CPD obligations, if this isn’t blatant fee-generating antics, what is?)
I have an issue with this and intend to raise it with the RIAI after I apply for registration.
It seems patently obvious to me that research/CPD should be required for every project you attempt and
that it should be part of the project brief and
that it should count towards your years points.
It seems utterly odd that CPD should be carried out or undertaken in some abstract way or in a way remote from the project work you are currently undertaking.
That's not to suggest that the CPD should ONLY relate to project work either.
You need a balance between work related CPD and CPD which helps you re-focus your design training and open your mind to new intellectual stimuli as well as refresh your memory of academic studies from years ago.
Nor is it to suggest that you should get away with pretending you're learning the same planning or building regulation amendment for twenty projects!
There are 500-odd Directives issued by the EU each year and if you spent only half a day reading and researching each one you'd have almost no time for working on fee-generating activities.
Admittedly not all are relevant to archtiects, but it gives you an idea of the volume of bureaucratic chatter that's emanating from Brussels.
I also note bitasean's point, and it’s a grave point that really does need to be considered by the RIAI. I wonder does the inclusion of out of hours structured CPDs effect equality legislation, does it discriminate against parents? Are they to lose their professional standing because of their parental obligations?
Let's not panic about this one - again there are workarounds.
Like posting competent advice to Archiseek.com at 4 o'clock in the morning!
I prefer the AAI in part because the price is right and in part because the timing is perfect for me - Thursday nights starting at around 7-730 pm and Saturday mornings starting at around 9.30-10.30 am.
The AAI is staffed by volunteers AFAIK and they have jobs to keep down too, so its no wonder the hours are suited to people who work and/or have kids.
I think it can be accepted that most practicing architects work extremely long and anti-social hours already, of course this culture seems to stem from the "its a vocation" attitude fostered in our colleges, demeaning effort and time, and this modus operandi is then nurtured by relatively poor industry salary levels, compounded by established fee levels that seem to have left most firms on life-support drip-fed on a job by job basis? Fair enough we cut our cloth to fit, but what irks me is when an institute that I support (financially), rather than it supporting me in any way (over the years it has simply been an expense to me), adds to the pressure with ill-considered, time-impacting, window dressing procedures.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Gather support, hold meetings, produce recommendations and submit them to Council and FOLLOW UP at the AGM by proposing motions and ensuring you have support there on the night - that's democracy in action.
This has got me thinking, the ARB fee in the UK is less than Â£90 to my knowledge (I’m not referring to the RIBA fees, which are unnecessary). To my belief, and here I could be in error, the RIAI must register persons as per EU Directive, once they qualify, I think this costs in the region of €250. My point being, maybe it is possible to register under ARB using my RIAI membership as a qualification, then next year with the renewed ARB membership, apply to be registered for Ireland by the RIAI and not join them, and save a fortune? The CPDs are an RIAI members obligation, and not a registration prerequisite. Would I be correct here?
According to the way the Building Control Act 2007 is worded, only Members of the Institute are entitled to automatic Registration.
The ARB do not accept RIAI Membership as qualifying for British registration AFAIK.
You don't have to join or be a Member of the RIAI to be a Registered Architect.
You have to be assessed as being competent and the de facto standard is that of MRIAI.
Registration is a separate process.
However representation of the profession to other groups like Government and in other forums is something every architect should consider and the RIAI certainly seem to have a lot of of the heavy hitters on their books and their intellectual capital cannot be undervalued when dealing with John Gormley's office, for example...
Sorry goneill, I apologise, I addressed young architects, as from a UCD class that qualified in the early 2000s I am the only one still in full-time employment. I am currently witnessing two of my old classmates about to lose their homes and be left in one case over €200k in debt. I agree that this is probably happening to older architects also. The institute really needs to wake up!
I am so sorry to hear bout your friends plight.
I agree that it appears as though there is some detachment from the figures on the ground.
I watched some of the new president's inaugural address online [wouldn't fully load, dammit] and he spoke of "over 50% of architects" being out of work.
I know of three firms who are down to 10% of their staff levels of two years ago.
That's right - down to
10% and not down by
150+ --> 11
21 --> 2
17 --> 2
The best result that I know of is this one; -
And most of the staff there are working a three-day week.
As for shocks, well, they're there too - Traynor O'Toole (Dublin) just disappeared
two weeks ago.http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo-irish-hq-architects-traynor-otoole-to-wind-up-dublin-business-2038543.htmlhttp://www.insolvencyjournal.ie/more_details/10-02-10/Appointment_of_liquidator_Traynor_O%E2%80%99Toole_Architects_Limited.aspx
All the above practices are/were run by MRIAIs.
These facts should be available to the president and I doubt these are unrepresentative.
I don't know where Paul Keogh is getting his "over 50%" reference from as anecdotally it seems like "over 80%" of staff are gone in larger practices,. with sole traderships hanging on by the skin of their teeth.
Perhaps he means that over 50% of MRIAI's are gone.
If that is so he should include a reference to Graduate Architects in the figures.
However I don't think that is the case - I think the numbers are being maintained by sole traders.
These are the people who cannot bid for Government Contract work because their turnover is less than €250K annually.
With no chance of getting gainful employment from the state, sole traders are reduced to niche markets and working outside the profession or going abroad on contract to make ends meet.
"The worst form of tyranny the world has ever known the tyranny of the weak over the strong. It is the only tyranny that lasts." Oscar Wilde as he sat there on Merrion Square looking across the street at the RIAI
Oh I don't know, you'll get the type of intellectual tyranny that foists literary quotations on you at the drop of a hat as well. LOL!
Here, catch:"True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made."
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt