Galway inner City opinions?

Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:12 pm

BTH wrote:And anyway, does it really matter that much? ;)


Haha, good point, we have totally gone off topic.

Anyway it looks like both the new Headford shopping centre re-development and the crown development have either been stalled or stopped altogether, i haven't seen any movement in ages.

Oh 100th post,woot :D:D
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Derrick Galway » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:17 pm

Galway had such a successful Volvo Ocean Race Festival at the dockland site. Does anyone out there have any opinions on what should be done with the 6 acre site where the oil tanks once stood, before they were torn down to accomodate the race village.

Galway Harbour Company is looking to sell off 32 acres of Brownfield land to development in order to pay for its Grand Master Plan. Which is, to relocate the Port outside the existing tidal harbour on land to be reclaimed from Galway Bay. 100 acres approx over 3 staged cycles taking 20 years. Oh. And a 1.4k pier out into the bay. The idea is to be able to reach deep enough water to accomodate cruise liners and larger tankers bringing oil to the new Topaz oil terminal just completed.

Despite many publicity blurbs being set out in local media to set the tone. There is no Local Area Plan or Masterplan in place to guide what might be done around the existing docks. Just a marina development and talk of a 25 storey apartment block, or two.

No architectural competition or City Council guidelines as to what might be considered appropriate. So many other cities have had major architectural conferences or design competitions. But not Galway. Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh and so many other port citys are engaging in urban regeneration projects. Even Cork and Waterford. All have public websites full of information about what they are doing. But not Galway. Where it seems that all is to happen behind closed doors.

A Vision group was set up 3 years ago, consisting of Galway Harbour Company, City Council manager, Bord Failte, Galway Chamber of Commerce and the Marine Institute. NOthing has emanated from this group and no plans published yet.

Any ideas welcomed.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:56 pm

Derrick Galway wrote:Galway had such a successful Volvo Ocean Race Festival at the dockland site. Does anyone out there have any opinions on what should be done with the 6 acre site where the oil tanks once stood, before they were torn down to accomodate the race village.

Galway Harbour Company is looking to sell off 32 acres of Brownfield land to development in order to pay for its Grand Master Plan. Which is, to relocate the Port outside the existing tidal harbour on land to be reclaimed from Galway Bay. 100 acres approx over 3 staged cycles taking 20 years. Oh. And a 1.4k pier out into the bay. The idea is to be able to reach deep enough water to accomodate cruise liners and larger tankers bringing oil to the new Topaz oil terminal just completed.

Despite many publicity blurbs being set out in local media to set the tone. There is no Local Area Plan or Masterplan in place to guide what might be done around the existing docks. Just a marina development and talk of a 25 storey apartment block, or two.

No architectural competition or City Council guidelines as to what might be considered appropriate. So many other cities have had major architectural conferences or design competitions. But not Galway. Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh and so many other port citys are engaging in urban regeneration projects. Even Cork and Waterford. All have public websites full of information about what they are doing. But not Galway. Where it seems that all is to happen behind closed doors.

A Vision group was set up 3 years ago, consisting of Galway Harbour Company, City Council manager, Bord Failte, Galway Chamber of Commerce and the Marine Institute. NOthing has emanated from this group and no plans published yet.

Any ideas welcomed.



Meh, i wouldn't hold your your breath,look through this thread and the developments in Galway thread http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4340 you might find something. There has been loads of different plans for ceannt station and the harbour area over the past 5 years,but with the recession and all that were just gonna have to wait and see what happens.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby viz » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Hi,

I think there should be a competition on the design of the building to replace the oil tankers recently removed from the docks. A competition is the only way to avoid repeating the already bad architectural developments that are in Galway city. Why not have a competition and have suggested designs put on to google earth where the existing site is already and lets include designers as well as architects in the competition.

I would like to ask a question CAN ARCHITECTS REALLY DESIGN? or are they simply good at engineering and mathematics. Should there be a role of designing a building in the initial phases for an 'architectural designer'.

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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Sybok » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:01 pm

I don't understand that last sentence. Are you trying to infer something?
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby reddy » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:58 am

viz wrote:I would like to ask a question CAN ARCHITECTS REALLY DESIGN? or are they simply good at engineering and mathematics. Should there be a role of designing a building in the initial phases for an 'architectural designer'.


What?
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:30 pm

Well they would want to be good at designing things, it is their job after all.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:49 am

Two interesting articles in the Galway independent today:

Harbour plans on target

Plans for the redevelopment of the Galway Harbour are "very much alive", according to Harbour Master Captain Brian Sheridan.

The ambitious €350 million plans were announced earlier this year and a series of studies must be completed before the scheme can go through the planning process.

Dismissing worries that the plans could be put on the back burner due to the current economic situation, Mr Sheridan said the Harbour Board hoped to have the relevant environmental impact statements, rail, traffic, egress and access plans completed in time for a planning lodgement in April 2010.

"We reviewed the plan because of current economic reasons, but it is still a goer. We have reassessed costs and tailored a new five-year plan. Originally we had a 20-year plan; we still have that but we are even more focused on the short term now," he said.

The first phase of the development will involve reclamation of lands, building a new quay wall, the development of an extended rail link, the provision of new fishing berths for the in-port fishermen and the development of a 177-berth marina.


Worldwide response to Docks competition

A competition to design an iconic building for the Galway Docks area has attracted significant international interest. The Ideas Competition for Centre Pier was launched last month by the Royal Institute of the Architects in Ireland, in association with Galway Harbour, calling for proposals for an iconic building for the Docks area.

