Cliff Barnes wrote:Merchant Quay has a good few empty units allready.
Time to re-develop that awful mall and Quay facade ?
Yes ! Not likely though ?
Peter Fitz wrote:Yes ! Not likely though ?
Radioactiveman wrote:This isn't really the thread for it, but remember Dunnes may not want to stay put in MQ given their new store on Patrick Street. There was talk a few years back of putting another floor on. Perhaps now is the time for a major re-furb. Remember, the place was built in the midst of the last recession, so its not like OCP don't have the nerve.
Cliff Barnes wrote:Do we need 4+ lanes of traffic on Patricks Quay going into 1 lane on a mostly pedestrianised Patrick Street now that the centre core is bypassed ?
Give 2 lanes back to the developer to extend centre to original footprint of original buildings ?
New facade and extra floor space for larger units is possible.
Its dying a slow death on the mall side and with Opera Avenue etc thats wher the footfall is going to be.
bosco wrote:That's a nice idea in theory, but just not practical with the current traffic flow in the city. The inside lane is used primarily for waiting buses, and set down for cars and cabs outside the MQ entrance. Next two lanes are for north and west-bound traffic, continuing down the quays or turning onto Patricks bridge. The current street layout leaves only a few route options for any traffic heading north.
As for the centre core being bypassed, it doesn't work that simply alas. If you try to go from the city centre to anywhere north, you pretty much have to cross either Christy Ring bridge, the North Gate bridge or Patricks bridge. Our narrow streets and bridges have limited capacity and any given afternoon/evening in Cork you'll see traffic backed down the quays waiting to cross the river.
I've spent probably hours of my life stuck in traffic on the quays, or on Parnell place waiting to get through the lights, only for traffic to fail to budge for several successive light changes. I'd be totally against reducing any capacity on the quays until some real remedial measures are taken to improve traffic flow and access.
Any idea would the following work?
- Reorganise traffic lanes between the South Mall, Parnell place, Lapps Quay and Albert Quay to alter priority for northbound traffic out of the city towards the eastern bridges
- Put a single west-bound contra-flow bus lane on south mall
- Replace the chicane outside Argos with a bus gate
- Use the current laneway between Bridewell and Phillips site as a bus priority lane,
- extend right up to the North Gate bridge. Move traffic lanes away from river, using the crappy bit of tarmac (loading area) outside North Main street centre; widen quayside footpaths.
- Better traffic management and enforcement on Shandon street would allow northbound city busses to use this route, thus freeing up capacity on the central quays and allowing for a reduction in lanes and a more pleasant street frontage.
That's just a top-of-my head idea, and no doubt there are plenty of flaws I haven't thought of. How about a new thread to discuss ways to improve the city's traffic flow and streetscape? Or is this too much of a tangent from architecture?
3. Finally (and longtime readers of the Cork threads will, like me, be feeling a sense of Deja Vu) where is the Echo-boy? He used to be at the top of Faulkner's Lane. Presumably he is to be re-instated?
Developer 'treated badly' by NAMA
Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:05
Property developer Owen O'Callaghan has said he and other developers have been treated very badly in the establishment of the National Asset Management Agency.
Owen O'Callaghan, who developed the Liffey Valley Shopping Centre in Dublin, Mahon Point in Cork, and Arthur's Quay in Limerick, said all of his loans were performing and there was absolutely no reason for him to have anything to do with NAMA.
However, he said, he and his company were being dragged into NAMA and were being given no say in the matter.
Mr O'Callaghan - one of the country's biggest commercial and retail property developers - said he was kept in the dark on NAMA's establishment and he felt he was being treated very badly.
He said he would much prefer to be left alone and have nothing to do with NAMA.
The developer was speaking in Cork at the opening of a new city centre development, Opera Lane, which covers 200,000sq.ft of retail space and which he valued at €500m.
He said the retailers locating in Opera Lane will employ more than 1,200 people.
who_me wrote: but there is a story about talks on Pairc Ui Chaoimh too, do you know what those were about?