How well do you know Dublin?

Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Global Citizen » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:16 pm

GrahamH wrote:The limestone pediment is clearly a flourish atop a Victorian commercial building of some kind, with a large limestone chimney stack to the rear - Lower Grafton Street or somesuch.


Not quit commercial and not quite right with the location (almost):rolleyes: but I have to allow it.
Well done again Graham.

This is actually one of my favourite buildings in Dublin.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Global Citizen » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:42 pm

photopol wrote:Gunter
I'm a great one for procedures myself. Alternative is anarchy.

How do I know when a new set can be started? I guess I was a bit overenthusiastic, trying to figure out the mechanics of the site and flying through past posts checking what had already been covered.
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The floor is all yours now Photopol.:)
I'd hate to see an outbreak of anarchy here:eek:
And welcome to the forum.

Oh by the way, I reckon your second image is the top of the onion tower in The Liberties.
AKA St Patricks Tower. A very idiosyncratic building. I love it. There is something endearingly questionable about Dublin's love of chimneys. Nobody wants Poolbeg knocked down. Smithfield is (or was) a viewing platform. And this onion tower is one of the best loved structures in the city.

I hope I'm right now:confused:
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:03 pm

Global Citizen

The tat is absolutely incredible. I couldn't believe it when I saw the photo. I remember Hume St. and Green Properties in the late 60s. How did this happen? Where are the students?

Are we talking brown envelope or pig ignorance here?
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:06 pm

Global Citizen

I'm not familiar with the term onion tower. Can you specify?
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:18 pm

Global Citizen

Thanks for the welcome. This seems a great forum. I'm diving in the shallow end with the know your Dublin which is fascinating. I have lived all my life in Dublin. Schooling and professional career in centre city. But, now that I am retired, I am only starting to notice my surroundings. Which, I see, are disappearing faster than I can notice them. Or which I notice are disappearing faster than I can see them. Or whatever.

I have been following the Liberties regeneration, as one branch of my folks are from the Mount Brown/Fountain end of James's St. I have also been following Theresa's Gardens, due to the location of another branch, and Fatima and Dolphin House for yet another branch. All very depressing. Repeated breach of faith with the residents and abuse of power and patronising of the residents. Must have broken the hearts of the few officials who cared. End of rant.

Anyway, look forward to participating in this great forum.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Global Citizen » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:05 pm

photopol wrote:Global Citizen

I'm not familiar with the term onion tower. Can you specify?


This windmill...
I mistakenly referred to it as a chimney earlier.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:39 pm

Global Citizen bang on for [X]. It's the sock windmill

For the record, here are the contexts:


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Freaky Face [V] above a doorway on the West side of James's Harbour

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To the best of my recollection, it's just to the right of where I was standing when I took this.

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Bishop weathervane [X] on top of the sock windmill:

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City crest [Z] over the Gilbert library in Pearse St. This crest is unique to this location.
A quick inspection of the latin motto will show you why.

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And that only leaves the Crown [Y]. And just a reminder that it is within the canals.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Andrew Duffy » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:35 am

Global Citizen wrote:Well done Graham.

I only saw it for the first time last Saturday when I took these photos and its presence in such a beautiful street fills me with a mixture of anger and disappointment. Its a piece of vandalism that wouldn't be allowed in the suburbs of Calcutta. Yet our planners deem it appropriate in an overtly visible location in the georgian core of Dublin. How the hell.........? I'm straying a bit off topic here. But looking at the photo below, most people will understand why.
Anyway - A rant for another thread perhaps.


You know Harcourt Street is predominantly pastiche and facade retentions, yes?

Edit - that infill is still rubbish regardless.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Global Citizen » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:54 pm

Andrew Duffy wrote:You know Harcourt Street is predominantly pastiche and facade retentions, yes?
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Yes, and in this case a pastiche would have been far more agreeable than the resulting disaster.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby GrahamH » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:28 am

photopol, those are just marvellous photographs you have on your website. You've a great eye. Well worth a look everyone! http://www.photopol.com/gallery/fgallery.html

So, we have the crown yet to be identified. The white surround is baffling.

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We also have this chappie in limbo, who is at human height on the street.

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And if I might add another from Charles W. Cushman, dated to June 1961. Any ideas as to its whereabouts? Not a word photopol! ;)

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The corner building is oddly like a miniature version of Thomas Read's rounding the Cork Hill and Parliament Street junction.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:45 am

GrahamH

Thanks for the compliment re the photos.

I think I am (unintentionally) misleading people on the crown. That is not meant to be a white surround. It was originally meant to be a transparent background. It should have been a png rather than a jpeg. I confined the item to a circle just to make it more difficult. But by way of reparation I will give a full rectangle which will give you an enormous clue. But it is still within the canals.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Andrew Duffy » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:29 pm

The crown is on the old power supply unit on the transition between Fenian Street and Grand Canal Street. I looked at it a few days ago, but needed to see the surrounding writing to recognise it.

Is the Elvery's building on Aungier Street? It's annoyingly familiar.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby goneill » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:35 pm

John W Elvery + Co waterproofers and sports outfitters at 65/66 Dawson Street/corner Nassau Street?
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Andrew Duffy » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:45 pm

goneill wrote:John W Elvery + Co waterproofers and sports outfitters at 65/66 Dawson Street/corner Nassau Street?


If it is, it was demolished by Norwich Union a short period later:

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=swqf29ggbndd&scene=29506597&lvl=2&sty=b

The corner is addressed the same way.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:46 pm

Andrew Duffy wrote:The crown is on the old power supply unit on the transition between Fenian Street and Grand Canal Street. I looked at it a few days ago, but needed to see the surrounding writing to recognise it.