Speaking to the Galway Independent yesterday, Carina O Neill of the RIAI said there had been huge interest in the competition from all over the globe.

"We have had 104 representations so far, and usually two thirds of these would translate to submissions, so that is a huge response considering the registration deadline isn't until 25 September. The enquiries have come from all over the world, with lots of different influences. We advertised the competition internationally with the UIA and have heard from architects worldwide. There has also been a good local response and people seem to find the fact that the site is outside Dublin appealing. We are delighted with the way it's going so far."

The competition is divided into two categories, one for established architects and one for graduates and students. The building should reflect Galway's importance as a maritime and cultural city and offer a clear image and potential branding for the city of the Tribes. Competitors are asked to design a building, which incorporates a public stage, exhibition area, retail space, marina facilities, tourist information kiosk and commercial offices.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Derrick Galway » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:36 pm

Just logged in after several months absense and, was quite amazed at the level of ignorance about recent developments in Galway.

Firstly. The new coach station, while on the face of it quite well done, is not in the location recommended in Buchanan's 2001 Land Use & Transport Study. The new bus station was supposed to be built where the ill fated Habitat now is. Right next to the Ceannt Station bus terminus. It is also too shallow as busses are finding it too easy to tip the end wall. It is also unfinished (so I was told).

As for the major redevelopment of Ceannt Station itself. That is said to be ready for submission to ABP under the Crtical Infrastructure Act, this year? But will face major objections if the twin tower blocks go to 16 storeys and too much retail is included. Its a transport hub not a shopping centre!

The Harbour Company's proposed plan is also about to be submitted. Though there seems little hope that it will recieve an easy ride. Far too many environmental problems and Galway Bay is too shallow anyway to receive large cruise liners. Also, there is no economic justification for any new port since Foynes is just down the newly opened motorway (when the bit between Gort and Galway gets built).

The port plan should concentrate on redeveloping its existing footprint with residential, some retail and marine leisure facilities, also several cultural and arts facilities as promised. The Centre Pier architectural competition was interesting but inlikely to see any building. The competition, originally proposed by An Taisce was for a competition for ideas on the overall Station/Docks Local Area Plan. Which is also being called for by the DoE's Spatial Planning Unit.

So from being too greedy for major developments, Galway may end up getting nothing and that is not what I would want to see.

By the way. Galway City Council failed in its last bid to government, for money to see the rail line to Athenry twin tracked. I think the estimated cost was 110 millions.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby BTH » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:36 pm

Derrick Galway wrote:Firstly. The new coach station, while on the face of it quite well done, is not in the location recommended in Buchanan's 2001 Land Use & Transport Study. The new bus station was supposed to be built where the ill fated Habitat now is. Right next to the Ceannt Station bus terminus. It is also too shallow as busses are finding it too easy to tip the end wall. It is also unfinished (so I was told).


The proposed bus station is earmarked for it's current site, also encompassing lands further towards Lough Atalia to create a proper stopping/turning area and internal concourse integrated with the railway station. The Main entrance to the Railway station is intended to move to the other side of the Meyrick Hotel (formerly Great Southern) via the new multi level mall planned as part of the wider Ceannt Station redevelopment. When all of this will happen is anyone's guess but Gerry Barrett's Edward holdings has been named as the preferred developer for the entire scheme (and Douglas Wallace have miraculously resurrected as DW2 architects no doubt because of this).

See the following for the sketch plans presented by CIE in 2008: http://www.cie.ie/projects/open_days_boards.pdf particularly page 12 of the PDF which shows the proposed bus station.

The Coach Station you refer to is a completely separate development provided by Galway City Council to house private coach operators such as Citylink & Gobus as well as tour buses etc. It is true that it seems to be extremely tightly designed with many buses belonging to the above mentioned companies displaying scratched and broken wing mirrors due to the closely spaced pillars between individual bus bays. Despite this it's a good addition to the city and provides an invaluable facility to the ever increasing numbers using private coach services instead of Bus Eireann.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby shiloh » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:16 pm

Derrick Galway:

You raise a number of issues in your post, all of which would seem to be coloured by your involvement in the local association of An Taisce.

There is a dire need for retail space in Galway City. That is workable retail space. Recent arguments you have made in your letters and comments by some local Councillors, decry the amount of empty retail space in the City Centre. These are simply wrong. The reason there would seem to be so many empty retail units in the City Centre is that they are not workable for contemporary retailers.They ideally look for big boxes and clear floor plates. Yourself and your friends in the Council's heritage department, have made it virtually impossible to do anything to fulfil these needs, as you lob in observation and objection ad infinitum. Having worked on Taffees in a previous incarnation, I have to say it was not your finest moment! The City Centre has been listed to the nines and nothing can be done at all to fulfil the needs of contemporary retailers. The development of the Station lands while not ideal does allow for bigger boxes for large retailers to operate. While the design could be reworked, it will underpin the City Centre as the primary focus for retail and end the leakage to the suburbs or other towns.

As for the Harbour development, total madness so keep up the objections...
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby galwayrush » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:53 pm

Derrick Galway wrote:Just logged in after several months absense and, was quite amazed at the level of ignorance about recent developments in Galway.

snip.


Ignorant?:confused:, because they don't completely agree with you? :rolleyes:
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