Academy St Development

Re: Academy St Development

Postby Peter Fitz » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:37 pm

Cliff Barnes wrote:Merchant Quay has a good few empty units allready.

Time to re-develop that awful mall and Quay facade ?


Yes ! Not likely though ?
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby Radioactiveman » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:42 pm

Peter Fitz wrote:Yes ! Not likely though ?


This isn't really the thread for it, but remember Dunnes may not want to stay put in MQ given their new store on Patrick Street. There was talk a few years back of putting another floor on. Perhaps now is the time for a major re-furb. Remember, the place was built in the midst of the last recession, so its not like OCP don't have the nerve.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby Radioactiveman » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:23 am

http://www.operalane.com

http://www.operaavenue.ie


The website for this development is now up and running. Some nice images, virtual walk-throughs, etc. for perusing.

A number of (relatively) minor points still trouble me:

1. The website mentions both Opera Lane and Faulkner's Lane and in one of the onscreen maps refers to the lane itself as Opera Lane. Can we get this clear? There is no such street in Cork City as Opera Lane. Call the buildings what you want but leave the street names alone.

2. When the former Examiner Facade to Patrick Street was demolished to make way for the glazed structure, the planning permission required the distinctive doorway was to be retained for future use ON-SITE. When/where is this going to happen?

3. Finally (and longtime readers of the Cork threads will, like me, be feeling a sense of Deja Vu) where is the Echo-boy? He used to be at the top of Faulkner's Lane. Presumably he is to be re-instated?
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby Cliff Barnes » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:03 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:This isn't really the thread for it, but remember Dunnes may not want to stay put in MQ given their new store on Patrick Street. There was talk a few years back of putting another floor on. Perhaps now is the time for a major re-furb. Remember, the place was built in the midst of the last recession, so its not like OCP don't have the nerve.


Do we need 4+ lanes of traffic on Patricks Quay going into 1 lane on a mostly pedestrianised Patrick Street now that the centre core is bypassed ?

Give 2 lanes back to the developer to extend centre to original footprint of original buildings ?

New facade and extra floor space for larger units is possible.

Its dying a slow death on the mall side and with Opera Avenue etc thats wher the footfall is going to be.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby jungle » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:20 pm

Upstairs in Merchant's Quay is like a ghost town.

I'll go back to what I've said before, but there aren't enough cinema screens in the city centre and upstairs in an underused shopping centre is not a bad place to put one. Regardless of whether it's a cinema or not, in general an entertainment rather than retail use might be a better idea.

Although, ideally, it would be ripped apart and the river frontage rebuilt.

I'm not a fan of the pastiche frontage onto Pana, but it's not hugely offensive. The same can't be said for the frontage on the river side.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby bosco » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:09 am

Cliff Barnes wrote:Do we need 4+ lanes of traffic on Patricks Quay going into 1 lane on a mostly pedestrianised Patrick Street now that the centre core is bypassed ?

Give 2 lanes back to the developer to extend centre to original footprint of original buildings ?

New facade and extra floor space for larger units is possible.

Its dying a slow death on the mall side and with Opera Avenue etc thats wher the footfall is going to be.


That's a nice idea in theory, but just not practical with the current traffic flow in the city. The inside lane is used primarily for waiting buses, and set down for cars and cabs outside the MQ entrance. Next two lanes are for north and west-bound traffic, continuing down the quays or turning onto Patricks bridge. The current street layout leaves only a few route options for any traffic heading north.

As for the centre core being bypassed, it doesn't work that simply alas. If you try to go from the city centre to anywhere north, you pretty much have to cross either Christy Ring bridge, the North Gate bridge or Patricks bridge. Our narrow streets and bridges have limited capacity and any given afternoon/evening in Cork you'll see traffic backed down the quays waiting to cross the river.

I've spent probably hours of my life stuck in traffic on the quays, or on Parnell place waiting to get through the lights, only for traffic to fail to budge for several successive light changes. I'd be totally against reducing any capacity on the quays until some real remedial measures are taken to improve traffic flow and access.