Bang on Andrew. On the corner of Upr. Erne St. and Hogan Place.
That's the Stork shop on the corner of Holles St. on the other side of the road.

I'm bust. Over to the next contributor. Thanks for the fun.:D
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby Global Citizen » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:30 pm

GrahamH wrote:Anyone care to guess where this curious little chappie resides?

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He's in the city centre, and most unusually, the only animal carving on the entire dressed stone building.


This one is driving me nuts.
I still think its in the Lower O'Connoll St / Westmoreland St area.
Possibly over an ATM machine or somesuch ????????????
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby gunter » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:39 pm

Granite, Portland stone and sandstone in one building . . . . . is it the building on the corner of Dame St. and Fownes St.?
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby KerryBog2 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:55 pm

photopol wrote:GrahamH

I think I am (unintentionally) misleading people on the crown. That is not meant to be a white surround...................


Interesting local history in that nameplate. Without wishing to be pedantic, it's not a crown, it is a coronet, that of an earl, probably Pembroke. An earl's coronet has eight strawberry leaves (four visible) and eight silver balls (or pearls) around the rim (five visible).

FWIW one of the Pembrokes was known as the "Architect Earl" (early 1700's) because he was responsible for the building of Westminster Bridge.

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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:36 pm

KerryBog2 wrote: Without wishing to be pedantic, it's not a crown, it is a coronet, that of an earl, probably Pembroke.
Take your point and it does stitch it in historically. I was using the term loosely without any expertise.

From a colonial point of view it is a neat subset. :)

Is trilocation Kerry, Dublin, Europe, or, Kerry, Dublin, USA, or, Parish, Kerry, Dublin? Just wondering. Following up my family history at the moment and getting very local in the process. My Kerry connection is Caherboshinna (between Ventry and Dingle).

An ní is annamh is iontach. The rare thing is a wonder to behold.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby KerryBog2 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:57 pm

photopol wrote:Is trilocation Kerry, Dublin, Europe, or, Kerry, Dublin, USA, or, Parish, Kerry, Dublin? Just wondering.
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It started as Dublin, Kerry and US, then mutated to Dublin, Kerry and wherever I find myself on a work project. I'm a blow-in Kerryman, no Kerry blood on the male side back to 1470. Good luck with the genealogy, it's a drug.
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PS Loved your old photos. The Vampires in the fly-past; Ballybrack/Killiney; often went into Decco's Cave at Whiterock - there is another one up the cliff at the Ramparts.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:48 pm

KerryBog2

Thanks.

There's an actual Vampire hanging out of the ceiling in the museum in Collins Barracks. When I saw it I said to the guy, that's a Vampire. And then I saw the label, this is a Vampire. A bit embarrassed but thrilled nonetheless.

Decco's has been opened up to potholers as far as I can make out. Tread carefully, it's a mobile phone dead area, no surprise. Not familiar with the ramparts version. Where is that? I know the cave/tunnel came out somewhere up Killiney Hill.

Ballybrack/Killiney is a fabulous area for history. I stumbled into it by accident (basically, living there).

From an architectural/archeological/genealogical point of view this should be of interest.

Having a ball.

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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby photopol » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:55 pm

KerryBog2

We're not talking Fexco here are we?
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby GrahamH » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:54 pm

goneill wrote:John W Elvery + Co waterproofers and sports outfitters at 65/66 Dawson Street/corner Nassau Street?


Spot on goneill! The replacement building (which coincidentally has also featured on this thread) employed a chamfered corner too. How this part of Nassau Street and Dawson Street has changed...

gunter, correct on the Fownes Street corner building: the former Crown Life offices by Thomas Newenham Deane. I should have trusted my initial judgement and left that darn sandstone course out!

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A curious, idiosyncratic little chap - the only carved animal on the entire building.
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby gunter » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:10 pm

but he's there for a purpose . . . . . to kick out the flat banded stonework on the left to form a slightly projected drip detail to the continuous window cill on the right
. . . . . very clever stuff :)
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Re: How well do you know Dublin?

Postby KerryBog2 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:30 pm

photopol wrote:KerryBog2

Decco's has been opened up to potholers ........... I know the cave/tunnel came out somewhere up Killiney Hill. .........Not familiar with the ramparts version. Where is that?...........From an architectural/archeological/genealogical point of view this should be of interest.

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Photopol,
Thanks for the link to that Martello Tower site – we had a discussion here on them a year or so ago. I have watched the renovation of Tower No 7 when passing on Killiney Hill Road. V.nice to see the photos. The cannon mounting is very interesting, an amalgamation of the slide of a carronade with the breeching of a long gun. I would prefer to see covers on the trunnions before I would fire it shotted! Looks smaller than the usual 26 pounder.

As a kid I lived out that way and always understood that the Whiterock cave, Decco’s , is an old lead & silver mine dating to the mid 1700’s. Decco was an old sailor who lived in it for years, back around 1900. It does not go in very far, about 40 feet or so is my memory, and certainly not onto K Hill; sometimes we could go no further than 15 feet as it was silted up by sand/storm debris. A spring runs through it, so that clears it, often leaving a bank on one side and a long, deep pool on the left as you enter. Caving gear necessary!

There were other mines in Dalkey and also a “gold rush” in the 1830’s. I’ve always associated the latter with the cave/tunnel at Loreto Convent which is not very long though as kids we believed it went out to Dalkey Island. The Ramparts is what locals call the Vico Gentlemens’ Bathing Place.
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PS not Fexco.
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