Liberty Hall redevelopment

Should Liberty Hall Be Listed?

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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby missarchi » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:20 am

these play house guys seem like scanner fans...;)
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby Paul Clerkin » Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:50 pm

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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby aj » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:16 pm

that looks like f all squared to me...
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby shadow » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:41 pm

oh dear, all that waiting.... Not inspiring so far. Maybe more detail will follow..
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby LOB » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:24 pm

If I was a betting man I would say it will be granted by DCC and shot down by An Bord Pleanala.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby cgcsb » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:42 pm

If the tara street redevelopment goes ahead, it could do wonders for the east city centre. Although playhouse has grown on me like some sort of parasitic fungus
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby Satrastar » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:46 pm

I think it would be wonderful if the Liberty Hall was demolished along with its immediate neighbour and the Irish Life buildings across the road, and replaced with (comparatively low rise) some really original pieces of architecture.

It would also be great if SIPTU went out of existence.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby publicrealm » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:28 pm

Paul Clerkin wrote:New Liberty Hall unveiled
http://two.archiseek.com/archives/7075


the current building is far nicer - and should be a protected structure imho.

I agree that DCC will probably grant and ABP overturn (hopefully).
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby missarchi » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:00 pm

I had a feeling this was on the cards a week after a decision on the site across the river.
I thought the emphasis would be in the facades not form.
Sticking with a plain box would have been the best option.
I can't tell Wether this is now 3 buildings or 1 it does have a Lloyd's feel about it which is ironic?
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby weehamster » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:20 pm

And yet another fine example that most Irish architects do not have any imagination :cool:
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BTW, I bet you this wont get permission because of the extra 24m, not beside the customs ;)
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby Landarch » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:32 pm

I saw a previous proposal for the Liberty Hall site by Gilroy McMahon and it was alot more imaginative. It was made up of 2 curved undulating profiles.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby archipig » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:44 pm

That is bloody awful. I cant believe this is the best they could do. And I had to listen to the complete shite that some lad from siptu was using to describe the reasoning for going ahead with this redevelopment, he was describing it as a sign of confidence in the economy.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby missarchi » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:30 am

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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby missarchi » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:27 am

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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby gunter » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:03 am

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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby tba » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:51 am

Jesus the new one is a hodgepodge of random geometries, heights, textures and materials, far inferior to the current one which should just be re clad imho.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby thebig C » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:57 am

I think the design is a little too square and boxy. We have come a long way in architectural technology, surely something more daring and origional could be built? I do however like the sound of the public elements such as the skydeck/cafe/exhibition space. The arrangement of the the ground floor areas also sounds interesting based on Frank MacDonalds description in the IT.

Personally I like the current Liberty Hall. I know, it doesn't work as office space any more. But as a mid-1960s structre it ain't that bad. Unfortunately it is thrown together with all the dross for the later 1960s and 1970s. I would demolish Hawkins House, Apollo House, O'Connell Bridge House and all of the 4/5 storey pastiche crap on Mount St before Liberty Hall!

Inevitably I think this will draw the ire of the anti hi-rise brigade, which oes exist despite what some posters say. They will see this as an opportuinity to erase a tall building from Dublin forever. I predict an avalanche of objections to ABP who are very ill disposed to anything which breaks parapit height or anything thats not squat and blocky! Either floors will be shaved off or it will be refused. When we could only get a handfull of multi storey buildings in the docklands where the skyline and Georgian Dublin are not considerations this new building within the "historic" core has little hope!

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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby wearnicehats » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:54 am

there is nothing more tedious than the obsession in this country of classifying any tall building with regard to its height in relation to Liberty Hall.

At least this proposal, if it goes ahead, will give any new proposed buildings another 24m to play with
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby dermot_trellis » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:15 am

It's fairly bland, isn't it, looks like an unfortunate compromise solution.. All that glazing with the presumable intention of making it invisible (seeing as the architect brings up "translucent" and "transparent") and the extra forms stuck onto it just seem arbitrary.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby lostexpectation » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:20 pm

what happened to shorter and fatter?

the only comment in the IT article is that the current liberty hall is not unique? what other liberty hall type buildings do we have?
and its not efficient, well customs house isn't efficient are we going to knock that.

check out the playhouse lights turned on from inside the building

http://playhouse.daft.ie/blog/how-it-works/

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good vid of the display in town http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ1G5j0SWgM
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby cajual » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:48 pm

weehamster wrote:And yet another fine example that most Irish architects do not have any imagination :cool:
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BTW, I bet you this wont get permission because of the extra 24m, not beside the customs ;)


how mundane :(
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby GregF » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:10 pm

weehamster wrote:And yet another fine example that most Irish architects do not have any imagination :cool:
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BTW, I bet you this wont get permission because of the extra 24m, not beside the customs ;)





True, but ah sure bless 'em....Bless 'em all. It's the best they can do.

The likes of this should only be expected. No Gherkins here.


In comparison, the original building is streamline and light with it's little funny hat that makes it kinda cute. The newer proposal is more blockier, bulkier, robust as if the original Liberty Hall grew up and put on a few stone in weight.

Still I suppose, it continues the role of the landmark here.

True, I bet the cranks will be crying about the height.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby lostexpectation » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:22 pm

is there real world built example of this type of building it looks like the point village tower
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby dc3 » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:30 pm

Oh dear.

I see that the Gravity Bar from the Guinness Hop Store takes a ride down the Liffey to perch on the top of this new scenic wonder.
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Re: Liberty Hall

Postby ac1976 » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:38 pm

dc3 wrote:Oh dear.

I see that the Gravity Bar from the Guinness Hop Store takes a ride down the Liffey to perch on the top of this new scenic wonder.


Thats gravity for you!
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