Any idea would the following work?
  • Reorganise traffic lanes between the South Mall, Parnell place, Lapps Quay and Albert Quay to alter priority for northbound traffic out of the city towards the eastern bridges
  • Put a single west-bound contra-flow bus lane on south mall
  • Replace the chicane outside Argos with a bus gate
  • Use the current laneway between Bridewell and Phillips site as a bus priority lane,
  • extend right up to the North Gate bridge. Move traffic lanes away from river, using the crappy bit of tarmac (loading area) outside North Main street centre; widen quayside footpaths.
  • Better traffic management and enforcement on Shandon street would allow northbound city busses to use this route, thus freeing up capacity on the central quays and allowing for a reduction in lanes and a more pleasant street frontage.


That's just a top-of-my head idea, and no doubt there are plenty of flaws I haven't thought of. How about a new thread to discuss ways to improve the city's traffic flow and streetscape? Or is this too much of a tangent from architecture?
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby Cliff Barnes » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:39 pm

bosco wrote:That's a nice idea in theory, but just not practical with the current traffic flow in the city. The inside lane is used primarily for waiting buses, and set down for cars and cabs outside the MQ entrance. Next two lanes are for north and west-bound traffic, continuing down the quays or turning onto Patricks bridge. The current street layout leaves only a few route options for any traffic heading north.

As for the centre core being bypassed, it doesn't work that simply alas. If you try to go from the city centre to anywhere north, you pretty much have to cross either Christy Ring bridge, the North Gate bridge or Patricks bridge. Our narrow streets and bridges have limited capacity and any given afternoon/evening in Cork you'll see traffic backed down the quays waiting to cross the river.

I've spent probably hours of my life stuck in traffic on the quays, or on Parnell place waiting to get through the lights, only for traffic to fail to budge for several successive light changes. I'd be totally against reducing any capacity on the quays until some real remedial measures are taken to improve traffic flow and access.

Any idea would the following work?
  • Reorganise traffic lanes between the South Mall, Parnell place, Lapps Quay and Albert Quay to alter priority for northbound traffic out of the city towards the eastern bridges
  • Put a single west-bound contra-flow bus lane on south mall
  • Replace the chicane outside Argos with a bus gate
  • Use the current laneway between Bridewell and Phillips site as a bus priority lane,
  • extend right up to the North Gate bridge. Move traffic lanes away from river, using the crappy bit of tarmac (loading area) outside North Main street centre; widen quayside footpaths.
  • Better traffic management and enforcement on Shandon street would allow northbound city busses to use this route, thus freeing up capacity on the central quays and allowing for a reduction in lanes and a more pleasant street frontage.

That's just a top-of-my head idea, and no doubt there are plenty of flaws I haven't thought of. How about a new thread to discuss ways to improve the city's traffic flow and streetscape? Or is this too much of a tangent from architecture?


It worked fine for hundreds of years with 2 lanes and we even even had a tram system then.

Traffic should adapt to the city not the other way around.

The original footprint and vertical emphasis of the previous merchants quay grew organically and it worked until the whole lot was bought by a developer and left go to ruin which slowly but surely will ironically happen with M.Q.S.C. as more fashionable new centres open up.

Why do we have "waiting" buses in the first place taking up space,burning fuel ineffeciently and poisoning the public ?

The buses shoud keep moving.

Merchants Quay with its traffic dominated streetscape and awful waste that is the quay itself.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby Radioactiveman » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:52 pm

Radioactiveman wrote:
3. Finally (and longtime readers of the Cork threads will, like me, be feeling a sense of Deja Vu) where is the Echo-boy? He used to be at the top of Faulkner's Lane. Presumably he is to be re-instated?


Good to see that the Echoboy statue has been reinstated on Patrick Street.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby Pug » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:59 am

GAP are taking 10,000 sq ft at Academy St
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby bosco » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:18 pm

Was this officially opened today?

Developer 'treated badly' by NAMA
Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:05

Property developer Owen O'Callaghan has said he and other developers have been treated very badly in the establishment of the National Asset Management Agency.

Owen O'Callaghan, who developed the Liffey Valley Shopping Centre in Dublin, Mahon Point in Cork, and Arthur's Quay in Limerick, said all of his loans were performing and there was absolutely no reason for him to have anything to do with NAMA.

However, he said, he and his company were being dragged into NAMA and were being given no say in the matter.

Mr O'Callaghan - one of the country's biggest commercial and retail property developers - said he was kept in the dark on NAMA's establishment and he felt he was being treated very badly.

He said he would much prefer to be left alone and have nothing to do with NAMA.

The developer was speaking in Cork at the opening of a new city centre development, Opera Lane, which covers 200,000sq.ft of retail space and which he valued at €500m.

He said the retailers locating in Opera Lane will employ more than 1,200 people.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby jungle » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:03 am

I think H&M opened.

Not sure about the rest of the development.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby tomk » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:20 am

It was on the RTE 9 o'clock news last night - the main focus was on O'Callaghan's feelings about been unfairly treated by NAMA. It mentioned that H&M had opened. Other outlets looked like they were still in fitting out or reserved stage. The aerial views of the development looked really impressive.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby who_me » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:26 pm

H & M are open, Gap and Next are on the way (Next in mid-November, IIRC).

I believe the corner units (Faulkner's Lane & Patrick St.) are reserved. I've heard vague, rumours that Apple are opening a store in the city centre; one of those units would seem ideal for that purpose (purely speculative!!).

Pity Faulkner's Lane is now the dullest street in the city centre. Two dull, similarly styled shopping blocks running the length of the street. No attempt to have cafes/restaurants/bars to bring a bit of buzz to the lane; or any trees, lamps flower beds anything to provide a little variety. Disappointing.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby barneymagee » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:21 am

The Evening Echo says that Apple are in advanced talks with Owen O'Callaghan to open a shop in Opera Lane. I think they might be taking the premises on the corner of Opera Lane and Patrick's St next to the EBS. don't know when they might open though.
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby who_me » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:21 pm

Interesting confirmation about Apple!

Incidentally, I just read now on the ever-reliable (cough) peoplesrepublicofcork.com that the lane is being renamed to "Opera Avenue". Puke. Still, nice to think the recession hasn't stopped our representatives bending to the will of developers...

And also that the right of way is being extinguished - though from the wording on that site, it might just be that it's being made one - way, from Patrick St. to Emmet Place. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby green_jesus » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:46 pm

'Opera Avenue' was the original name of the development then it was changed to the less yuppie sounding 'Opera Lane'.

I was reading in yesterdays Evening Echo that the council have voted narrowly in favour of renaming Faulkner's Lane to Opera Lane (to promote the Opera house) but a commemorative plaque will be erected that will give reference to the original street name. (Whatever that means)

It's a shame really Faulkner's Lane sounded way cooler. :cool:

EDIT: Crude photo showing headline. (The best I can do with my camera phone)
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby who_me » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:33 pm

Thanks green jesus. (Never thought I'd be saying that sentence..)

Contrived names for the purposes of making developments never sound more trendy and up-market are rarely as interesting as the names which are set over time, reflecting something of the area's history.

I noticed the Patrick St. end is now blocked off for traffic, I assume that's what the right-of-way announcement was related to?

Either it's very late on a Friday, or your camera phone isn't the best ;) but there is a story about talks on Pairc Ui Chaoimh too, do you know what those were about?
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby JacobsSlave » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:47 pm

Worked on this development, in reference to a previos post, the windows above the decorative corball on the mosaic building are indeed new (new stair core to the aprtments now resides behing this facade, utilising the view thro these fantastic windows for every day use by residents, rather than just service stairs)..

The lane way between OCP dev and Dunnes had to be utilised mainly as a service street, given the space required for a car lift, the two sub stations required by the esb took up alot of retail frontage, plus allowances for access to switch rooms at -1 level, escape access for gentlemans quarters, access to the management suites, it just didnt leave much space for main retail frontage... Given the clutter of allocated service space, this strret looks very presentable. Having widened Faulkerers Lane.. aka Opera Avenue/Lane, (City Councillors get final approval on changing an existing street name), the widening of this lane was never financially feasable.

Its looking well..
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Re: Academy St Development

Postby barneymagee » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:18 pm

who_me wrote: but there is a story about talks on Pairc Ui Chaoimh too, do you know what those were about?


It said the City Manager would meet with the Cork County GAA Board to discuss their plans to redevelop Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
The GAA say it is a major priority for them to proceed with it but no dates have been given for when applications will be lodged etc.
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